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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
270
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Posted - 2014.11.05 03:04:00 -
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This pretymuch negates all the careful balancing that was done over the last 6 months. Before, you had weapons that were sorted by the effective roles and by costs. In that the most expensive and effective were limited by their costs.
Now thats out the window. Before, it was "Should I risk my 120,000ISK suit ambushing those 4 guys? I might get 1 or 2 but the survivors will finish me off". Now its just go go go, don't worry, you'll get 5 million ISK and buy another Scout GK.0
As someone who has maintained a 50 million ISK balance virtually my entire Dust lifetime (all as a lone wolf from pub matches), I dont mind getting paid 700,000-3 million for doing virtually nothing. But even I can see this is a race to the bottom. It caters to the lowest common denominator. All it helps is someone who needs as many crutches as they can and wants no risk in return. Everyone else just gets more douchebags on the battlefield who feel like they are finally worth something with EZ mode enabled. |
SagaB
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:17:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. My average payout is around 800k, nothing near 20+ mil. But that is not the point, the point is that people, with current payout, actually PLAY THE GAME and don't stay in red line. Unless you are redlined, then all you can do is gank as many redberries as you can to get top in leaderboard on the losing side. |
Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1209
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:20:00 -
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I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything.
EWAR tool
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
762
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:25:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:This pretymuch negates all the careful balancing that was done over the last 6 months. Before, you had weapons that were sorted by the effective roles and by costs. In that the most expensive and effective were limited by their costs.
Now thats out the window. Before, it was "Should I risk my 120,000ISK suit ambushing those 4 guys? I might get 1 or 2 but the survivors will finish me off". Now its just go go go, don't worry, you'll get 5 million ISK and buy another Scout GK.0
As someone who has maintained a 50 million ISK balance virtually my entire Dust lifetime (all as a lone wolf from pub matches), I dont mind getting paid 700,000-3 million for doing virtually nothing. But even I can see this is a race to the bottom. It caters to the lowest common denominator. All it helps is someone who needs as many crutches as they can and wants no risk in return. Everyone else just gets more douchebags on the battlefield who feel like they are finally worth something with EZ mode enabled. How in the name of mother Russia does this negate balance???
If anything, it will make players more competitive with new shitfits. Nobody ran PLC because it would make you go negative, and likely isk negative. Now, people can actually choose to have fun.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5804
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Posted - 2014.11.05 04:38:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring.
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
105
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Posted - 2014.11.05 05:49:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Dammit, it's way better this way, more isk, more people pushing objective, more action until people realise that even more ISK can be earned by camping in redline. Less isk, people camping in redline. FTFY
"All war is the result of one man's madness."
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
105
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Posted - 2014.11.05 05:51:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam.
"All war is the result of one man's madness."
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
59
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:05:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Ummmm, no. Best thing to do is fix this "getting rich real quick" glitch but then still increase ISK payouts after, not too much though.
Python pilot
PSN: Riptalis
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5806
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:07:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know...
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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Eruditus 920
Nemo Malus Felix
717
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:08:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything.
Magnus, your reasoning is based on the premise that every single player played PC and made infinite ISK.
A small % of players play PC.
This current pay scale applies to every single player. That is something completely different.
That is a fundamental difference.
"Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
106
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:12:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know... Head over to the 514 lottery post and I'll give you some reasons why I am not scamming anyone. (Not the Reborn, that is for those who want to put the 25,000 on the line for a chance at a bit more.)
"All war is the result of one man's madness."
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Magnus Amadeuss
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
1210
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:20:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Magnus, your reasoning is based on the premise that every single player played PC and made infinite ISK. A small % of players play PC. This current pay scale applies to every single player. That is something completely different. That is a fundamental difference. So your argument is that it is ok for the game to be completely broken for just a bunch of extremely active CORPs? Or is it that the current game meta, where vets with infinite isk can just stomp pubs all day and make the miserable for everyone else is fine? That is an awefully elitist stance you are taking for a game that benefits from inclusion, not exclusion.
