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shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 2995	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:08:00 - [1] - Quote Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares? I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway. Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14171	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote ^ What community wants Dust 514 to be. Also the first and fore most reasons I thank CCP for never making a real EVE Dust connection. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2178	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:10:00 - [3] - Quote I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17591	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:11:00 - [4] - Quote I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5792	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:16:00 - [5] - Quote calvin b wrote: I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone. Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenge and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it. That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is. NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14171	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:18:00 - [6] - Quote calvin b wrote: I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. But how does it make sense...... were not doing anything worthy being paid out enough ISK in a single battle that could buy an interstellar Destroyer class ship. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 556	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:19:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2180	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:20:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: calvin b wrote: I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone. Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenging and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it. That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is. I left for a bit for I hit a wall and had nothing to look forward to. Now I have more ISK than I need and I am wanting others to run proto for it is an ISK sink and it will offset the large ISK payout. Thats what I meant by running proto. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 710	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:23:00 - [9] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: calvin b wrote: I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone. Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenging and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it. That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is. I agree: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2426280#post2426280 "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 341	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:32:00 - [10] - Quote isk payout like it is now makes no need for logis

Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 557	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:44:00 - [11] - Quote I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 2995	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:44:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. My average payout is around 800k, nothing near 20+ mil. But that is not the point, the point is that people, with current payout, actually PLAY THE GAME and don't stay in red line.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:58:00 - [13] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 557	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:16:00 - [14] - Quote hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. Welp, guess we can't all be as good as you! There, I stroked your e-peen, now you stroke mine back. STROKE IT!!! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 342	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. Welp, guess we can't all be as good as you! There, I stroked your e-peen, now you stroke mine back. STROKE IT!!! Ok
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 59	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:20:00 - [16] - Quote Completely disagree, although I must say it is really fun getting filthy rich it should be this much. The payouts need to be increased but not how they currently are. Logistics ak.0 Python pilot PSN: Riptalis
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 758	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:24:00 - [17] - Quote hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 557	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:29:00 - [18] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. Welp, I've got about 160 million ISK lying around, yet I still can't stand losing a Proto suit or weapon Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 758	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:30:00 - [19] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: LUGMOS wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. Welp, I've got about 160 million ISK lying around, yet I still can't stand losing a Proto suit or weapon Same. And I feel like a massive scrub while using it.. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 2997	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:30:00 - [20] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it.

Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 160	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:37:00 - [21] - Quote shaman oga wrote: LUGMOS wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it. Exactly, people finally PTFO with this payout. Assaulting people since way too long..
Thokk Nightshade Montana Militia 661	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:06:00 - [22] - Quote Sequal Rise wrote: shaman oga wrote: LUGMOS wrote: hold that wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it. Exactly, people finally PTFO with this payout. I almost feel like they should keep something set up in the payouts where, whatever the "baseline" ISK payout is (the new standard, old standard, or something in between), the winning team should get X 2 or something like that. Not so much to completely unbalance everything, but enough that more people are going to be willing to try harder if they know winning means double the ISK at the end of the match. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 487	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:13:00 - [23] - Quote It's for sure more dynamic now. People actualy fights for these objectives. Eg. today in almost every match, both teams killed atleast 200+ clones. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1585	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:14:00 - [24] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares? I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway. Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline. holy hell! 12,093,595 PAYOUT! 0.0 [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DarthPlagueis TheWise 283	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:15:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. This post reeks of NDA. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1468	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:25:00 - [26] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares? I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway. Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline. In the long run, that's not enjoyable. Trust me. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17600	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:39:00 - [27] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? I can probably explain after it gets fixed. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 249	Posted - 2014.11.05 02:19:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? I can probably explain after it gets fixed. CCP already did in the bug thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179640 Quote: 4. EOM Payout is wrongly increased by certain items in "death toll" calculations Certain items are bugged, they shouldn't have mentioned this as players will figure out which ones and equip them to spread the love.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7359	Posted - 2014.11.05 02:42:00 - [29] - Quote 800k -1.2Mil ISK per game I can live with. This insanity in the 7-13Mil needs to go. Not even PC pays that well. And PC pays pretty damn well. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Criteria Shipment The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2014.11.05 02:49:00 - [30] - Quote STYLIE77 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? I can probably explain after it gets fixed. CCP already did in the bug thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179640 Quote: 4. EOM Payout is wrongly increased by certain items in "death toll" calculations Certain items are bugged, they shouldn't have mentioned this as players will figure out which ones and equip them to spread the love. Yea. I used a normal HMG and adv sentinel dropsuit with complex shield extenders and a normal armor repairer and get 1,000,000 ISK each match I lose. Imagine if I won atleast once today... Have fun ya wankerz

LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 270	Posted - 2014.11.05 03:04:00 - [31] - Quote This pretymuch negates all the careful balancing that was done over the last 6 months. Before, you had weapons that were sorted by the effective roles and by costs. In that the most expensive and effective were limited by their costs. Now thats out the window. Before, it was "Should I risk my 120,000ISK suit ambushing those 4 guys? I might get 1 or 2 but the survivors will finish me off". Now its just go go go, don't worry, you'll get 5 million ISK and buy another Scout GK.0 As someone who has maintained a 50 million ISK balance virtually my entire Dust lifetime (all as a lone wolf from pub matches), I dont mind getting paid 700,000-3 million for doing virtually nothing. But even I can see this is a race to the bottom. It caters to the lowest common denominator. All it helps is someone who needs as many crutches as they can and wants no risk in return. Everyone else just gets more douchebags on the battlefield who feel like they are finally worth something with EZ mode enabled.
