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Jathniel G I A N T 1217	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:52:00 - [1] - Quote BUT........ The ISK and clowns can stay, but the Team Scans have GOT to GO. It caters to the lone-wolfers a little TOO much. If you are lone-wolfing, and not configured for scanning, nor with a squad, you can't just be handed a freebie like that. The Team Scans have got to go. Squad scanning was perfect. If you're on your own, you are on your own. The ISK payouts (glitch or not), are giving people incentive to play. I have not had a single bad match today. Win or Lose, the game was good. But the Team Scans are having WAY too much impact on the match. The moment a player that is a running a sensor fit dies, you are at the mercy of the entire enemy team, and whatever modest scanning you have is not going to be enough to deal with the force of non-stop crossfires. That is TOO many people (that did not earn it) being given an overwhelming advantage all at once. We cannot keep the team scans. We got rid of it before, for these same reasons. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10316	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:54:00 - [2] - Quote The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2469	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:55:00 - [3] - Quote Rattati has stated that they want to address Med EWAR stats somehow, so hopefully we'll hear more about that and the problem won't be as bad. Personally, as a pilot, I love them. I think it brings a nice dynamic of teamwork to the game. I can see where the frustration is coming from, so we'll have to see where CCP wants to take EWAR. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4320	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:57:00 - [4] - Quote While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough.
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 171	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:01:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. CCP rattati when do you think you will deploy hotfix alpha for several bugs, and the sidearm event SP? scout ck.0 here!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10323	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:03:00 - [6] - Quote Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13019	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:03:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. You expect us to fit dampeners? Scouts will still easily detect us, and without the HP advantage we have nothing. I might squeeze one in my Caldari Assault, but my Gallente Assault is absolutely 100% fucked. Which is quite annoying because I need flanking and being unpredictable to get close. Oh well. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Jathniel G I A N T 1217	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:08:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. Can we perhaps tag players running scanning modules? If we know WHO is running range or precision modules, and we can see them, perhaps we can swap the chevron over their head for a small antenna symbol instead. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:09:00 - [9] - Quote I agree on the isk ales dust bearable and gives incentive to play and try hard gg ide leave it If we go back to our 250 welfare checks it'll kill dust for me ..and I'm quite enjoying myself Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 38	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:14:00 - [10] - Quote I usually run solo in a heavy of some variant, so having access to the scans is a little odd to get used to. I will say, though, I liked it! Lol Also, whether it's improved frame-rate or some other mechanic, damage registering seems to be vastly improved! Thank you Rattati and team!

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4331	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:35:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. That is definitely part of it, but like Jathniel said, they're doing absolutely nothing to earn them. One guy could be running proto focused scans 24/7 for a team of academy guys, and they're only mindlessly heading to the pretty lights. As with finding ways to damp other frames, be careful. You don't want to make scanners useless again. Dampeners are pretty powerful as they are right now, but they don't favor the Caldari because of their slot layouts. What about placing an Active Scanner on the Defender suits and increasing their availability from 5 to 10, while changing active scans back to squad? This way, they still know how they work and how much they help the team, but can't see everything risk free when someone else decides to pull out the big guns (proto scans).
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 706	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:39:00 - [12] - Quote I have to admit that I do find these teamwide active scans frustrating. I don't find it very fun to get set up at a reasonable range to kill someone with my CR, only have all the sudden have them turn around and start shooting me immediately before I can line up a headshot when they had no idea I was there just a moment ago, nor would they have without that active scan that went through. The way it is right now, I honestly feel like we are back in Scanner 514 again before all of the equipment changes took effect some time ago. Why am I still here yet?
