I have never used a scanner, but I was scanned a lot in 1.6 and 1.7 while using my logistics suit.

As it is now, because I have level five profile dampening, all of my medium suits already avoid basic active scanners. I almost always have one profile dampener on to avoid active scans of vehicles and advanced hand-held ones, and if I use two, then I can avoid all active scanners excluding the Duvolle focussed, which is fine. I don't see why It shouldn't be able to scan everyone if doesn't last that long anyway.

I am slightly dissatisfied with light frames' Electronic Warfare. Those militia frames can avoid advanced active scanners with no modules or skill points.
I think that light frames should have their precision and profile values increased by five or ten points, instead of lowering all the others' values.

The thing is, using 2x damps on a Medium suit currently is a big sacrifice and you gain nothing from it because everyone who is even slightly into scanning can still scan you. Scouts and GA Logis will easily scan you and soon that one GA Logi in the enemy team will give your position away to his whole team and your 2x damps are worth exactly nothing.

Scans are a tool for people that are too lazy to pay attention to their surroundings.

Since scans give an advantage to a whole squad or team, and dampening merely tries to avoid a disadvantage and only works on a personal level, avoiding scans has to become MUCH easier for all suits!

One guy with a scanner will soon be able to force an entire team to sacrifice slots for dampening or live with the fact that the enemy can see every single one of their steps.

In my honest opinion, at least the shared team vision for active scanners should be delayed until Medium suits are changed in a way that they at least have the choice to avoid scans if they want to!

gnyahaha ive won!

I was thinking the same thing...

Like, really?

Finally I get a blue tag.

And this is it?

But, yeah, I am reading all your EWAR threads.

IV. What Would Change?
The first thing you might notice is that even with 0 SP invested in dampening a Medium suit will be able to avoid a STD active scanner. This is unfortunate, but considering that you can still scan equipment, vehicles, and heavies and considering that your SP investment is very small I think it is still fair.

The good news though is that even with max skills a Medium suit will still have to fit at least one dampener to avoid an ADV active scanner, vehicle scanners, scouts with 0x precision enhancers, and GA Logis with a STD active scanner.

The way things currently work a Medium suit would already need max skills + 1x complex dampener to even avoid the passive scans of CA/MN + 0x precision enhancers, and these are the two scouts that are not even specialized into scanning! With my proposal you will still need at least 1x dampener but at least it would be easier to overcome these non-specialized scans.

It would need only 1x complex dampener to overcome a proto active scanner. Now to some people this might look ridiculous. But considering that:
- the SP investment for a proto active scanner and for a complex dampener are the same,
- you can still see a dampened Medium suit with your eyes,
- the proto active scanner can still scan everything that doesn't use at least 1x dampener (except for CA/GA scouts),
- the active scanner still gives its results to the whole team,
- you don't need a scanning-specialized suit for it,
- and that a GA Logi still only needs an ADV active scanner to beat a Medium with 1x complex damps,
makes it seem fair to me.

The interesting part comes when you use 2x dampeners on a Medium suit. With my proposal 2x damps, which is 25% of high/low slots of a proto Assault, will save you from all but the most dedidicated scanners. (GA Logi with proto scanners, GA Scout with 2x precision, AM Scout with 2x precision, and CA/MN Scouts with 3x precision will still be able to see you.)

Using 3x dampeners (37,5% of high/low slots of proto Assault) on your Medium suit will now even make you hide from anything but AM Scouts with 2x precision and GA Logi with focused scanner.
(BTW even with those changes a Medium suit can never dodge a GA Logi with focused scanner.)

Now if you wanted to exaggerate you could say that it is not fair when an Assault suit is fully dampened and still has 800-1000 HP. But to reach these numbers you'd have to use 3x dampeners and use 100% of your remaining slots for HP modules which means you have no additional damage / regen / speed / stamina/ scanning / hacking. Every other module will considerably reduce your HP. 800-1000HP is the absolute maximum you can get when you use 3x damps.

V. Give me a Choice!
This proposal really is less about buffing but more about giving people a choice. Right now Assaults/Logis/Heavies choices are very limited when it comes to EWAR. And in my honest opinion, the gameplay is suffering from that. Too many times I have wished to work out a nifty plan to overcome the enemy only to realize that I would be shot as soon as I move away from the bunch of blueberries around me.

Please, CCP, give me a choice!


~FIN~

A 800-1000HP invisible assault?
No thanks,we have enough problems with scouts as is.

WAAAH! He uses dampeners! IM BLIND!

Nerf Scout suit profile from 35 -> 40.

Buff dampeners by 5 points each. (25% -> 30% for complex dampener)

EDIT: Math: EWAR FIXED (EWAR CURRENTLY)

But reducing the active scanner precision and then increasing the Gal Logi bonus wouldn't really help.

A Gal Logi with proto active scanner would still be so good that Mediums have close to no chance of avoiding it and at the same time this change would make active scanners less useful for anyone who is not a Gal Logi.

The second problem is that just changing the active scanners won't help Mediums against Scout's passives.

Though I admit my initial proposal has some downsides to it and that is why I made a new proposal.



With this proposal dampeners would be much more useful for Mediums.

The only problem then is that they are too useful for scouts which is why I propose to have their base profile nerfed slightly. The good thing though is that for a scout who uses dampeners it won't be much different from how things work now because dampeners are more effective.

Scouts would need to use dampeners slightly earlier but the high level EWAR interplay won't change too much.

So what you are saying, Jebus, is that you want medium suits to be able to be INVISIBLE using only 2 dampeners against a medium suit who is using 5 precision enhancers? I don't think that is right. :P

The low level Medium precision VS dampeners interplay is still good. High level interplay problems are mostly a result of stacking penalties.

But anyway. Since Precision gives you (and your squad) an advantage and Dampeners only make you (personal level) avoid a disadvantage the general rule should be:

Dampeners > Scans/Precision

But, yeah, I am reading all your EWAR threads.

I disagree that dampening should win in damps vs. precision. If Dampeners win then the shotgun will always run roughshod over everyone.

The primary problem with the scans is that it is scanned 100% of the time that the dampening is lower than the scan precision.

Warning: All numbers used after this point are just rough numbers that are merely placeholders for the sake of the example.

It would be much better if it was a 90%-10% (quick, rough numbers) chance of appearing on a scan depending on the difference between the target's dampening and the scanner's precision.

e.g., a suit with let's say a 30 db lower profile than the precision of a scanner that tries to scan it will still 30% at risk of getting scanned; or if we flip this on its head a suit with a profile that is 30 db higher than the precision of the scanner it would still have a 25% chance of slipping past the scan.