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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.10.28 10:30:00 -
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Refunds and Resets only purchasable through AUR. Hm. Can we get more details of this system, can you do it whenever or is there a limit?
Knight Soiaire
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2373
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Posted - 2014.10.28 10:42:00 -
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Seems like you just pay for it and you get a respec.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4199
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:14:00 -
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They aren't posting the price. Could be pretty steep. That would deter abuse.
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
414
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:15:00 -
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How is paying for a respec P2W exactly?
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Darrius Smithmage
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:15:00 -
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Buying a respect for air is no were near pay to win in any way. Ps2 is buying a item in a gam and it stronger than a item you can buy with in game currency. This is just helping people who make mistakes fix this mistakes.
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Stevez Wingyip
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:17:00 -
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Yep, terrible change and a very clear statement that CCP will change their polices instantly without informing us. They stated a year ago or so that they will NOT BE DOING ANY MORE RESPECS. And now, by allowing them, we are going to have flavour of the month 100% in most matches.
This is probably the dumbest move and biggest last min cash grab move I have ever seen. No uniqueness of characters any more, no more reason to actually think about your choices, no more seeing that rare combination player that players his character that isn't great because he loves it.
Bah, very clear cash grab before they announce that legion is a go. |
DarthPlagueis TheWise
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:17:00 -
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With the way CCP has actually been running things competently of late, you'd be an idiot to have actually needed a respec since 1.8 dropped.
Literally the only thing I'd respec is my assault rifle and they probably won't sell it in amounts of a couple million SP, you'll probably have to reset your entire lifetime SP and it won't be worth it to me.
I'm just going to get the Quafe Sentinel and Scout instead.
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Stevez Wingyip
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:18:00 -
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Darrius Smithmage wrote:Buying a respect for air is no were near pay to win in any way. Ps2 is buying a item in a gam and it stronger than a item you can buy with in game currency. This is just helping people who make mistakes fix this mistakes.
No it's not, if it was, it would be a ONE TIME PURCHASE. In which case, I would have no problem with it. |
Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
337
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:27:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:How is paying for a respec P2W exactly? You could skill into the FOTM instantly, as opposed to someone who would have to grind to get it. I think everyone should get one yearly refund, but you can buy an extra one for AUR each year.
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Lost Apollo
RISE of LEGION
18
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:31:00 -
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How is this a pay-to-win?!?
Look at a traditional MMO. Most of these games will allow you to change your skills around. Changing your skills only changes your play style. It does not give you a distinct advantage. It does not give you better gear than what you can buy with ISK... Your argument is invalid, your logic unfounded.
Pay to win would be like hanging out BPO's of prototype level. Or giving an item, of any type, that is better than the prototype gear. You guys need to calm down...
I am Caldari, but that does not mean I support our alliance with the Amarr..
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
339
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:38:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:How is this a pay-to-win?!?
Look at a traditional MMO. Most of these games will allow you to change your skills around. Changing your skills only changes your play style. It does not give you a distinct advantage. It does not give you better gear than what you can buy with ISK... Your argument is invalid, your logic unfounded.
Pay to win would be like hanging out BPO's of prototype level. Or giving an item, of any type, that is better than the prototype gear. You guys need to calm down...
Yeah its common practice in MMOs, but that doesn't change the fact that it gives someone who is willing to spend money an advantage. P2W doesn't just come in the form of assets or abilities, and being able to switch up skills at a moment's notice without penalty as opposed to someone who has to spend weeks to get that same skill is a HUGE advantage.
Of course I'm assuming the worst here, CCP could cap it's uses.
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Stevez Wingyip
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:39:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Lost Apollo wrote:How is this a pay-to-win?!?
Look at a traditional MMO. Most of these games will allow you to change your skills around. Changing your skills only changes your play style. It does not give you a distinct advantage. It does not give you better gear than what you can buy with ISK... Your argument is invalid, your logic unfounded.
Pay to win would be like hanging out BPO's of prototype level. Or giving an item, of any type, that is better than the prototype gear. You guys need to calm down... Yeah its common practice in MMOs, but that doesn't change the fact that it gives someone who is willing to spend money an advantage. P2W doesn't just come in the form of assets or abilities, and being able to switch up skills at a moment's notice without penalty as opposed to someone who has to spend weeks to get that same skill is a HUGE advantage. Of course I'm assuming the worst here, CCP could cap it's uses.
Why would they cap? That limits sales which is all they care about at this rate :( I hope I am being over paranoid but this respec change scares me too much. |
Lost Apollo
RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:44:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Lost Apollo wrote:How is this a pay-to-win?!?
Look at a traditional MMO. Most of these games will allow you to change your skills around. Changing your skills only changes your play style. It does not give you a distinct advantage. It does not give you better gear than what you can buy with ISK... Your argument is invalid, your logic unfounded.
