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Sev Alcatraz 657	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:51:00 - [1] - Quote Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2658	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:51:00 - [2] - Quote As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 42	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:56:00 - [3] - Quote F=ma Fundamental rule in Newtonian physics. By propelling the projectile forward you also propel the rifle backwards. Instead of gas you use magnetic flux.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18736	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:56:00 - [4] - Quote Do you have any clue how physics works? There is a mass being accelerated in one direction. This means that a force is being exerted on it. This, in turn, means that there is a reaction force in the other direction, i.e on the gun. You can't accelerate something in one direction without something accelerating in the other. That just doesn't work. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 820	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:57:00 - [5] - Quote Basic physics... One of the LAWS OF PHYSICS for fucks sake. How are there people that are so stupid? Swag-suit4lyfe!
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2189	Posted - 2014.11.06 06:59:00 - [6] - Quote Because magnetism is a magic thing, it wipes computers, it moves things without having to touch them(why i first thought they didn't have recoil) and finally MAGIC. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17626	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:01:00 - [7] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnoM3TwD0U IRL Railgun works on the same principals of sci-tech railguns. Notice the Recoil as it fires the 11kg shell. Also in thoery weaponized lasers have recoil as well. Now if you want to talk about where newtonian physics begins to fail. You should look up the E-Drive to which there is currently no scientific law that can explain it working. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3042	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:03:00 - [8] - Quote Isaac Newton wrote: First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force. Second law: F = ma The vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration vector a of the object. Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. Go back 2 school kiddo. :\| EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 821	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:06:00 - [9] - Quote Science experiment: Take one magnet, place it on a flat nonmetallic surface. Take another magnet, push the other magnet around with it. Notice how the magnet pushes back? ***** RECOIL! WHAT IS THIS ***** MAGIC! OMG! HOW CAN IT DO THAT, MAGNETS HAVE NO RECOIL! FIZZER MUST BE USING MAGIC! ALL THE RAILGUNS IVE EVER SEEN IN insert nonsensical SciFi media here DONT HAVE RECOIL, THEREFORE IT MUST BE THAT WAY IN THE REAL WORLD! OMG! Swag-suit4lyfe!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3396	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:09:00 - [10] - Quote newton's third law... http://evil-guide.tripod.com/

Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 178	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:16:00 - [11] - Quote Every actual has an equal and opposite reaction. Let me "educate" you
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 29	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:24:00 - [12] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 29	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:26:00 - [13] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: newton's third law... wrong, the rails both push and pull the projectile.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 29	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:27:00 - [14] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Science experiment: Take one magnet, place it on a flat nonmetallic surface. Take another magnet, push the other magnet around with it. Notice how the magnet pushes back? ***** RECOIL! WHAT IS THIS ***** MAGIC! OMG! HOW CAN IT DO THAT, MAGNETS HAVE NO RECOIL! FIZZER MUST BE USING MAGIC! ALL THE RAILGUNS IVE EVER SEEN IN insert nonsensical SciFi media here DONT HAVE RECOIL, THEREFORE IT MUST BE THAT WAY IN THE REAL WORLD! OMG! wrong
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1433	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:50:00 - [15] - Quote LOL = this thread. Poor kid. Learning something new can be embarrassing sometimes. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle. Que G.I. Joe theme song {:)}{3GÇó>
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:54:00 - [16] - Quote Real rail guns also over heat Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:56:00 - [17] - Quote Also rail guns in rl have a 2 stage barrel for? they are firing a metal missile at mach9 2.4 kilometers per second ..There is insane recoil also insane heat production ..If rr were realistic not only would it recoil drastically when hip fired it would overheat Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1433	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:57:00 - [18] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil. Low recoil and no recoil are two very different things, especially when you are accelerating an object to more than 3000 m/h in a fraction of a second. facepalm Are people really still tying to argue against this? {:)}{3GÇó>
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2014.11.06 07:58:00 - [19] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil. Yet when you watch it it does in fact have recoil significantly less than older projectile weapons sure but it's there Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 119	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:03:00 - [20] - Quote 1, I don't believe you... 2, Fizzer, you looked at other's comments and began to overreact, so thank for shutting up... 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) "We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."

sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 119	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:13:00 - [21] - Quote Slave of MORTE wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil. Yet when you watch it it does in fact have recoil significantly less than older projectile weapons sure but it's there and yet the AR has no recoil :p (little to no recoil I mean) "We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1433	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:18:00 - [22] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. {:)}{3GÇó>
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 31	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:33:00 - [23] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much.
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 119	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:35:00 - [24] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. But a bullet would! "We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 825	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:45:00 - [25] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: 1, I don't believe you... 2, Fizzer, you looked at other's comments and began to overreact, so thank for shutting up... 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) u wot m8 u lookin 4 a fite ill bash ye fookin ead in m8 I posted literally seconds after they posted! When I started writing, there were only 1 reply! I only overreacted, **********! I didn't see **! You don't know me! Swag-suit4lyfe!
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1433	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:45:00 - [26] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. Yes, in atmosphere, plasma would cool very quickly, but plasma also travels at roughly 3 million miles per hour. So, good bet that in 71 meter its probably still pretty ****ing hot. Also mass is not the important thing here temperature is. With a current upward limit, achievable by science, of around 100 million kelvin, the important part is how much energy a particle can impart when it impacts the atoms in your body. Its basically really tinny/fast moving fire. {:)}{3GÇó>
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1583	Posted - 2014.11.06 08:49:00 - [27] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. the weapon utilizes a magnetic field to fire a charge at extremely high velocity at a target. it first processes the charge and turns it into a ball of plasma, held together by a strong electromagnetic containment field. This ball is then accelerated out of the weapon by the same method as a railgun, but the containment field quickly dissipates once the ball leaves the barrel of the gun. the containment field dissipates before the high speed projectile has a chance to cool down. eve lore, deal with it.
Ryme Intrinseca 1962	Posted - 2014.11.06 10:05:00 - [28] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil Also, in real life: Low kick weapons are made full auto High kick weapons are made burst/semi auto In Dust: Low kick weapons are made burst/semi auto (CR, ScR) High kick weapons are made full auto (AR, RR)
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 573	Posted - 2014.11.06 10:37:00 - [29] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil Like Physic, Mechanic, Electrotech, Jurry Rigger and Tinker (slighly philosopher, Theosopher aswell) i can tell you it makes sence. If you shoot projectile what have some mass in really big speed, that mass react in law of conservation of energy. Ergo rail of two ends will responce with recoil equal to gauss line covered by projectile. Just check rail and gauss cannons on YT if you dont trust, how they are mounted "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13040	Posted - 2014.11.06 10:51:00 - [30] - Quote To anyone still arguing this, I would like to question your education. I could answer you why this is stupid from my 7th grade physics classes. Heck, I could tell something is fishy even before that, I just couldn't explain it. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

Jack Boost Zarena Family 495	Posted - 2014.11.06 11:52:00 - [31] - Quote Probably more arguments to consider: 1. Sci/Fi weapon can manage magnetic lense atached to ... planet ;) no weapon oneself... so planet not take to much kick 2. Sum of energy in 'closed box' is constans. Game 'physics' operate for sure in closed box. In Dust is box 5km wide and long ;) 3. If we can 'teleport' 100kg clone with full body armor and weapon at point size of small plate you can alse use your weapon like 'hose' for bulets made in hell of neautron star (where it can also kick/overheat/bounce etc freely) 4. CCP lav of physics is soon(tm) primary learning curse at Cambridge University. CU Not much time left...
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 622	Posted - 2014.11.06 12:21:00 - [32] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil This just in: Spaceships can not fly like jets either. Reason: CCP Boycott Black Thursday!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1366	Posted - 2014.11.06 13:38:00 - [33] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: LOL = this thread. Poor kid. Learning something new can be embarrassing sometimes. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle. Que G.I. Joe theme song G.I.Joe was my $h!t growing up as a child , Caldari reminds me of COBRA , having all the tec , weapons , and looking good and all and can't fight for $h!t .. always have me wondering , " What the frack are they doing .?. they have the joes dead and then they always find a way to screw it up . " Now I know the joes were wearing scout suits . How did Roadblock's big ass fit in that suit ? don't even want to think about it . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4448	Posted - 2014.11.06 13:48:00 - [34] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Isaac Newton wrote: First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force. Second law: F = ma The vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration vector a of the object. Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. Go back 2 school kiddo. :\| Whoa... Newton plays this game? Maybe he should have been on the CPM. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
jace silencerww Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2014.11.06 13:50:00 - [35] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction really? lol study up then. the rail guns use the same thing as the bullet trains. the "bullet" more like a bullet shaped piece of metal, is pulled forward "not pushed" by the electro magnets at very high speed with very little effect on the gun. no gun powder to create recoil. so no internal pressure.
