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Sev Alcatraz
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:51:00 -
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Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much.
A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2658
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:51:00 -
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As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another.
There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil.
Stop reading/watching bad science fiction
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Kensai Dragon
DUST University Ivy League
42
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:56:00 -
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F=ma Fundamental rule in Newtonian physics. By propelling the projectile forward you also propel the rifle backwards. Instead of gas you use magnetic flux. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
18736
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:56:00 -
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Do you have any clue how physics works?
There is a mass being accelerated in one direction. This means that a force is being exerted on it. This, in turn, means that there is a reaction force in the other direction, i.e on the gun.
You can't accelerate something in one direction without something accelerating in the other. That just doesn't work.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
820
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:57:00 -
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Basic physics... One of the LAWS OF PHYSICS for fucks sake. How are there people that are so stupid?
Swag-suit4lyfe!
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Lynn Beck
Delta Vanguard 6
2189
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Posted - 2014.11.06 06:59:00 -
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Because magnetism is a magic thing, it wipes computers, it moves things without having to touch them(why i first thought they didn't have recoil) and finally MAGIC.
General John Ripper
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17626
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:01:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBnoM3TwD0U
IRL Railgun works on the same principals of sci-tech railguns.
Notice the Recoil as it fires the 11kg shell.
Also in thoery weaponized lasers have recoil as well.
Now if you want to talk about where newtonian physics begins to fail.
You should look up the E-Drive to which there is currently no scientific law that can explain it working.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Spectral Clone
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3042
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:03:00 -
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Isaac Newton wrote:First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force.
Second law: F = ma The vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration vector a of the object.
Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.
Go back 2 school kiddo. :|
EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
821
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:06:00 -
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Science experiment: Take one magnet, place it on a flat nonmetallic surface. Take another magnet, push the other magnet around with it. Notice how the magnet pushes back?
******* RECOIL! WHAT IS THIS ******* MAGIC! OMG! HOW CAN IT DO THAT, MAGNETS HAVE NO RECOIL! FIZZER MUST BE USING MAGIC! ALL THE RAILGUNS IVE EVER SEEN IN *insert nonsensical SciFi media here* DONT HAVE RECOIL, THEREFORE IT MUST BE THAT WAY IN THE REAL WORLD! OMG!
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
3396
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:09:00 -
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newton's third law...
http://evil-guide.tripod.com/
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Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
178
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:16:00 -
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Every actual has an equal and opposite reaction.
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:24:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction
US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil.
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
29
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:26:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:newton's third law...
wrong, the rails both push and pull the projectile. |
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
29
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:27:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Science experiment: Take one magnet, place it on a flat nonmetallic surface. Take another magnet, push the other magnet around with it. Notice how the magnet pushes back?
******* RECOIL! WHAT IS THIS ******* MAGIC! OMG! HOW CAN IT DO THAT, MAGNETS HAVE NO RECOIL! FIZZER MUST BE USING MAGIC! ALL THE RAILGUNS IVE EVER SEEN IN *insert nonsensical SciFi media here* DONT HAVE RECOIL, THEREFORE IT MUST BE THAT WAY IN THE REAL WORLD! OMG!
wrong |
Son-Of A-Gun
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1433
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:50:00 -
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LOL = this thread.
Poor kid. Learning something new can be embarrassing sometimes.
But now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
*Que G.I. Joe theme song*
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:54:00 -
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Real rail guns also over heat
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:56:00 -
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Also rail guns in rl have a 2 stage barrel for? they are firing a metal missile at mach9 2.4 kilometers per second ..There is insane recoil also insane heat production ..If rr were realistic not only would it recoil drastically when hip fired it would overheat
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Son-Of A-Gun
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1433
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:57:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil.
Low recoil and no recoil are two very different things, especially when you are accelerating an object to more than 3000 m/h in a fraction of a second. *facepalm* Are people really still tying to argue against this?