Pay to win would be like hanging out BPO's of prototype level. Or giving an item, of any type, that is better than the prototype gear. You guys need to calm down... Yeah its common practice in MMOs, but that doesn't change the fact that it gives someone who is willing to spend money an advantage. P2W doesn't just come in the form of assets or abilities. Being able to switch up skills at a moment's notice without penalty as opposed to someone who has to spend weeks to get that same skill is a HUGE advantage. Of course I'm assuming the worst here, CCP could cap it's uses.
I am NOT completely disagreeing with you. I really think we're going to see a lot more freakin scouts.
Let me give you an example of a mistake..
The other day I was explaining to my 8 year old son how the skills and everything worked in this game. While I went to the bathroom, he spent quite a few skill points. I now have light frames that I will never use and a few other oopsies.
I don't like the whole idea of being able to taste the flavor of the month all the time.I guess what I'm really trying to stay here is that if somebody is willing to pay CCP torespect, it doesn't just benefit the player. The refund is at an 80 percent of the original cost, ISK. You won't be making all your money back.
I am Caldari, but that does not mean I support our alliance with the Amarr..
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Duke Noobiam
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
230
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:44:00 -
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As long as it is expensive enough to prevent abuse I'm all for it. I think it needs to cost somewhere around 75k aurum.
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TRULY ELITE
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
62
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:47:00 -
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It isn't pay to win because if you keep respeccing, you'll keep losing ISK, you only get 80% from skill books and it resets everything in the tree. Yes players with billions won't be affected but most vets have saved up tons of SP so they could just get the suit anyway and + no suit is OP atm |
Lost Apollo
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:48:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:As long as it is expensive enough to prevent abuse I'm all for it. I think it needs to cost somewhere around 75k aurum.
How much is that when it comes to real world money??
I am Caldari, but that does not mean I support our alliance with the Amarr..
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
339
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:55:00 -
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TRULY ELITE wrote:It isn't pay to win because if you keep respeccing, you'll keep losing ISK, you only get 80% from skill books and it resets everything in the tree. Yes players with billions won't be affected but most vets have saved up tons of SP so they could just get the suit anyway and + no suit is OP atm How poor do you have to be to think losing only 20% is going to put a dent in your wallet. ISK will be easier to earn in 1.9, and skillbooks aren't even that expensive.
Knight Soiaire
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
339
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:58:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:As long as it is expensive enough to prevent abuse I'm all for it. I think it needs to cost somewhere around 75k aurum. It doesn't need to be expensive you can just cap its uses, make an ISK equivalent, or make it cost AUR + A % of SP based on the Skill's multiplier.
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
3666
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:00:00 -
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Stevez Wingyip wrote:Yep, terrible change and a very clear statement that CCP will change their polices instantly without informing us. They stated a year ago or so that they will NOT BE DOING ANY MORE RESPECS. And now, by allowing them, we are going to have flavour of the month 100% in most matches. I'm quite tired of this same argument being posted time and time again.
So, what if CCP stated a year ago that they wouldn't be doing any more respecs? They stated many things in the past that never came to be or they had gone back on. Are you really going to hold this against them? They're a company providing a service which they hope to turn a profit from. The addition of purchasable respecs is nothing more than a smart business move that will ultimately help CCP in continuing to provide this service to its consumers.
Additionally, please stop this "FOTM" bullshit already. What fit of the month could possibly be left for anyone who has been here at least half a year? If players are not skilled into Scouts, then I can guarantee you they at the very least have a Heavy. If players are not skilled into the Combat Rifle, I can guarantee you that they have at least a few points into the Rail Rifle.
This "FOTM" crap needs to go. There is no possible way for it to worsen past this point. Everyone has everything and in order to stay relevant and competitive, they resort to what works best.
I'm sitting on a nice amount of SP with all necessary core and passive skills fully upgraded. I have several suits that I am able to wear at Proto level along with 90% of all infantry weapons up to at least operations five. I have what I need to stay relevant. However, unlike you and so many others, I am not opposed to the idea of respecs. I may not need one, but I will purchase and use one just because it will be available.
Will I lose out on ISK? Yes. Will I waste my time by redistributing all points into the same exact skills? Of course, but in the end this is really my way of saying "thanks" to CCP for their efforts in trying to stay relevant to not only my interests, but the interests of many more who have waited for the opprtunity to fix and amend the mistakes they have made early on in their Dust careers. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:09:00 -
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I'm afraid it is not pay to win. At least no more so than anything we already have in game.
It does not give something that people who pay for free cannot get..... well by that I mean guy A with lots of money buys a respec to go into FOTM or what ever , guy B with no money can do the exact same as long as he is smart, skills into good things or saves up his accumulated SP.