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:17:00 - [32] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. My average payout is around 800k, nothing near 20+ mil. But that is not the point, the point is that people, with current payout, actually PLAY THE GAME and don't stay in red line. Unless you are redlined, then all you can do is gank as many redberries as you can to get top in leaderboard on the losing side.
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1209	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:20:00 - [33] - Quote I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. EWAR tool
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 762	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:25:00 - [34] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: This pretymuch negates all the careful balancing that was done over the last 6 months. Before, you had weapons that were sorted by the effective roles and by costs. In that the most expensive and effective were limited by their costs. Now thats out the window. Before, it was "Should I risk my 120,000ISK suit ambushing those 4 guys? I might get 1 or 2 but the survivors will finish me off". Now its just go go go, don't worry, you'll get 5 million ISK and buy another Scout GK.0 As someone who has maintained a 50 million ISK balance virtually my entire Dust lifetime (all as a lone wolf from pub matches), I dont mind getting paid 700,000-3 million for doing virtually nothing. But even I can see this is a race to the bottom. It caters to the lowest common denominator. All it helps is someone who needs as many crutches as they can and wants no risk in return. Everyone else just gets more douchebags on the battlefield who feel like they are finally worth something with EZ mode enabled. How in the name of mother Russia does this negate balance??? If anything, it will make players more competitive with new shitfits. Nobody ran PLC because it would make you go negative, and likely isk negative. Now, people can actually choose to have fun. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5804	Posted - 2014.11.05 04:38:00 - [35] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 105	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:49:00 - [36] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushing objective, more action until people realise that even more ISK can be earned by camping in redline. Less isk, people camping in redline. FTFY "All war is the result of one man's madness."
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 105	Posted - 2014.11.05 05:51:00 - [37] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 59	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:05:00 - [38] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Ummmm, no. Best thing to do is fix this "getting rich real quick" glitch but then still increase ISK payouts after, not too much though. Python pilot PSN: Riptalis
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5806	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:07:00 - [39] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know... NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 717	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:08:00 - [40] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Magnus, your reasoning is based on the premise that every single player played PC and made infinite ISK. A small % of players play PC. This current pay scale applies to every single player. That is something completely different. That is a fundamental difference. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 106	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:12:00 - [41] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know... Head over to the 514 lottery post and I'll give you some reasons why I am not scamming anyone. (Not the Reborn, that is for those who want to put the 25,000 on the line for a chance at a bit more.) "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Magnus Amadeuss Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1210	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:20:00 - [42] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Magnus, your reasoning is based on the premise that every single player played PC and made infinite ISK. A small % of players play PC. This current pay scale applies to every single player. That is something completely different. That is a fundamental difference. So your argument is that it is ok for the game to be completely broken for just a bunch of extremely active CORPs? Or is it that the current game meta, where vets with infinite isk can just stomp pubs all day and make the miserable for everyone else is fine? That is an awefully elitist stance you are taking for a game that benefits from inclusion, not exclusion. I am for a level-ish playing field myself. Listen, I have enough fully fit proto suits to last me until sometime in 2016 without spending another isk, and I run scout thru sentinel. This isk fountain doesn't benefit e nearly as much as it does the playerbase. It is much better than having a boys club like there is now. EWAR tool
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5806	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:34:00 - [43] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know... Head over to the 514 lottery post and I'll give you some reasons why I am not scamming anyone. (Not the Reborn, that is for those who want to put the 25,000 on the line for a chance at a bit more.) I don't think i see the thing you are talking about? NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 106	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:36:00 - [44] - Quote Go to reborn, I left a link there. EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5808	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:47:00 - [45] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Go to reborn, I left a link there. EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 106	Posted - 2014.11.05 06:55:00 - [46] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Go to reborn, I left a link there. EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying I would hate to say them here, but I have given out ISK before and often have very little use for it, I have asked for ISK yes, but I do not need it and I try to show that it isn't that important to me when I can, it is 25,000 right now so why would I bother to take that amount of ISK when I can fight one battle (Or just go AFK with spinning controller) and get about 4-25 times more? Those right there should allow you to realise, if not we can continue this conversation on the other thread. Extra: I would like to say sorry again to the OP for doing the same action again. "All war is the result of one man's madness."