I am for a level-ish playing field myself.
Listen, I have enough fully fit proto suits to last me until sometime in 2016 without spending another isk, and I run scout thru sentinel. This isk fountain doesn't benefit e nearly as much as it does the playerbase.
It is much better than having a boys club like there is now.
EWAR tool
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5806
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:34:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. Take into consideration most of the people who have farmed billions of isk quit this game. ISK will not solve all your problem it will just make this game boring. I will go just a bit off topic and request ISK from you, viktor, or at very least you tell some people (or show) that my earlier lottery is not a scam. I don't really know you, so i can't tell people you are not a scammer because i really don't know... Head over to the 514 lottery post and I'll give you some reasons why I am not scamming anyone. (Not the Reborn, that is for those who want to put the 25,000 on the line for a chance at a bit more.) I don't think i see the thing you are talking about?
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
106
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:36:00 -
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Go to reborn, I left a link there.
EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic.
"All war is the result of one man's madness."
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5808
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:47:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Go to reborn, I left a link there.
EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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sir RAVEN WING
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
106
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Posted - 2014.11.05 06:55:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Go to reborn, I left a link there.
EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying I would hate to say them here, but I have given out ISK before and often have very little use for it, I have asked for ISK yes, but I do not need it and I try to show that it isn't that important to me when I can, it is 25,000 right now so why would I bother to take that amount of ISK when I can fight one battle (Or just go AFK with spinning controller) and get about 4-25 times more? Those right there should allow you to realise, if not we can continue this conversation on the other thread. Extra: I would like to say sorry again to the OP for doing the same action again.
"All war is the result of one man's madness."
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Ivy Zalinto
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2014.11.05 08:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I disagree because I know why it is the way it is and it is going to result in some unhealthy game play decisions if CCP doesnt fix it.
Regardless there does stand a case for increased pay overall; just not this 20+ mil a match ridiculousness. Mainly due to there being no risk to field good gear if you make back all your money and then some.
I always built my suits very carefully and was effecitve with a cost of no more than 15k. Sounds odd but it worked for me and i could earn money off of solo play all day.
Its not much, but hey i like watching the money slowly grow...now 500k-1mill per game...dont have to be careful anymore...kinda takes away a fun and immersive part of the game to me.
Dedicated Stealth Scout.
Pay attention to your surroundings or your getting 2 in the back of the head.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club
5812
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Posted - 2014.11.05 08:52:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:Go to reborn, I left a link there.
EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. I don't really see all convincing proof about you not being a scammer is what im saying I would hate to say them here, but I have given out ISK before and often have very little use for it, I have asked for ISK yes, but I do not need it and I try to show that it isn't that important to me when I can, it is 25,000 right now so why would I bother to take that amount of ISK when I can fight one battle (Or just go AFK with spinning controller) and get about 4-25 times more? Those right there should allow you to realise, if not we can continue this conversation on the other thread. Extra: I would like to say sorry again to the OP for doing the same action again. Or this could be a attempt to build creditability in order to pull off one grand scam where after you have gotten people to trust you, you take them for everything they have. Happens a lot in EVE...
NEG1
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
3006
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Posted - 2014.11.05 09:05:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Go to reborn, I left a link there.
EDIT: I would like to say sorry to the OP for getting off topic. Bumps are always appreciated |
VK deathslaer
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:03:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything.
well said as far as 1.9 goes the pay outs are viable for everyone to have 100m isk. Not only just have 100m isk but beable to take districts from the current holders and actually make them use the isk they have! And in 1.9 I see the eve dust link developing into something more beautiful and something very awesome! I want dust to effect eve on grander scales and to do that dusters need more isk.