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.11.06 07:58:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil. Yet when you watch it it does in fact have recoil significantly less than older projectile weapons sure but it's there
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
119
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:03:00 -
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1, I don't believe you... 2, Fizzer, you looked at other's comments and began to overreact, so thank for shutting up... 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.)
"We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
119
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:13:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:As an Electrical Engineer, I disagree with your premise that you can magically accelerate something with no consequences. Not only will you have recoil from the projectile being pushed forward as the basic laws dictate, but you'll also also have to deal with the consequences of internal pressure on the rails themselves pushing at one another. There are three rails, two parallel and the required third rail nestled between the two in an orthogonal configuration, all of which will exhibit recoil. Stop reading/watching bad science fiction US NAVAL Academy, Annapolis has a 94 page PDF describing why a rail gun has very little recoil. Yet when you watch it it does in fact have recoil significantly less than older projectile weapons sure but it's there and yet the AR has no recoil :p (little to no recoil I mean)
"We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
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Son-Of A-Gun
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1433
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:18:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.)
1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight.
2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them.
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE
Consolidated Dust
31
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:33:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them.
plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. |
sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
119
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:35:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. But a bullet would!
"We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
825
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:45:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:1, I don't believe you... 2, Fizzer, you looked at other's comments and began to overreact, so thank for shutting up... 3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) u wot m8 u lookin 4 a fite ill bash ye fookin ead in m8 I posted literally seconds after they posted! When I started writing, there were only 1 reply!
I only overreacted, ************! I didn't see ****! You don't know me!
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Son-Of A-Gun
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1433
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:45:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much.
Yes, in atmosphere, plasma would cool very quickly, but plasma also travels at roughly 3 million miles per hour. So, good bet that in 71 meter its probably still pretty ****ing hot. Also mass is not the important thing here temperature is. With a current upward limit, achievable by science, of around 100 million kelvin, the important part is how much energy a particle can impart when it impacts the atoms in your body. Its basically really tinny/fast moving fire.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1583
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:49:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:3, Sorry Saber, but I ask the question "Why does the AR have 0.5 recoil? (Number was a guess.) 1. Because particles (plasma) are REALLY light weight. 2. Because particles like to travel REALLY fast on there own. All you got to do is point them in the right direction/guide them. plasma would cool mid flight and more importantly plasma carries very little mass and would not hurt much. the weapon utilizes a magnetic field to fire a charge at extremely high velocity at a target. it first processes the charge and turns it into a ball of plasma, held together by a strong electromagnetic containment field. This ball is then accelerated out of the weapon by the same method as a railgun, but the containment field quickly dissipates once the ball leaves the barrel of the gun. the containment field dissipates before the high speed projectile has a chance to cool down.
eve lore, deal with it. |
Ryme Intrinseca
1962
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:05:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much.
A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil Also, in real life:
Low kick weapons are made full auto High kick weapons are made burst/semi auto
In Dust:
Low kick weapons are made burst/semi auto (CR, ScR) High kick weapons are made full auto (AR, RR) |
postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
573
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:37:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:Recoil (in fully automatic rifles) is caused from the bolt retracting picking up another round and firing again rapidly, yes the gas exiting the gun would cause a bit of kick but not much.
A railgun that uses magnetic could has no bolt (probably some inconsevable loading system we could never build) and if there is no gas exiting the the and no bolt flying back to pick up new rounds how the hell does the gun have recoil, especially if it's open rails there is literally no way it can have recoil
Like Physic, Mechanic, Electrotech, Jurry Rigger and Tinker (slighly philosopher, Theosopher aswell) i can tell you it makes sence. If you shoot projectile what have some mass in really big speed, that mass react in law of conservation of energy. Ergo rail of two ends will responce with recoil equal to gauss line covered by projectile. Just check rail and gauss cannons on YT if you dont trust, how they are mounted
"Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
13040
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:51:00 -
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To anyone still arguing this, I would like to question your education. I could answer you why this is stupid from my 7th grade physics classes.
Heck, I could tell something is fishy even before that, I just couldn't explain it.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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