Ivy Zalinto Intara Direct Action Caldari State 409	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:26:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it. Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Mainly due to there being no risk to field good gear if you make back all your money and then some. I always built my suits very carefully and was effecitve with a cost of no more than 15k. Sounds odd but it worked for me and i could earn money off of solo play all day. Its not much, but hey i like watching the money slowly grow...now 500k-1mill per game...dont have to be careful anymore...kinda takes away a fun and immersive part of the game to me. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Pay attention to your surroundings or your getting 2 in the back of the head.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5812	Posted - 2014.11.05 08:52:00 - [48] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Go to reborn, I left a link there. EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying I would hate to say them here, but I have given out ISK before and often have very little use for it, I have asked for ISK yes, but I do not need it and I try to show that it isn't that important to me when I can, it is 25,000 right now so why would I bother to take that amount of ISK when I can fight one battle (Or just go AFK with spinning controller) and get about 4-25 times more? Those right there should allow you to realise, if not we can continue this conversation on the other thread. Extra: I would like to say sorry again to the OP for doing the same action again. Or this could be a attempt to build creditability in order to pull off one grand scam where after you have gotten people to trust you, you take them for everything they have. Happens a lot in EVE... NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3006	Posted - 2014.11.05 09:05:00 - [49] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Go to reborn, I left a link there. EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. Bumps are always appreciated
VK deathslaer Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:03:00 - [50] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. well said as far as 1.9 goes the pay outs are viable for everyone to have 100m isk. Not only just have 100m isk but beable to take districts from the current holders and actually make them use the isk they have! And in 1.9 I see the eve dust link developing into something more beautiful and something very awesome! I want dust to effect eve on grander scales and to do that dusters need more isk. People ***** and complain that there getting to much isk and this is a bug? Basically if I offered you 500m and your turning it down cuz you know that it would bring you too much enjoyment. These people are cretins and the patch is challenging their status quo. Dust punishes you for not logging in every day, and I can now enjoy a casual week of maybe 3 days of dust and ACTUALLY enjoy the game and not have to grind in my militia suit just so i can have a couple advanced suits.

WARxion ForDUST G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 89	Posted - 2014.11.05 10:26:00 - [51] - Quote VK deathslaer wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming. IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago. Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. well said as far as 1.9 goes the pay outs are viable for everyone to have 100m isk. Not only just have 100m isk but beable to take districts from the current holders and actually make them use the isk they have! And in 1.9 I see the eve dust link developing into something more beautiful and something very awesome! I want dust to effect eve on grander scales and to do that dusters need more isk. People ***** and complain that there getting to much isk and this is a bug? Basically if I offered you 500m and your turning it down cuz you know that it would bring you too much enjoyment. These people are cretins and the patch is challenging their status quo. Dust punishes you for not logging in every day, and I can now enjoy a casual week of maybe 3 days of dust and ACTUALLY enjoy the game and not have to grind in my militia suit just so i can have a couple advanced suits. The problem with that is the payout is random at the moment, buggy, glitchy, fluctuates randomly between 90k and 7m ISK. This is not good. Yesterday we won a match, I was third and got 95k ISK. Right after that we failed pretty hard, I was 10th maybe and got 2,5m ISK. For no reason! Why did the game rewarded me while I did nothing? A payout increase would be good. But this isn't good. It NEEDS to be fixed. And just because you have money, no one will take you into PC. You have to know your team, they need to know you, you have to be prepared with comms, tactics. Nothing will change in terms of PC and EVE support. There will be more PRO users. That's all. Yes, I'm that desperate...