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 636	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:48:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. Deployable sensor dampener/jammer with a radius that hides anyone within it from scans. Use nanohive art assets. Problem solved. You're welcome.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 165	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:32:00 - [14] - Quote Jathniel wrote: BUT........ The ISK and clowns can stay, but the Team Scans have GOT to GO. It caters to the lone-wolfers a little TOO much. If you are lone-wolfing, and not configured for scanning, nor with a squad, you can't just be handed a freebie like that. The Team Scans have got to go. Squad scanning was perfect. If you're on your own, you are on your own. The ISK payouts (glitch or not), are giving people incentive to play. I have not had a single bad match today. Win or Lose, the game was good. But the Team Scans are having WAY too much impact on the match. The moment a player that is a running a sensor fit dies, you are at the mercy of the entire enemy team, and whatever modest scanning you have is not going to be enough to deal with the force of non-stop crossfires. That is TOO many people (that did not earn it) being given an overwhelming advantage all at once. We cannot keep the team scans. We got rid of it before, for these same reasons. (EDIT: My feelings are VERY mixed on it. On one hand, the scans are providing players today with the excitement of Dust back in Closed Beta. But on the other hand, the power of Team Scans was seen as something to be avoided because it really threw off the balance of the game.) Multiple issues with weapons, scouts, AV, vehicles, Ewar, Suit roles, Suits, and 1.9 pretty much flew by this to make dust prettier and less of a grind. Yes successful in making it prettier/less grinding.
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 369	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:41:00 - [15] - Quote The only suits i can actually fit a dampener as standard equipment without gimping my suit is proto. All other suits are f'd up in effectiveness. I could run a damp....but what will that actually fix. -I can still get detected by proto scans(double stacked damps possible but at what cost and will it work?) -Scouts can still find me and hunt me down -I have less direct combat ability because of reduced tank/regen(armor or shield regulator) -->means assault suit does less assaulting...the irony lower the default profile of assault or give us insane precision to anything within 15m...SOMETHING 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3034	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:43:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. Buff profile dampeners. Or buff the medium suit scan profile. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 450	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:49:00 - [17] - Quote split active scanners into 2 types. squad scanners types: strong scanners, decent cooldown, easly defeats all but the most complex dampeners (proto scout with 2 damps) team scanners: decent scan strength but struggles to defeat decent sensor damps (medium frame with 1 or 2 damps) how ever this might make the gall logi either OP or just too powerful. in squad with fully bonused flux, or the extremely stong scanners. makes it near impossible for anything/one to avoid scan's. save the heavly dampend scouts running all damps in lows,. and as for team scanners it would be quite strong and capable of scanning anything as well. but the stats and how it works is for ccp to decide ultimately. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4321	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:52:00 - [18] - Quote I think the time has come to rework e-war as a whole to bring mediums back into the e-war game through module use. B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4518	Posted - 2014.11.05 07:54:00 - [19] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I think the time has come to rework e-war as a whole to bring mediums back into the e-war game through module use. this. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 509	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:31:00 - [20] - Quote When you run assaults or heavys then dont expect to be sneaky. Team scans are here to stay cause it helps with the gameflow and you can send blueberrys in the right direction rather then running around in the nowhere. Dont like to be scanned? Get a scout and stack dampeners. Problem solved. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!

Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 315	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:32:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. You expect us to fit dampeners? Scouts will still easily detect us, and without the HP advantage we have nothing. I might squeeze one in my Caldari Assault, but my Gallente Assault is absolutely 100% fucked. Which is quite annoying because I need flanking and being unpredictable to get close. Oh well. I think incentivising mediums to run damps if they want to avoid scans is a good thing, I just think it's a little too hard. A small reduction of medium profile would be a good fix maybe. As for scouts scans, most of the time active scanners are more likely to detect you.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 972	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:02:00 - [22] - Quote Jathniel wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. Can we perhaps tag players running scanning modules? If we know WHO is running range or precision modules, and we can see them, perhaps we can swap the chevron over their head for a small antenna symbol instead. Z This would make sensor players a target of priority instead of merely a target of opportunity. Being able to blind the enemy team as often as possible, would introduce a new dynamic as well. I like this idea. Imagine if the scanner was also lit up on the tacnet to each merc that was scanned. That would mean the scanner better have backup or a plan, rather than just spamming scan-for-points arbitrarily. Imagine some bastard scout lighting up the opposing blob and drawing them all into the hills for some dastardly reason. Plans within plans. Although, I feel we should let the current mechanic settle first and see how things pan out. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1579	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:15:00 - [23] - Quote current ewar is a binary mechanic and binary mechanics will and always were bad idea implement in a game. end of story. sensor strength should be affected by range and obstacles. we dont need this hundred meter wallhacks, the maps are already build around chokepoints and current ewar invalidates any positioning and map awareness for most suits dumbing the whole game down.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13025	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:31:00 - [24] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. You expect us to fit dampeners? Scouts will still easily detect us, and without the HP advantage we have nothing. I might squeeze one in my Caldari Assault, but my Gallente Assault is absolutely 100% fucked. Which is quite annoying because I need flanking and being unpredictable to get close. Oh well. I think incentivising mediums to run damps if they want to avoid scans is a good thing, I just think it's a little too hard. A small reduction of medium profile would be a good fix maybe. As for scouts scans, most of the time active scanners are more likely to detect you. 360 degree scans that work 24/7 vs 90 degree scans that keep me up for 5 seconds every 15 seconds if they aim to the right place. And it gives me a warning. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 203	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:44:00 - [25] - Quote Wait... your upset that everyone has scans instead of just your team... weird... I mean that almost makes it an even playing field... apart from the teamwork and communication... right?... get good bro. Rattati give it some time man it is the first day. Check out the film Flame and Citron it is amazing! Wizard Talk
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 315	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:27:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. You expect us to fit dampeners? Scouts will still easily detect us, and without the HP advantage we have nothing. I might squeeze one in my Caldari Assault, but my Gallente Assault is absolutely 100% fucked. Which is quite annoying because I need flanking and being unpredictable to get close. Oh well. I think incentivising mediums to run damps if they want to avoid scans is a good thing, I just think it's a little too hard. A small reduction of medium profile would be a good fix maybe. As for scouts scans, most of the time active scanners are more likely to detect you. 360 degree scans that work 24/7 vs 90 degree scans that keep me up for 5 seconds every 15 seconds if they aim to the right place. And it gives me a warning. I was referring to the precision. But active scanner range is also a factor.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13026	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:09:00 - [27] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. You expect us to fit dampeners? Scouts will still easily detect us, and without the HP advantage we have nothing. I might squeeze one in my Caldari Assault, but my Gallente Assault is absolutely 100% fucked. Which is quite annoying because I need flanking and being unpredictable to get close. Oh well. I think incentivising mediums to run damps if they want to avoid scans is a good thing, I just think it's a little too hard. A small reduction of medium profile would be a good fix maybe. As for scouts scans, most of the time active scanners are more likely to detect you. 360 degree scans that work 24/7 vs 90 degree scans that keep me up for 5 seconds every 15 seconds if they aim to the right place. And it gives me a warning. I was referring to the precision. But active scanner range is also a factor. Most scouts I know of run with precision better than Proto. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4951	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:19:00 - [28] - Quote I use a complex dampener and precision mod on my sentinel. Trust me you guys, this ** works. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!**
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:25:00 - [29] - Quote Here's an idea. Scouts and assaults have the same EWAR capabilities. However, scouts get bonuses to ewar module use. Balance? The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 315	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:52:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Most scouts I know of run with precision better than Proto. Sorry but I find that hard to believe. Though I'm sure some do. But then some logis are Gallente. Though I concede that a dual precision Amarr scout is probably more common than a focus scanning Gal logi.

Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 309	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:09:00 - [31] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: I think the time has come to rework e-war as a whole to bring mediums back into the e-war game through module use. People who use scanners need them to be powerful to detect cloaked scouts. As long as catching ewar dampened scouts is a priority, all mediums suits will be scanned and continue to be scanned no matter how you fit them. How is a medium going to stay under the radar when its scouts i'm trying to pick up. This is why my next proto suit is going to be a gal logi with + 2 proto scans, creodorn breach reppping hive and an injector. Team scan or not I'm going to keep the whole map lit up. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Spankdamonke ScReWeD uP InC 36	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:11:00 - [32] - Quote Would it be possible to make it so that the scan is "broadcast" to teammates in a radius? Like, if I use a scanner, every teammate within x meters of me gets the scan info on their minimap. The radius could vary by tier. Hell, we could even have the time red dots pop up on the teammates' map vary by the distance from the merc doing the scanning. In this way, you can still guide clueless blueberries, as it would provide incentive for the scanner to run with a group. But now, a friendly squad 100+m away doesn't get a free lunch, so to speak. Thoughts?
