DUST Search - Dust needs a 3rd person option

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking.

Ironic given that people use to complain back when Dust had no iron sights.

Regardless, you fail to remember that people in first person tend to have an inherent ability to track targets better when in ADS because both sides of the screen are widely open, while 3rd person inherently has less zoom and obscures part of your view because of the body of your character model.

3rd and 1st person could be balanced, but people are simply looking at small problems instead of seeing solutions.

I've played plenty of games that allow both. I'm telling you, there is no sensible way to balance them, because these advantage are incomparable. In every single game, the competitive gameplay is dominated by TPSers, to the point that people would make FPS locked lobnies so they dont have to deal with TPS shenanigans. You cannot balance around it in any way that makes any sense.

I don't meant to sound like a ****, but if you want to play a TPS, go somewhere else.

Solutions, the name of the game is solutions. You can't overcome an obstacle if you never try.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5572	Posted - 2014.10.27 01:59:00 - [1] - Quote I sight the following as my evidence for Dust having 3rd person as an option. Gears of War Modern Warfare 2 Star Wars: Battlefront (skip to 0:52) Uncharted 3 Max Payne 3 Ghost Recon: Future Soldier (Take note of cloaking mechanics as well) I believe the evidence speaks for itself. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lost Apollo RISE of LEGION 13	Posted - 2014.10.27 02:32:00 - [2] - Quote I think I've said it a hundred times, dust 514 needs a third person action I am Caldari, but that does not mean I support our alliance with the Amarr..
Atiim 13179	Posted - 2014.10.27 02:40:00 - [3] - Quote As cool as this would be, it would be very unfair to Nova Knife and Shotgun users. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5574	Posted - 2014.10.27 02:42:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: As cool as this would be, it would be very unfair to Nova Knife and Shotgun users. How? It would allow them a greater field of vision to better predict the direction of enemies. I can't see anything but good coming from this. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1982	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:54:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: As cool as this would be, it would be very unfair to Nova Knife and Shotgun users. How? It would allow them a greater field of vision to better predict the direction of enemies. Isn't that part of the problem inherent in this idea though. The limited 1st person perspective of this game is part of what generates a connection to your character. I am my merc and all that. By making it a 3rd person game not only to you create a situation where players have unnaturally large field of vision but you also disassociate the player from their character. This would be awful in the sense that I would loose the connection that makes every action I take so visceral and meaningful. I for one am truly opposed to 3rd person views becoming a part of this game. It looks like there are plenty of other games which include 3rd person elements. Why aren't you playing those if you like the experience so much? Now with more evil.
Vicious Minotaur 1268	Posted - 2014.10.27 05:17:00 - [6] - Quote I have always preferred First-Person action over that of Third-Person. The second DUST gets Third-Person (with regards to infantry) is the second I am done with DUST. Third-Person would make my preferred POV irrevocably irrelevant. The two cannot coexist in a competitive/tactical PVP game. Those who use First-Person would always be at a disadvantage. I am a minotaur.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5578	Posted - 2014.10.27 09:33:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Atiim wrote: As cool as this would be, it would be very unfair to Nova Knife and Shotgun users. How? It would allow them a greater field of vision to better predict the direction of enemies. Isn't that part of the problem inherent in this idea though. The limited 1st person perspective of this game is part of what generates a connection to your character. I am my merc and all that. By making it a 3rd person game not only to you create a situation where players have unnaturally large field of vision but you also disassociate the player from their character. This would be awful in the sense that I would loose the connection that makes every action I take so visceral and meaningful. I for one am truly opposed to 3rd person views becoming a part of this game. It looks like there are plenty of other games which include 3rd person elements. Why aren't you playing those if you like the experience so much? Cause I like Dust. Also I'm proposing an option not a forced setting. If you wanted to keep first person you could and it would be fine Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5578	Posted - 2014.10.27 09:36:00 - [8] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I have always preferred First-Person action over that of Third-Person. The second DUST gets Third-Person (with regards to infantry) is the second I am done with DUST. Third-Person would make my preferred POV irrevocably irrelevant. The two cannot coexist in a competitive/tactical PVP game. Those who use First-Person would always be at a disadvantage. This is not true. I cite all four of the Star Wars: Battlefront Games where both coexisted and people did not complain about either being OP. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Vicious Minotaur 1271	Posted - 2014.10.27 10:00:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I have always preferred First-Person action over that of Third-Person. The second DUST gets Third-Person (with regards to infantry) is the second I am done with DUST. Third-Person would make my preferred POV irrevocably irrelevant. The two cannot coexist in a competitive/tactical PVP game. Those who use First-Person would always be at a disadvantage. This is not true. I cite all four of the Star Wars: Battlefront Games where both coexisted and people did not complain about either being OP. I hardly consider SW:Battlefront a competitive/tactical PVP game. Disclamer: When I think of a competitive/tactical PVP game, I immediately think: CS1.6. When I played the game (just the first one), it felt like a rather laid back, casual arcady shooter. And never mind that those games had both perspectives from the get-go. (and even then, using First-Person would still put you at a disadvantage) Different game, different playerbase, different atmosphere, different stakes. You are comparing apples to head lice. I am a minotaur.