VK deathslaer Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2014.11.05 11:30:00 - [52] - Quote aye fix it so its consistent keep the pay increase!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3407	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:05:00 - [53] - Quote Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day. You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums. > Check RND out here
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3013	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:07:00 - [54] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day. You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdemFfbS5H0
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 270	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:42:00 - [55] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day. You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums. Maybe cause not all of us are scumbags who need every little advantage they could get. Some of like the enjoy the results of our own merit instead of riding the ** of your squad leader all day long. If I kicked out the Ahrendee squad crutch you used 24/7 out from under you, you'd fall to the ground so hard you'd never get up again. Being a "gossip girl" is alot better than being a little ***.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:50:00 - [56] - Quote 1. Its fine now 2. Stops camping 3. You get rewarded pushing for that win 4. Should have been if you place top 5 in a win or loss you get more ISK for doing better 4a. If you win you get more ISK than when you lose as standard 4b. 2 changes like that would equal better games in general
The Shadow514 Quizatzs Hatterach 24	Posted - 2014.11.05 12:53:00 - [57] - Quote The high ISK payout got so much positive feedback for a reason! New players got to try out vehicles because they could afford them and other players got points for blowing them up. Also tankers could lose 3 or 4 decent tanks and not have to worry about damaging their wallet. It took a lot of pressure of running proto suits as well. Getting 20+ million a match is over the top but getting 3-4 million for coming first wouldn't be so bad would definitely help the newer members to the community. It was the happiest mistake CCP has ever made
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5835	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:03:00 - [58] - Quote The day everyone can run proto is the day Dust is dead. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5835	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:04:00 - [59] - Quote Also. They'll retroact it and if you abused it you will be in the negative. Just like last time it happened. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
VK deathslaer Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:06:00 - [60] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The day everyone can run proto is the day Dust is dead. oh ya we don't even have tech 2 items yet homie there is a hole level of items beyond prototype so ya wouldn't bet on it. cuz they'll just release more.....

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5835	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:16:00 - [61] - Quote VK deathslaer wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The day everyone can run proto is the day Dust is dead. oh ya we don't even have tech 2 items yet homie there is a hole level of items beyond prototype so ya wouldn't bet on it. cuz they'll just release more..... Tech II means different not better. Anyways. Logi and Assault are practically Tech II versions of the medium suit. Dust just simply doesn't follow the EVE model. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Avallo Kantor SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 414	Posted - 2014.11.05 14:27:00 - [62] - Quote The crux of the problem with these payouts is that it renders ISK pointless. If you can get upwards of three to twenty million ISK a match, then thereGÇÖs no real way you can run out of it. When this happens ISK is no longer a resource in the game, and really loses its point to exist in the first place. The problem can best be split up into three main points: the loss of ISK as a conflict driver, the loss of it having a purpose to exist, and the loss of depth in fitting. On the first point, one of the main reasons ISK is important in DUST and EVE is that it helps to drive conflict. Alliances and corporations down to the solo player all require ISK, and activities that make more ISK are more desired. In EVE this means that particularly dangerous and difficult tasks will have players flock to them for their lucrative payouts. By having high risk, high reward activities, and low risk, low reward activities you can help push conflict, especially if the most lucrative activities are ones that only a select few can profit off of. As a quick example, if level 1 missions in EVE could give a player hundreds of millions ISK each time, why would that player ever feel the need to do level 4? At a certain point, activities earn enough ISK, especially with a lacking p2p market, that there no longer is a reason to pursue other activities as all your costs are managed. With the current ISK payouts everybody can afford to run proto all the time, so other activities become pointless. This leads into the second point of making ISK irrelevant. If ISK never becomes a limiting factor in matters then it loses its point as