You soon discover that in EVE games its always better to have a little of everything and slowly branch out to every role :D
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
341
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:10:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Stevez Wingyip wrote:Yep, terrible change and a very clear statement that CCP will change their polices instantly without informing us. They stated a year ago or so that they will NOT BE DOING ANY MORE RESPECS. And now, by allowing them, we are going to have flavour of the month 100% in most matches. I'm quite tired of this same argument being posted time and time again. So, what if CCP stated a year ago that they wouldn't be doing any more respecs? They stated many things in the past that never came to be or they had gone back on. Are you really going to hold this against them? They're a company providing a service which they hope to turn a profit from. The addition of purchasable respecs is nothing more than a smart business move that will ultimately help CCP in continuing to provide this service to its consumers. Additionally, please stop this "FOTM" bullsh it already. What fit of the month could possibly be left for anyone who has been here at least half a year? If players are not skilled into Scouts, then I can guarantee you they at the very least have a Heavy. If players are not skilled into the Combat Rifle, I can guarantee you that they have at least a few points into the Rail Rifle. This "FOTM" crap needs to go. There is no possible way for it to worsen past this point. Everyone has everything and in order to stay relevant and competitive, they resort to what works best. I'm sitting on a nice amount of SP with all necessary core and passive skills fully upgraded. I have several suits that I am able to wear at Proto level along with 90% of all infantry weapons up to at least operations five. I have what I need to stay relevant. However, unlike you and so many others, I am not opposed to the idea of respecs. I may not need one, but I will purchase and use one just because it will be available. Will I lose out on ISK? Yes. Will I waste my time by redistributing all points into the same exact skills? Of course, but in the end this is really my way of saying "thanks" to CCP for their efforts in trying to stay relevant to not only my interests, but the interests of many more who have waited for the opprtunity to fix and amend the mistakes they have made early on in their Dust careers. I'm not against respecs, I've never been against them, but I do think if this service is going to be added, it should be available for all and not just those willing to pay.
Make an ISK equivalent, make it expensive or less effective.
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Duke Noobiam
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
230
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:52:00 -
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Lost Apollo wrote:Duke Noobiam wrote:As long as it is expensive enough to prevent abuse I'm all for it. I think it needs to cost somewhere around 75k aurum. How much is that when it comes to real world money??
Around $37 USD
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Teeee Bone
C0M8AT V3T3RANS
129
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:59:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Refunds and Resets only purchasable through AUR. Hm. Can we get more details of this system, can you do it whenever or is there a limit? Agreed. Make respec purchasable by both aurum and ISK. Insane amount of ISK though.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
433
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:08:00 -
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in exchange fro changing your skills/resetting sp. you don't get the next 2-3 weekly caps perhaps?
to solve this lore wise: the changes to and removal of neural pathways is a painful process and as a result the brains capacity to create new pathways is heavily slowed down to compensate for its recent changes and re-alignment of both pathways and neural interfaces. this slowed down process, even with todays technology can be slow to recover from. as a result the merc in question is slower to adapt and learn new ways on the battlefield.
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Everything Dies
LIFE IS KILLING ME
1044
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:05:00 -
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Umm...the people that are most likely to be labeled "FOTM chasers" are vets that probably have many of the skills needed to chase the next FOTM the moment it is introduced; the purchasable respec probably won't impact them nearly as much as you all are making it out to be.
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Kalante Schiffer
YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:31:00 -
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and people who get respects are still bad |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:07:00 -
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Respecs are not pay to win. If one person bought a respec and the other person didn't, with careful planning and consideration there is no power difference.
However, there is something that does make the game P2W: "All Boosters (including Passive, Active and Faction Boosters) can now be stacked up to three for cumulative effect."
This means that If I pay an obscene amount of money compared to someone who doesn't I can get up to 5,508,000 SP a week. Yeah...
24,000 a day, 168,000 a week. 750,000 a week added active. Times 6 for 3 Omega boosters...
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
4375
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:09:00 -
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The trick to making F2P games is to be on the edge of P2W... without falling off.
I don't believe this is pay to win. This is pay to undo mistakes, and it has an additional ISK penalty associated with it as well.
I think it will probably be cost prohibitive for most to respec every time the meta changes.
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
4751
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:29:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:Refunds and Resets only purchasable through AUR. Hm. Can we get more details of this system, can you do it whenever or is there a limit? You could just do your research before spending your Skill Points and not have to pay for a respec.
A stupidity tax is not Pay to Play.
For instance, anyone who skilled into the Rail Rifle thinking it would be a good close quarter combat weapon did not do their research or they are an idiot. Those people can now literally pay for that mistake.
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
342
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Posted - 2014.10.28 16:30:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The trick to making F2P games is to be on the edge of P2W... without falling off.
I don't believe this is pay to win. This is pay to undo mistakes, and it has an additional ISK penalty associated with it as well.
I think it will probably be cost prohibitive for most to respec every time the meta changes. They're stuck on the ledge because we haven't got any details yet, the details will dictate whether they go over or not.
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