Black Squggulle Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 23	Posted - 2014.10.27 10:38:00 - [10] - Quote How about Remote explosives while hacking objectives..and if dust will be 3rd person...it would be likely unfair for shotgun and knives user as some guys said As a man sow, shall he reap. and I know that talk is cheap. But the heat of the battle is as sweet as the victory.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5583	Posted - 2014.10.27 18:54:00 - [11] - Quote Black Squggulle wrote: How about Remote explosives while hacking objectives..and if dust will be 3rd person...it would be likely unfair for shotgun and knives user as some guys said Most people don't notice remote explosives even when they're looking straight at it so I doubt there would be much of a difference. Shotgun and Knife users would also get a huge benefit from being able to see more. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5583	Posted - 2014.10.27 18:56:00 - [12] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I have always preferred First-Person action over that of Third-Person. The second DUST gets Third-Person (with regards to infantry) is the second I am done with DUST. Third-Person would make my preferred POV irrevocably irrelevant. The two cannot coexist in a competitive/tactical PVP game. Those who use First-Person would always be at a disadvantage. This is not true. I cite all four of the Star Wars: Battlefront Games where both coexisted and people did not complain about either being OP. I hardly consider SW:Battlefront a competitive/tactical PVP game. Disclamer: When I think of a competitive/tactical PVP game, I immediately think: CS1.6. When I played the game (just the first one), it felt like a rather laid back, casual arcady shooter. And never mind that those games had both perspectives from the get-go. (and even then, using First-Person would still put you at a disadvantage) Different game, different playerbase, different atmosphere, different stakes. You are comparing apples to head lice. If the gameplay of Battlefront wasn't tactical then Dust definitely isn't. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3299	Posted - 2014.10.27 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Corner camping is fun for everyone! /sarcasm Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5584	Posted - 2014.10.27 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Corner camping is fun for everyone! /sarcasm Because shotgun scouts and HMG heavies don't do this already. Corner camping isn't anything that an M1 grenade won't fix. Also in all reasonable scenarios camping would actually be reduced not increased. All issues that have been brought up so far have either been nit picky, irrelevant or simply untrue. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 113	Posted - 2014.10.27 20:03:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: As cool as this would be, it would be very unfair to Nova Knife and Shotgun users. I don't think the field of view would be that big, and even if it was both those type of players are ruining this game. Stealth doesn't belong as a general setting in warfare. Only in occasion it does. People that can't achieve greatness without exploitation don't deserve to exist. Enroll in scout erradication today.
Ripcord19981 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 667	Posted - 2014.10.28 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote not really for this idea. I play another game on PC, face of mankind. Both 3rd person and first person are available but 1st person is obsolete and uselees because 3rd person lets u see things around the corner, aim better, more awareness, etc. This wil kill dust if introduced especially cuz CCP will now have another headache they have to handle (balancing the 2 views). I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5611	Posted - 2014.10.28 01:33:00 - [17] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: not really for this idea. I play another game on PC, face of mankind. Both 3rd person and first person are available but 1st person is obsolete and uselees because 3rd person lets u see things around the corner, aim better, more awareness, etc. This wil kill dust if introduced especially cuz CCP will now have another headache they have to handle (balancing the 2 views). What if a high amount of "momentum sway" was added in third person. Kind of like in Gears of War where your camera zooms in and rocks back and forth while travelling. You have this sway only in third person, but not in first person. Sounds more than fair. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 664	Posted - 2014.10.28 01:55:00 - [18] - Quote I'm going to have to disagree with you Aztec. No TPS. I've never played a game that has both 1st and 3rd person where the third person players don't have an inherent advantage. It throws a wrench into balance. GÇó3rd person allows the player to look over/around cover without exposing themselves. GÇó3rd person allows the player to see behind them and in front of them at the same time. A very strong awareness advantage. GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking. Swag-suit4lyfe!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5612	Posted - 2014.10.28 02:01:00 - [19] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking. Ironic given that people use to complain back when Dust had no iron sights. Regardless, you fail to remember that people in first person tend to have an inherent ability to track targets better when in ADS because both sides of the screen are widely open, while 3rd person inherently has less zoom and obscures part of your view because of the body of your character model. 3rd and 1st person could be balanced, but people are simply looking at small problems instead of seeing solutions. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 664	Posted - 2014.10.28 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking. Ironic given that people use to complain back when Dust had no iron sights. Regardless, you fail to remember that people in first person tend to have an inherent ability to track targets better when in ADS because both sides of the screen are widely open, while 3rd person inherently has less zoom and obscures part of your view because of the body of your character model. 3rd and 1st person could be balanced, but people are simply looking at small problems instead of seeing solutions. I've played plenty of games that allow both. I'm telling you, there is no sensible way to balance them, because these advantage are incomparable. In every single game, the competitive gameplay is dominated by TPSers, to the point that people would make FPS locked lobnies so they dont have to deal with TPS shenanigans. You cannot balance around it in any way that makes any sense. I don't meant to sound like a ****, but if you want to play a TPS, go somewhere else. Swag-suit4lyfe!