a resource, and could just as well be removed. It would be akin to having an GÇ£AirGÇ¥ resource in Battlefield when you never enter any airless areas. ItGÇÖs never going to run out, and yet itGÇÖs still on the screen as a number. Resources lose their point if they are never a limiting factor, which makes them nothing more than a pointless item to track. For the last point, if ISK becomes irrelevant due to ultra-high payouts, then there is no more reason to run anything other than proto fits. To some people, this seems like a great idea, but it has issues with the overall design and concept of this game. First, it turns progression into MMO progression, much like Destiny. Why ever use item A thatGÇÖs green, when item B is purple? Without ISK items in this game lose all purpose other than their stats, making lower tier items nothing but leveling fodder. This then makes the SP system as just a gating mechanic to keep noobs out of end game content, no different than being level 5 in world of Warcraft, and waiting to be [max level]. With the current system in DUST, it is generally true that prototype fittings cannot be run constantly as they drain too much ISK except for those who have farmed absurd amounts. Even then those players will run out if they do not take steps to replenish their funds. This means that there is a point, and in fact a benefit to running other levels of suits as it allows a resource to be conserved, and earned. Even the greenest of newbies can go ISK positive if running low level gear, a feat that many prototype running players cannot claim. ISK is a resource that incentives running lower tier gear in order to earn it, meaning that lower tier gear can have a purpose even to players who have long since earned enough SP to run all proto.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2014.11.05 15:10:00 - [63] - Quote Excellent statement, Avallo. Nice to see players who can understand what Dust's purpose was. This post can be repeated on some of the threads IGÇÖm reading today: 3 years after DustGÇÖs innovatively brave suggestion that an FPS can be made in an alternate style that actively encourages --more thoughtful movement against opponents, --more consideration for neighboring fellow players working alongside you, --more concern and value in expensive assets you insert into each match, --more sacrifice and sense of loss when you GÇ£loseGÇ¥ a match, --more and longer effort to build your worth and achieve new tiers.... There are still players who never liked any of these ideas (or didnGÇÖt realize they were CCPGÇÖs objectives), but still keep playing (no oneGÇÖs twisting their arms to play Dust), and say the game is finally the way an FPS is supposed to be whenever it eases up and permits --LESS hesitant and more reckless movement against opponents, --LESS interaction with players working alongside you, and more GÇ£screw it, who cares!GÇ¥ --LESS concern in your assets (just waste GÇÿem, why care?! Auto-replace like CoD!) --LESS sacrifice and sense of loss when you GÇ£loseGÇ¥ a match (letGÇÖs just blow crap up!) --LESS and SHORTER effort to achieve new stuff (letGÇÖs beat the game in 10 hours, and just blow crap up!).... I respect both kinds of FPS gamers. But ,... why choose to eat chocolate ice cream, when you WANT strawberry ice cream and the strawberry is right there beside you to have, for the same size spoon, same bowl, and same price? Why ask for the chocolate to be turned into strawberry for you? Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3018	Posted - 2014.11.05 16:45:00 - [64] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: Excellent statement, Avallo. Nice to see players who can understand what Dust's purpose was. This post can be repeated on some of the threads IGÇÖm reading today: 3 years after DustGÇÖs innovatively brave suggestion that an FPS can be made in an alternate style that actively encourages --more thoughtful movement against opponents, --more consideration for neighboring fellow players working alongside you, --more concern and value in expensive assets you insert into each match, --more sacrifice and sense of loss when you GÇ£loseGÇ¥ a match, --more and longer effort to build your worth and achieve new tiers.... There are still players who never liked any of these ideas (or didnGÇÖt realize they were CCPGÇÖs objectives), but still keep playing (no oneGÇÖs twisting their arms to play Dust), and say the game is finally the way an FPS is supposed to be whenever it eases up and permits --LESS hesitant and more reckless movement against opponents, --LESS interaction with players working alongside you, and more GÇ£screw it, who cares!GÇ¥ --LESS concern in your assets (just waste GÇÿem, why care?! Auto-replace like CoD!) --LESS sacrifice and sense of loss when you GÇ£loseGÇ¥ a match (letGÇÖs just blow crap up!) --LESS and SHORTER effort to achieve new stuff (letGÇÖs beat the game in 10 hours, and just blow crap up!).... I respect both kinds of FPS gamers. But ,... why choose to eat chocolate ice cream, when you WANT strawberry ice cream and the strawberry is right there beside you to have, for the same size spoon, same bowl, and same price? Why ask for the chocolate to be turned into strawberry for you? I understand your points, but for me, Fun > Tacticism. I prefer to see people running to a objective rather than people camping in redline for the fear of going negative with isk.


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