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 541	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:16:00 - [33] - Quote If I'm using a scanner its gonna be proto. Maybe ADV if its on an a gal logi and I don't really care about scouts. Team scans aren't the problem. Scan profiles are.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 615	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:26:00 - [34] - Quote Team scans are good because most players don't squad. It's a bunch of lone wolves anyway against a protostomp team. There will not be a problem if people adapt and carry scanners, damp down et al. Obviously, there is a push for more ewar centrism. I for one have been sick of the lack of sigs showing up. I can't make out sh*t on a 2D video screen. The sigs make up for that and lack of peripheral vision. I would like to see scouts get a fitting bonus to scanners and then have scanners cost a lot of pg. This would favor caldari med carrying a scanner more easily since ewar is their thing and it offsets them hanging back vs. up close like Gal and Amarr. There is nothing about the scanner that has anything to do with the logi. Logistics in EVE means repairs specifically. Logistics otherwise means supplies and planning. The scout has been made the ewar suit so the scanner should be part of that. Also, you have a suit that is more vulnerable to attack carrying the scanner. I like having the scanner person play a pivotal role in combat. In real combat the most important person is the communications guy. Get rid of him and you can prevent reinforcements. This is a great dynamic for the game! Boycott Black Thursday!
Haerr Clone Manque 1784	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:42:00 - [35] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: I think the time has come to rework e-war as a whole to bring mediums back into the e-war game through module use. this. indeed.
Slippy Pippy Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:49:00 - [36] - Quote As a fulltime logi, i like the scanner change ofc, but i also understand the concerns. The problem is that i play too sporadically and enjoy the freedom of the NPC corp and the "quick battle" option. I like scanning as logi activity and are maxed out on all equipment, so scanning is a huge part of my play-style. In the past it basically forced me to join a squad, even if i just wanted a few random "dombush" games. Quite often i joined a random squad only for scanning and the next game they did run a skirmish or FW, which i hate. So this change allows me to play dust in more "free" way, just coming back home from work and enjoy some random matches, while i can be effectively with "my" logi play-styles i enjoy. On the other hand i dislike the needle change, since in the few matches i did run there was so many occasions, where i did stand in front of a body and for some reason the person did not wanted to-be revived. The bigger problem was that if "my heavy" did die, in the past i could revive him often in under 2-3 seconds, but now you need wait until the screen comes up and "call for help", which takes way more longer than before. So loosing my reppy heavy/assaut now results in a way higher risk for me to die, while before i quickly revived and got protected again. I would prefer if you always would allowed to revive someone, but the person can than choose in like 5-10 seconds if he accepts or declines the revive or maybe have a options setting "allow revive always, only team, explicitly".
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1655	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:50:00 - [37] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Wait... your upset that everyone has scans instead of just your team... weird... I mean that almost makes it an even playing field... apart from the teamwork and communication... right?... get good bro. Rattati give it some time man it is the first day. Enjoying your kills now that your scanners work? Destiny = Dust
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:53:00 - [38] - Quote Tell you what, with more proto and advanced frames running damps that CQC is going to be fun instead of hitting these brick tanked stompers. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 65	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:01:00 - [39] - Quote I was in a few matches yesterday where I was being scanned constantly. I couldn't escape it! I don't like team scans mostly because I can't see what's going on as well when all the red tags are glowing, especially if there are loads of uplinks and hives out.