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5613	Posted - 2014.10.28 02:10:00 - [21] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking. Ironic given that people use to complain back when Dust had no iron sights. Regardless, you fail to remember that people in first person tend to have an inherent ability to track targets better when in ADS because both sides of the screen are widely open, while 3rd person inherently has less zoom and obscures part of your view because of the body of your character model. 3rd and 1st person could be balanced, but people are simply looking at small problems instead of seeing solutions. I've played plenty of games that allow both. I'm telling you, there is no sensible way to balance them, because these advantage are incomparable. In every single game, the competitive gameplay is dominated by TPSers, to the point that people would make FPS locked lobnies so they dont have to deal with TPS shenanigans. You cannot balance around it in any way that makes any sense. I don't meant to sound like a ****, but if you want to play a TPS, go somewhere else. Solutions, the name of the game is solutions. You can't overcome an obstacle if you never try. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 664	Posted - 2014.10.28 02:13:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: GÇó3rd person allows better "aiming down sights". Removing the actual ironsights from the screen allows for better target acquisition and tracking. Ironic given that people use to complain back when Dust had no iron sights. Regardless, you fail to remember that people in first person tend to have an inherent ability to track targets better when in ADS because both sides of the screen are widely open, while 3rd person inherently has less zoom and obscures part of your view because of the body of your character model. 3rd and 1st person could be balanced, but people are simply looking at small problems instead of seeing solutions. I've played plenty of games that allow both. I'm telling you, there is no sensible way to balance them, because these advantage are incomparable. In every single game, the competitive gameplay is dominated by TPSers, to the point that people would make FPS locked lobnies so they dont have to deal with TPS shenanigans. You cannot balance around it in any way that makes any sense. I don't meant to sound like a ****, but if you want to play a TPS, go somewhere else. Solutions, the name of the game is solutions. You can't overcome an obstacle if you never try. Why create an obstacle in the first place, where there isn't one? The game doesn't need their like you say it does. You just want it. Swag-suit4lyfe!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5613	Posted - 2014.10.28 02:18:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Why create an obstacle in the first place, where there isn't one? The game doesn't need their like you say it does. You just want it. Of course I want it. I used the word need as an exaggeration in a way of saying "this is so awesome how can we not have it: you need to include it OMG ". So yeah, it's a feature that I would like to see I'm this game and that I truly believe could be included in this game in a balanced fashion. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Vicious Minotaur 1272	Posted - 2014.10.28 04:06:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: If the gameplay of Battlefront wasn't tactical then Dust definitely isn't. I don't recall explicitly stating that Battlefront wasn't at all tactical. But technicalities and irrelevant labels aside: No matter how you slice it, DUST is currently an FPS, which as you know, stands for First-Person Shooter. The POV is directly tied to the genre that this game is in. Allow for Third-Person, and the game is changed fundamentally. It ceases to be an FPS. Changing DUST fundamentally this late into the game with the amount of resources available is nothing short of foolhardy. If you want third person in an EVE infantry shooter, go over to LEGION GD and try to get those mute and secretive devs to tackle the fundamental balance problems associated with FP/TP. They have the manpower and maybe the resources to do it, and the game is not even in Alpha; changes are much easier for a game the earlier it is in development. I am a minotaur.