People ***** and complain that there getting to much isk and this is a bug? Basically if I offered you 500m and your turning it down cuz you know that it would bring you too much enjoyment. These people are cretins and the patch is challenging their status quo. Dust punishes you for not logging in every day, and I can now enjoy a casual week of maybe 3 days of dust and ACTUALLY enjoy the game and not have to grind in my militia suit just so i can have a couple advanced suits. |
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WARxion ForDUST
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
89
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:26:00 -
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VK deathslaer wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I hope the people who are against the isk payouts realize that PC spit out well over 3 TRILLION isk just from farming.
IF this payout system will break dust.. well guess what, it was already broken by PC a long time ago.
Best thing CCP could do is keep the current payouts for 1-2 months, then jack up the price of everything. well said as far as 1.9 goes the pay outs are viable for everyone to have 100m isk. Not only just have 100m isk but beable to take districts from the current holders and actually make them use the isk they have! And in 1.9 I see the eve dust link developing into something more beautiful and something very awesome! I want dust to effect eve on grander scales and to do that dusters need more isk. People ***** and complain that there getting to much isk and this is a bug? Basically if I offered you 500m and your turning it down cuz you know that it would bring you too much enjoyment. These people are cretins and the patch is challenging their status quo. Dust punishes you for not logging in every day, and I can now enjoy a casual week of maybe 3 days of dust and ACTUALLY enjoy the game and not have to grind in my militia suit just so i can have a couple advanced suits.
The problem with that is the payout is random at the moment, buggy, glitchy, fluctuates randomly between 90k and 7m ISK. This is not good. Yesterday we won a match, I was third and got 95k ISK. Right after that we failed pretty hard, I was 10th maybe and got 2,5m ISK. For no reason! Why did the game rewarded me while I did nothing?
A payout increase would be good. But this isn't good. It NEEDS to be fixed.
And just because you have money, no one will take you into PC. You have to know your team, they need to know you, you have to be prepared with comms, tactics. Nothing will change in terms of PC and EVE support. There will be more PRO users. That's all.
Yes, I'm that desperate...
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VK deathslaer
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:30:00 -
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aye fix it so its consistent keep the pay increase! |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3407
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:05:00 -
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Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day.
You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums.
> Check RND out here
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
3013
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:07:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day.
You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdemFfbS5H0 |
LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
270
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:42:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Anyone that mentioned the ISK bug is an idiot. There is no way that CCP can keep the ISK return as is. I made 8.7M ISK in one pub match....that's more than what a hub used to generate in one day.
You guys should have stfu, hope CCP didn't notice, and milk for as long as you can. But you guys love being gossip girls and post on the forums.
Maybe cause not all of us are scumbags who need every little advantage they could get. Some of like the enjoy the results of our own merit instead of riding the **** of your squad leader all day long. If I kicked out the Ahrendee squad crutch you used 24/7 out from under you, you'd fall to the ground so hard you'd never get up again.
Being a "gossip girl" is alot better than being a little *****. |
Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:50:00 -
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1. Its fine now
2. Stops camping
3. You get rewarded pushing for that win
4. Should have been if you place top 5 in a win or loss you get more ISK for doing better 4a. If you win you get more ISK than when you lose as standard 4b. 2 changes like that would equal better games in general |
The Shadow514
Quizatzs Hatterach
24
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:53:00 -
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The high ISK payout got so much positive feedback for a reason! New players got to try out vehicles because they could afford them and other players got points for blowing them up. Also tankers could lose 3 or 4 decent tanks and not have to worry about damaging their wallet. It took a lot of pressure of running proto suits as well. Getting 20+ million a match is over the top but getting 3-4 million for coming first wouldn't be so bad would definitely help the newer members to the community. It was the happiest mistake CCP has ever made |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5835
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:03:00 -
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The day everyone can run proto is the day Dust is dead.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5835
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:04:00 -
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Also. They'll retroact it and if you abused it you will be in the negative. Just like last time it happened.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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VK deathslaer
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2014.11.05 14:06:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The day everyone can run proto is the day Dust is dead.
oh ya we don't even have tech 2 items yet homie there is a hole level of items beyond prototype so ya wouldn't bet on it. cuz they'll just release more..... |
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