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4102	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:01:00 - [40] - Quote I'm cool with team scans. Causes more people to run scanners and more people to use damps. Cause and effect. I'm just worried the Gallente Logi is gonna be the FoTM(again) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2333	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:12:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. I've thought that variants on the scanners that share to the whole team would be ideal over making them all at all tiers share to the whole team. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1655	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:13:00 - [42] - Quote Problem is, I'm a Caldari scoot. Putting on two complex damps doesn't really work from what I've experienced so far. I also need at least 2 low slots on my Caldari assault for regulators. Putting on two dampeners is pretty much a waste for my assault. Destiny = Dust
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1177	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:19:00 - [43] - Quote I have heard good things about this update. However, it is too little too late for me. I only use my ps3 for netflix and crunchyroll these days. Hint Hint: port the game over to the PS4 and some of us will play again.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 463	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:22:00 - [44] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Can we perhaps tag players running scanning modules? If we know WHO is running range or precision modules, and we can see them, perhaps we can swap the chevron over their head for a small antenna symbol instead. Z This would make sensor players a target of priority instead of merely a target of opportunity. Being able to blind the enemy team as often as possible, would introduce a new dynamic as well. Or maybe scanning ups the users signature like using sonar, you get to see everyone but give away your position to do it. Also I was thinking instead of scan results going to the entire team only transmit to team members inside the scan radius. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4819	Posted - 2014.11.05 13:27:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. As in the 1.9 change was only Step 1. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 88	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:53:00 - [46] - Quote Dare I suggest... What if crouching has the effect of a single dampener? This would allow stealth at the cost of mobility, seems fair in light of the recent game developments. -daj See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:10:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. This is where an equipment scrambler would come into play. Throw one down and as long as you're in the scramblers radius you can't be scanned.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4437	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:11:00 - [48] - Quote It's not that bad. This is not the return of the permascan from 1.7 when "you have been scanned" got permanently etched into some TV's. It's also measurably better than having ridiculous all-seeing Cal scouts with 360 degree continuous shared scans that you didn't know were doing so. - Cooldowns - Limited scan radius - Infinitely more expensive than passive skills - Also more expensive than modules (depends on the scanner obviously) - Big ass warning on the top of your screen telling you it's happening (or not working) Also, I don't see the Gal logi somehow becoming FoTM again. Assaults, sentinels, and scouts have all been significantly buffed since that was the case. Logis are still pretty meh suits overall, and multiple proto scan gallogi is a pretty expensive fit. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1244	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:31:00 - [49] - Quote Logis with nearly scout level eHP and slower speed are expected to waste a slot on a dampener,when it will cost them eHP? Considering that logis are always targeted first,you're asking for too much. Buff logistics eWAR and lower their signature. This will help logistics be an asset to the team,and will force wannabe COD solo assault players to have one around. While also passively aiding their survival. Tl;dr make logistics more like scouts Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
deadpool lifetone D3ATH CARD RUST415 15	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:07:00 - [50] - Quote Team scans are a plus sign of team work and effectiveness ( but it does take out the element of surprise or set up booby traps or dog out pure ambush attacks ) no gorilla tactics basically. A tank can see prox and remotes several miles away with team scans and making proximity mines pure useless. 1.9 is a huge success. The payouts have player's going all out on every level. Bringing out good suits and equipment because now we can afford it lol the food stamps were nice and all but didnt allow players to play at they're potential. I adapted my suits to ewar and have flown under the radar so far on the team scans ( by making minor tweaks to all my suits, sacrificing a boundless combat for the RS to free up cpu/pg for that ewar mod ) Over all its only been one day ( adapt and keep it moving ) ratt and them boys making big things happen

Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4103	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:07:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. Nerfing low tiered scanners will cause more people to use high tiered ones. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1603	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:09:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The "problem" is that its too easy to get a high quality scan. Mediums need to start fitting a dampener, and low tiered active scanners may get nerfed. Deployables will get a tiered signature profile. Rattatti what happened to the 750k weekly bonus SP? we see you or some one else removed it from the EU/US 1.9 notes but it is still present on the asia blog.. what is going on?! the community is getting angry over the wasted aur (useing boosters thinking the 750k was delivered) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1603	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:11:00 - [53] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Problem is, I'm a Caldari scoot. Putting on two complex damps doesn't really work from what I've experienced so far. Even if I did stack two damps, then I wouldn't be able to run a complex KinCat, which is kind of a shame. I also need at least 2 low slots on my Caldari assault for regulators. Putting on dampeners is pretty much a waste for my Cal assault. all i can say is Booo effign hoo your not permanantly invis to tacnet anymore and it still takes gal logi L3 + and adv+ scanner to pick up noob scouts with out damping 5 and damps [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1657	Posted - 2014.11.05 17:18:00 - [54] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Problem is, I'm a Caldari scoot. Putting on two complex damps doesn't really work from what I've experienced so far. Even if I did stack two damps, then I wouldn't be able to run a complex KinCat, which is kind of a shame. I also need at least 2 low slots on my Caldari assault for regulators. Putting on dampeners is pretty much a waste for my Cal assault. all i can say is Booo effign hoo your not permanantly invis to tacnet anymore and it still takes gal logi L3 + and adv+ scanner to pick up noob scouts with out damping 5 and damps I don't think you understand anything. I'm a pro Caldari everything. I have dampeners at level 5, but still get scanned when I stack complex damps. Therefore, I will continue to be permascanned unless I respec out of Caldari suits. And if you've actually known me, I'm not a "noob scout". Texted my wife. She said she wants two holo strippers for her room. She also wants a holo penguin butler. -Ripley
Jathniel G I A N T 1227	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:56:00 - [55] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Problem is, I'm a Caldari scoot. Putting on two complex damps doesn't really work from what I've experienced so far. Even if I did stack two damps, then I wouldn't be able to run a complex KinCat, which is kind of a shame. I also need at least 2 low slots on my Caldari assault for regulators. Putting on dampeners is pretty much a waste for my Cal assault. all i can say is Booo effign hoo your not permanantly invis to tacnet anymore and it still takes gal logi L3 + and adv+ scanner to pick up noob scouts with out damping 5 and damps I don't think you understand anything. I'm a pro Caldari everything. I have dampeners at level 5, but still get scanned when I stack complex damps. Therefore, I will continue to be permascanned unless I respec out of Caldari suits. And if you've actually known me, I'm not a "noob scout". This is a legit problem. The current meta is a Scanning > Dampening, and that instantly breaks Scouts. Are you getting detected while cloaked? Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5799	Posted - 2014.11.05 18:59:00 - [56] - Quote The problem is that i can stop using my Passive scan E-war scouts (Gal+Amarr) because now everyone is scanning and there is no need for me to passive scan anymore XD CAL SCOUT 4x Cx Shield ext and 2 Cx Prof Damps. Go to town... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5183	Posted - 2014.11.05 19:07:00 - [57] - Quote Instead of team scans the answer should be automatically putting solo players in a squad. The issues people had with that idea are not nearly as problematic as the team scans. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 973	Posted - 2014.11.05 19:14:00 - [58] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I have heard good things about this update. However, it is too little too late for me. I only use my ps3 for netflix and crunchyroll these days. Hint Hint: port the game over to the PS4 and some of us will play again. CCP NOW DOO EEET You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:32:00 - [59] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Joel II X wrote: While it was fun to laugh at the noobs who didn't have CPX Dampeners, as I was running proto scans, I agree. Having team scans might have been a little overboard. Blueberries can actually do well if you're holding their hand, though. So, it's tough. It's good for new players to see more info on the grid, so team scans help a lot. We just need more ways to avoid them. Buff profile dampeners. Or buff the medium suit scan profile. Buff both. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:35:00 - [60] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Vapor Forseti wrote: Problem is, I'm a Caldari scoot. Putting on two complex damps doesn't really work from what I've experienced so far. Even if I did stack two damps, then I wouldn't be able to run a complex KinCat, which is kind of a shame. I also need at least 2 low slots on my Caldari assault for regulators. Putting on dampeners is pretty much a waste for my Cal assault. all i can say is Booo effign hoo your not permanantly invis to tacnet anymore and it still takes gal logi L3 + and adv+ scanner to pick up noob scouts with out damping 5 and damps I don't think you understand anything. I'm a pro Caldari everything. I have dampeners at level 5, but still get scanned when I stack complex damps. Therefore, I will continue to be permascanned unless I respec out of Caldari suits. And if you've actually known me, I'm not a "noob scout". This is a legit problem. The current meta is a Scanning > Dampening, and that instantly breaks Scouts. Are you getting detected while cloaked? BS. Damps beats scans in cases of a tie. If you're being scanned and don't want to be a) Stack those damps b) Use a lower base profile suit c) LEAVE THE AREA you are being scanned at d) Some combination of any two or more of the above So ez even an advanced race of superhumanoid clones could do it... Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.



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