jace silencerww Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2014.11.06 13:51:00 - [36] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. the weapon utilizes a magnetic field to fire a charge at extremely high velocity at a target. it first processes the charge and turns it into a ball of plasma, held together by a strong electromagnetic containment field. This ball is then accelerated out of the weapon by the same method as a railgun, but the containment field quickly dissipates once the ball leaves the barrel of the gun. the containment field dissipates before the high speed projectile has a chance to cool down. eve lore, deal with it. very well said.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5855	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:02:00 - [37] - Quote Newton's third law. All forces have action reaction pairs. If the shot is one agent and you consider the rifle the other agent then an equal force is exerted on both of them. Lore wise the rifle probably weighs enough that the force of gravity negates a lot of the recoil because if we assume the rifle travels directly back into the shooters shoulder then it would take the path of least resistance and go upwards. Or possibly the force is directed downwards like in the modern Vector SMG so the recoil of prolonged fire is not nearly as noted as would normally be registered because the force is eventually directed downwards somewhat negating a bit of the muzzle climb. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 174	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:30:00 - [38] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction Can you be my teacher? Don't F**K with Gamers Angry Joe style
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4559	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:36:00 - [39] - Quote I believe engineers play DUST to SHOOT ignorant people, not to educate them. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Jack Boost Zarena Family 495	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:39:00 - [40] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I believe engineers play DUST to SHOOT ignorant people, not to educate them. This is easiest way to reduce not educated ppl close to 0. Not much time left...

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4564	Posted - 2014.11.06 14:41:00 - [41] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I believe engineers play DUST to SHOOT ignorant people, not to educate them. This is easiest way to reduce not educated ppl close to 0. I agree! Shooting them IS the answer! Giving a lecture on how ballistics works while you do it earns bonus points! EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2679	Posted - 2014.11.06 15:42:00 - [42] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction really? lol study up then. the rail guns use the same thing as the bullet trains. the "bullet" more like a bullet shaped piece of metal, is pulled forward "not pushed" by the electro magnets at very high speed with very little effect on the gun. no gun powder to create recoil. so no internal pressure. Hey look, an easy to ready document: http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm "Repulsion: The current in each rail of a rail gun runs in opposite directions. This creates a repulsive force, proportional to the current, that attempts to push the rails apart. Because the currents in a rail gun are so large, the repulsion between the two rails is significant." "It would be more difficult to engineer small arm rail guns, mainly because of recoil. Recoil, the backward action of a firearm upon discharge, is determined by the momentum of the escaping projectile. Multiplying a projectile's mass by its velocity yields its momentum, which for high-velocity rail gun projectiles would be considerable. A portable rail gun that fires very small bullets may be the solution. A small bullet would limit recoil but still carry enough kinetic energy to inflict serious damage." "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Jack Boost Zarena Family 496	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:06:00 - [43] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Before this goes on any further, please provide a reasonable document explaining how a railgun would not have recoil nor exert substantial internal forces on itself creating mechanical and material stresses/pressure/repulsion/call-it-what-you-want, or citations on how to launch anything without recoil. Thank you for your time. Look there is creative solution from my prewious post: 1. Sci/Fi weapon can manage magnetic lense atached to ... planet ;) no weapon oneself... so planet not take to much kick .... 3. If we can 'teleport' 100kg clone with full body armor and weapon at point size of small plate you can alse use your weapon like 'hose' for bulets made in hell of neautron star (where it can also kick/overheat/bounce etc freely) All in picture of know psyhics rules :) 1. According to Pappus of Alexandria, Archimedes' work on levers caused him to remark: "Give me a place to stand on, and I will move the Earth." 3. portal know physics ;) with momentum Not much time left...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 212	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:34:00 - [44] - Quote The change was not enough the progression of the kick is so slow your target is dead long before it has any effect. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 268	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:40:00 - [45] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil Forces always act on each body involved in the interaction. So I think the Kick is higher the A) higher the velocity of the projectile and B) the more mass the projectile has. Am I wrong? The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 975	Posted - 2014.11.07 08:45:00 - [46] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil Rail rifles and recoil: why it makes perfect sense in a game Despite the explanations already made, even if it didn't make sense.... .....it would be OP without it. One of the things where the real-world would have to take second stage for the purposes of balance in a game. No science required :) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 301	Posted - 2014.11.07 12:48:00 - [47] - Quote You will have to forgive my canadian friend the OP, he is a farmer with many guns and not an engineer or physicist.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1638	Posted - 2014.11.07 12:57:00 - [48] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil this is dust not RL and if a RR had no recoil it would be the most OP weapon ever However there WOULD be Recail on rail tech as with a forward momentum there will always be a counter momentum Projectile being FORCED forward at huge speed via the magnets.. the counter action of magnets on the slug coudl try push the gun backward if the force exerted on the slug was greater then a spesific threshhold and limits of acceleration of the mass of the slug.. basically like fireing a 12gague slug slug goes forward and some of the backward kick is the explosive force between slug and barrel of gun because the slug cannot accelerate faster then the laws of physics. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2057	Posted - 2014.11.07 13:36:00 - [49] - Quote There is no escape from Newton's 3rd law of motion -- at least as far as we know at this time. Therefore any thing that exerts force and accelerates a mass will experience a force equal and opposite in direction. For rifles, this is the kick.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4453	Posted - 2014.11.07 15:03:00 - [50] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: jace silencerww wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction really? lol study up then. the rail guns use the same thing as the bullet trains. the "bullet" more like a bullet shaped piece of metal, is pulled forward "not pushed" by the electro magnets at very high speed with very little effect on the gun. no gun powder to create recoil. so no internal pressure. Hey look, an easy to read document: http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm "Repulsion: The current in each rail of a rail gun runs in opposite directions. This creates a repulsive force, proportional to the current, that attempts to push the rails apart. Because the currents in a rail gun are so large, the repulsion between the two rails is significant." "It would be more difficult to engineer small arm rail guns, mainly because of recoil. Recoil, the backward action of a firearm upon discharge, is determined by the momentum of the escaping projectile. Multiplying a projectile's mass by its velocity yields its momentum, which for high-velocity rail gun projectiles would be considerable. A portable rail gun that fires very small bullets may be the solution. A small bullet would limit recoil but still carry enough kinetic energy to inflict serious damage." Cannons have recoil, Catapults have recoil, lasers have recoil (Though admittedly rediculously small, every laser is pushing itself backwards, exerting a pressure on the target, and trying to spin every lens it goes through), bows have recoil and are a great example you can try out yourself that have no gunpower as you will feel the bow pushing against your arm back towards your body as you release the draw. There is no such thing as a free lunch in physics. You can push, or pull, and it will have consequences. Before this goes on any further, please provide a reasonable document explaining how a railgun would not have recoil nor exert substantial internal forces on itself creating mechanical and material stresses/pressure/repulsion/call-it-what-you-want, or citations on how to launch anything without recoil. Thank you for your time. It's hard being a scientist sometimes.... (The godfather of tactical logistics)

Vyuru Algintal Core Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2014.11.07 15:34:00 - [51] - Quote Quote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable (inconceivable) loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil So lemme ask ya something. If recoil is caused from the bolt retracting to pick up another round and firing again rapidly.... Muzzle loaders have no recoil? What about bolt action rifles? Ohhh, lever actions? How's about shotguns? Revolvers! I can't tell if this is a masterful troll thread or not. Now I need to find something like a bolt action elephant rifle that weighs 2 lbs for the OP to shoot, for ***** and giggles, and ya'know, no recoil.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17654	Posted - 2014.11.07 20:21:00 - [52] - Quote Vyuru wrote: Quote: Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much. A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable (inconceivable) loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil So lemme ask ya something. If recoil is caused from the bolt retracting to pick up another round and firing again rapidly.... Muzzle loaders have no recoil? What about bolt action rifles? Ohhh, lever actions? How's about shotguns? Revolvers! I can't tell if this is a masterful troll thread or not. Now I need to find something like a bolt action elephant rifle that weighs 2 lbs for the OP to shoot, for ***** and giggles, and ya'know, no recoil. breech loaders too! I mean if you breach loaded a weapon you already dealt with all the recoil right? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked


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