DUST Search - Rail rifle kick is excessive.

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

zzZaXxx wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

zzZaXxx wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you *will* be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc.

Quadrupled kick values are bad.

Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast.

Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions.

Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness.

The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed.

HTFU

I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing.

I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it.

My AR isn't usable at all at the range where you set up shop and get your kills, so I'm delighted that you have to pull out your sidearm in CQC. Seems balanced to me.

I do think you should have an alternative rail rifle though. Hopefully they'll nerf the ARR 's range and buff its handling to provide a more versatile RR.

Made a thread about exactly that. the RR should be good at long range, and the ARR should be good at CQC. With the ridiculous recoil on the ARR its CQC viability is still subpar.

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MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1463	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
DDx77 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.10.28 16:04:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure why they didn't just increase the charge up time when firing
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 292	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:12:00 - [3] - Quote Lol no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 795	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:21:00 - [4] - Quote DDx77 wrote: Not sure why they didn't just increase the charge up time when firing Oh, don't worry, that hasn't happened yet. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2471	Posted - 2014.10.28 18:21:00 - [5] - Quote lol ?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7116	Posted - 2014.10.28 19:09:00 - [6] - Quote Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Killer's Coys Prima Gallicus 128	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:03:00 - [7] - Quote For me it's not excessive. The RR is made for long distance The ARR is made for short/middel distance That's all Logibro, you're my boy
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1467	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:12:00 - [8] - Quote Killer's Coys wrote: For me it's not excessive. The RR is made for long distance The ARR is made for short/middel distance That's all These changes essentially turn the rail rifle from a 'mainline' infantry weapon into a specialist weapon akin to the laser or massdriver. They're overdone. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 616	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:38:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1468	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:44:00 - [10] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing. I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3236	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:45:00 - [11] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing. I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it. Why not use the assault rail rifle then? supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1468	Posted - 2014.10.28 20:48:00 - [12] - Quote Why should I have to pay (in terms of SP and ISK) to have a 'not bad' weapon. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7117	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:43:00 - [13] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Why should I have to pay (in terms of SP and ISK) to have a 'not bad' weapon. It isn't bad. You just want a weapon that hits hard and has excellent range, while maintaining CQC Viability. You can't have the best of both worlds. You want CQC viability? Go for an AR or CR. You want long range? Go RR or ScR. You can no longer have both. Get over it. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 133	Posted - 2014.10.28 21:52:00 - [14] - Quote ARR also have this enormous kick. I dont understand ccp. Sorry for my bad english.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 456	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:07:00 - [15] - Quote Tried it just few minutes ago and weapon is topnotch balanced, end of story. "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1469	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Tried it just few minutes ago and weapon is topnotch balanced, end of story. Oh? and how many kills did you manage in CQC? against what suits and weapons? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 617	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:35:00 - [17] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing. I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it. My AR isn't usable at all at the range where you set up shop and get your kills, so I'm delighted that you have to pull out your sidearm in CQC. Seems balanced to me. I do think you should have an alternative rail rifle though. Hopefully they'll nerf the ARR 's range and buff its handling to provide a more versatile RR.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1469	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:37:00 - [18] - Quote ^I'm fine with your weapon being better than mine at short range, so long as I still get to actually use my weapon at short range. In its current state it's not possible. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2063	Posted - 2014.10.28 22:37:00 - [19] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing. I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it. My AR isn't usable at all at the range where you set up shop and get your kills, so I'm delighted that you have to pull out your sidearm in CQC. Seems balanced to me. I do think you should have an alternative rail rifle though. Hopefully they'll nerf the ARR 's range and buff its handling to provide a more versatile RR. Made a thread about exactly that. the RR should be good at long range, and the ARR should be good at CQC. With the ridiculous recoil on the ARR its CQC viability is still subpar. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1172	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:46:00 - [20] - Quote http://giphy.com/gifs/13W8faVLb4bo3u Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)

Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4119	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:58:00 - [21] - Quote Zindorak wrote: http://giphy.com/gifs/13W8faVLb4bo3u Excellent.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 619	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:35:00 - [22] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Hipfiring more than 15 shots causes your weapon to be uncontrollable if you hipfire an entire magazine you will be looking straight at the skybox - this is utter insanity, every infantry weapon should be serviceable with or without a bonus this is an excessive heavyhanded overnerf of a weapon because it 'seemed' to be performing a bit better than someone would like it in cqc. Quadrupled kick values are bad. Switch it out for a breach AR then. That's a hipfire beast. Oh you still want to be able to kill people from really far away? Decisions decisions. Welcome to (the opposite version of) the world AR users have been living in, except we can't bust out a long range sidearm to help with our weakness. The RR should be as bad at hipfiring as the AR is at long range. No more do-everything, I-can-blast-away-from-range-all-day-but-I'm-fine when-I-get-rushed. HTFU I don't have nor do I ever want to have SP invested in assault rifles on this character, they are not caldari weapons. Thanks for trying though, the solution to an overnerf isn't 'abandon the weapon completely and use something else', that's called FOTM chasing. I don't want the rail rifle to be a 'hipfire beast', I want it to perform as it should - as a racial service rifle, not as a specialist weapon. In order to do that I needs to be 'useable' in hipfire and cqc, it doesn't need to be the best at it. My AR isn't usable at all at the range where you set up shop and get your kills, so I'm delighted that you have to pull out your sidearm in CQC. Seems balanced to me. I do think you should have an alternative rail rifle though. Hopefully they'll nerf the ARR 's range and buff its handling to provide a more versatile RR. Made a thread about exactly that. the RR should be good at long range, and the ARR should be good at CQC. With the ridiculous recoil on the ARR its CQC viability is still subpar. No RR should be good at CQC, but ARR should be ok and great at the extent of its range.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2067	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:54:00 - [23] - Quote I think you got that backwards, mate. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1275	Posted - 2014.10.29 07:03:00 - [24] - Quote Recoil on both the ARR and RR is over the top. The RR base weapon honestly needs to be re-thought a bit period. It's too hard to balance by simply nerfiing it...some fundamental changes need to be made to not make it be a niche weapon akin to LR. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Orber Gen Academy Inferno E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:01:00 - [25] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Recoil on both the ARR and RR is over the top. The RR base weapon honestly needs to be re-thought a bit period. It's too hard to balance by simply nerfiing it...some fundamental changes need to be made to not make it be a niche weapon akin to LR. Since RR was put in the game it always been FOTM And laser rifle is great weapon, I think the best for range duels, but there is one thing, that makes it useless for aim-assist boys - LR doesn't have "bullet magnetism" and rail rifle have insane magnetism effect Welcome to our world, dear RR users, We waited u for soooooo long
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1179	Posted - 2014.10.29 11:49:00 - [26] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Zindorak wrote: http://giphy.com/gifs/13W8faVLb4bo3u Excellent. Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 1921	Posted - 2014.10.29 13:29:00 - [27] - Quote RR users.... http://youtu.be/j5nSLsUlGzc Just saying. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7138	Posted - 2014.10.29 17:07:00 - [28] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: RR users.... http://youtu.be/j5nSLsUlGzc Just saying. Have you played the new Alien game? It's REALLY good and really scary. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1890	Posted - 2014.10.29 19:51:00 - [29] - Quote The difference is that if an AR or CR (or shotgun, etc.) user is faced with incoming RR fire, he simply gets into cover and usually survives. Yet with the new RR hipfire, there is no counter except a sidearm and roughly half (or less) the DPS, and he usually dies. There is no place to hide. I'm not sure that's balance, but it does appear to me what we have now. No biggie to me, really, as I've gone back to the BrAR (over my old gun, the ARR) well before the hotfix this week and I only used the RR to kill people at the edge of its range (where it reigns supreme), but man, oh, man, that gun is gimped in CQC now to almost unwinable levels....and it still dominates at range. I hope it brings the usage statistics (and K/S) in line, because I shudder to think what's next with the RR.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3334	Posted - 2014.10.29 20:01:00 - [30] - Quote Orber Gen wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Recoil on both the ARR and RR is over the top. The RR base weapon honestly needs to be re-thought a bit period. It's too hard to balance by simply nerfiing it...some fundamental changes need to be made to not make it be a niche weapon akin to LR. Since RR was put in the game it always been FOTM And laser rifle is great weapon, I think the best for range duels, but there is one thing, that makes it useless for aim-assist boys - LR doesn't have "bullet magnetism" and rail rifle have insane magnetism effect Welcome to our world, dear RR users, We waited u for soooooo long They've been FOTM because they are overly flexible. Nerfing the weapon as a whole does indeed make them less flexible by nerfing CQC which is good, but it also nerfs the long range application, which is bad. As Jaysyn said, there needs to be a fundimental rethinking of how the weapon works in general so it performs poorly in CQC, but awesome at range. As for Laser Rifle, it doesn't have any recoil. At all. So "Yeah! RR is now just like the LR! WOOT! Well except for the fact that the RR has so much recoil you can't actually keep it on target like the LR but yeah! Balance!" facepalm Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs



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