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 236	Posted - 2014.10.28 04:12:00 - [25] - Quote I think an integrated 3rd person mode might be a nice touch/feature, but Dust should remain primarily an FPS. You can route your visor to a small, deployable Drone that follows you around behind your shoulder(s). You can deploy a (rechargeable?) Nano-Drone (indestructible) that will let you view in 3rd person for a short period of time. One feature I really like from Ghost Recon: Phantoms is moving in 3rd person, but ADS in first person. This might be cool along with the Drone-camera integration. daddy Rattati lovin' his stati's!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5627	Posted - 2014.10.28 10:32:00 - [26] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: If the gameplay of Battlefront wasn't tactical then Dust definitely isn't. I don't recall explicitly stating that Battlefront wasn't at all tactical. But technicalities and irrelevant labels aside: No matter how you slice it, DUST is currently an FPS, which as you know, stands for First-Person Shooter. The POV is directly tied to the genre that this game is in. Allow for Third-Person, and the game is changed fundamentally. It ceases to be an FPS. Changing DUST fundamentally this late into the game with the amount of resources available is nothing short of foolhardy. If you want third person in an EVE infantry shooter, go over to LEGION GD and try to get those mute and secretive devs to tackle the fundamental balance problems associated with FP/TP. They have the manpower and maybe the resources to do it, and the game is not even in Alpha; changes are much easier for a game the earlier it is in development. Already did ;) Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5627	Posted - 2014.10.28 10:33:00 - [27] - Quote Samuel Zelik wrote: I think an integrated 3rd person mode might be a nice touch/feature, but Dust should remain primarily an FPS. You can route your visor to a small, deployable Drone that follows you around behind your shoulder(s). You can deploy a (rechargeable?) Nano-Drone (indestructible) that will let you view in 3rd person for a short period of time. One feature I really like from Ghost Recon: Phantoms is moving in 3rd person, but ADS in first person. This might be cool along with the Drone-camera integration. I dig it. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5352	Posted - 2014.10.28 12:56:00 - [28] - Quote /me sees people who didn't play Planetside (the first one) >Run down narrow corridor till you find a corner >Stand behind corner >Switch to 3rd Person >Look down hallway while completely invisible to anyone coming toward you >Pull out Shotgun >Win everything ever This will never not be a bad idea, alright? There is no possible reason why a third person view should be implemented. Hell, I'd support removing 3rd person from vehicles if they'd put in some workable first-person views for Dropships. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3312	Posted - 2014.10.28 16:55:00 - [29] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: /me sees people who didn't play Planetside (the first one) >Run down narrow corridor till you find a corner >Stand behind corner >Switch to 3rd Person >Look down hallway while completely invisible to anyone coming toward you >Pull out Shotgun >Win everything ever This will never not be a bad idea, alright? There is no possible reason why a third person view should be implemented. Hell, I'd support removing 3rd person from vehicles if they'd put in some workable first-person views for Dropships. And this is why I don't play TPS games. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5628	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:00:00 - [30] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: /me sees people who didn't play Planetside (the first one) >Run down narrow corridor till you find a corner >Stand behind corner >Switch to 3rd Person >Look down hallway while completely invisible to anyone coming toward you >Pull out Shotgun >Win everything ever This will never not be a bad idea, alright? There is no possible reason why a third person view should be implemented. Hell, I'd support removing 3rd person from vehicles if they'd put in some workable first-person views for Dropships. And this is why I don't play TPS games. Just make it so that you can only look at what your player is directly looking at and set the camera to show only the upper torso of the player. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.



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