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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:08:00 -
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Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares? I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway.
Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline. |
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:10:00 -
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^ What community wants Dust 514 to be. Also the first and fore most reasons I thank CCP for never making a real EVE Dust connection.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:10:00 -
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I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:11:00 -
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I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:16:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone.
Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenge and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it.
That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is.
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:18:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death.
But how does it make sense...... were not doing anything worthy being paid out enough ISK in a single battle that could buy an interstellar Destroyer class ship.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
556
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific?
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2180
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:20:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone. Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenging and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it. That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is.
I left for a bit for I hit a wall and had nothing to look forward to. Now I have more ISK than I need and I am wanting others to run proto for it is an ISK sink and it will offset the large ISK payout. Thats what I meant by running proto.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
710
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:23:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree the ISK payout needs to stay. Yes more will run proto but this is a good thing for the ISK payout will increase with each death. Getting you closer to the end game and making it easier. When everyone is running proto then the game will get stale and will have no excitement, there will be no goal when everyone has everything. That's why many vets leave this game because they have billions of ISK a feel like there is nothing else for them to do, they beat the game. The game won't have the same mean or spice if CCP were just to give everyone 1 Bil ISK and say go wild. The game would die in a month because the meaning and value of ISK would just disappear for everyone. Years ago when i had my PS2 i use to buy games and you could use cheat codes on those games where you could get infite amount of money. You could do that and get 3-4 hours of game play out of it just stomping everyone or you could play the game properly and get 10-20 hours out if because it is hard, challenging and engaging. Making dust super simple and easy will just degrade it. That's just my opinion have not given it all that much thought but it is what it is.
I agree:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2426280#post2426280
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:32:00 -
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isk payout like it is now makes no need for logis |
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:44:00 -
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I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto?
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. My average payout is around 800k, nothing near 20+ mil. But that is not the point, the point is that people, with current payout, actually PLAY THE GAME and don't stay in red line. |
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.04 22:58:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. |
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Dreis Shadowweaver
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:16:00 -
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hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. Welp, guess we can't all be as good as you! There, I stroked your e-peen, now you stroke mine back. STROKE IT!!!
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:19:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. Welp, guess we can't all be as good as you! ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) There, I stroked your e-peen, now you stroke mine back. STROKE IT!!! Ok |
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:20:00 -
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Completely disagree, although I must say it is really fun getting filthy rich it should be this much. The payouts need to be increased but not how they currently are.
Logistics ak.0
Python pilot
PSN: Riptalis
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
758
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:24:00 -
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hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too...
I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:29:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. Welp, I've got about 160 million ISK lying around, yet I still can't stand losing a Proto suit or weapon ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png)
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
758
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:30:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:LUGMOS wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. Welp, I've got about 160 million ISK lying around, yet I still can't stand losing a Proto suit or weapon ![Oops](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_oops.png) Same. And I feel like a massive scrub while using it..
Quafe
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So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
2997
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:30:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it. |
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
160
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:37:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:LUGMOS wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it. Exactly, people finally PTFO with this payout.
Assaulting people since way too long..
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:06:00 -
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Sequal Rise wrote:shaman oga wrote:LUGMOS wrote:hold that wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:I actually like it the way it is now. Really, if everyone could afford to run Proto, wouldn't it be better than if just a few could afford to run Proto? i don't understand how a few could only run proto. i always ran/run proto, and i'm a solo player in an npc corp. I could do that too... I have 45,000,000 ISK and I'm alos a solo player in a (basically) NPC corp. I even put a 5% tax rate, its my deposit box. I have 600 millions, my problem is not isk, the problem is mentality, with current isk payouts people seem to be more agressive and i like it. Exactly, people finally PTFO with this payout.
I almost feel like they should keep something set up in the payouts where, whatever the "baseline" ISK payout is (the new standard, old standard, or something in between), the winning team should get X 2 or something like that. Not so much to completely unbalance everything, but enough that more people are going to be willing to try harder if they know winning means double the ISK at the end of the match.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Mejt0
Puff n Puffers
487
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:13:00 -
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It's for sure more dynamic now. People actualy fights for these objectives.
Eg. today in almost every match, both teams killed atleast 200+ clones.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1585
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:14:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares? I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway. Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline. holy hell! 12,093,595 PAYOUT! 0.0
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness.
This post reeks of NDA.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1468
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:25:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Finally Dust has turned in a normal FPS ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) It's fun to play this way. I lose a proto, who cares?I lose 10 proto, i go negative anyway. Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushig objective, more action. Less isk, people camping in redline.
In the long run, that's not enjoyable. Trust me.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
17600
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:39:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific?
I can probably explain after it gets fixed.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? I can probably explain after it gets fixed.
CCP already did in the bug thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179640
Quote:4. EOM Payout is wrongly increased by certain items in "death toll" calculations
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:42:00 -
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800k -1.2Mil ISK per game I can live with.
This insanity in the 7-13Mil needs to go.
Not even PC pays that well. And PC pays pretty damn well.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Criteria Shipment
The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION
949
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:49:00 -
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STYLIE77 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Can you be more specific? I can probably explain after it gets fixed. CCP already did in the bug thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=179640Quote:4. EOM Payout is wrongly increased by certain items in "death toll" calculations Certain items are bugged, they shouldn't have mentioned this as players will figure out which ones and equip them to spread the love. Yea. I used a normal HMG and adv sentinel dropsuit with complex shield extenders and a normal armor repairer and get 1,000,000 ISK each match I lose. Imagine if I won atleast once today...
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