Huh, missed that. Yes, the optimal is definitely not 150. The effective is only 110.

Here is Musta Tornius' very thorough testing of the weapon. Admittedly, he didn't really get into the range profile post-1.8, but the effective range is known to be 110.

Fanfest happened and so I never really got a chance to talk/work with them about the "new" range/damage curve, which supposedly made it so that it was more effective at closer ranges, at least according to the devs, though they were light on details. Never could get Wolfman to come out of his cave and tell us what the exact change was.

Nonetheless, it wasn't presented as some kind of total overhaul, so I suspect you probably just take the original damage curve, and stretch it slightly so the plateau is a little wider, ending at 105. My guess is that the origin on the y axis is also higher now, that would seem to be the easiest way to make it work better at close range. But I'm not really sure TBH.


...and while I'm linking threads, might as well pimp my LR guide too.

I was fairly certain the optimal was 65-105m, and it falls off very after that.

Outside of that -- the damage is NOT based on heat as a lot of y'all have stated. It is based on time fired.

Now the above is just my opinion -- but in my experience the following happens.

I shoot at and melt a target. I am at 85% heat when he dies.

I stop shooting switch targets and start firing. I am at 60% heat or so when I start shooting. I am doing the same damage I did when I was at 0% heat.

So it feels to me that constant firing increases damage - but that stopping firing for even a second resets the damage despite heat.

A major reason I am the godfather of tactical logisticsGäó(lol) is that I definitely do not have the raw gungame of a Mortedeamor or Viktor. As such I personally find I need the Amarr assault bonus to really do well with it. It's also not a great choice for the two roles I generally find myself in: tight frontline support or lonewolf infiltrator logi.
(Attracts too much attention when you are all alone and is not flexible enough to be a great complement to following around the big boys in close quarters.)

When I feel like burning heretics I grab my assault suit. I do have one fit still with an LR on my Amarr logi, but I use it less and less for various reasons, the biggest one is probably that the more I got used to the assault bonus the more I tended to overheat in the logi suit as my internal timer is set to the assault.

I understand the weapon and can explain it's use pretty well (I am in large part an educator by trade IRL) but sadly that does not directly translate into being a killing machine. If I remember correctly, Morte uses an Amarr logi a fair amount of the time and seems to do pretty well. If you have solid gungame I'd say it is a very viable fit. Wouldn't recommend it for any of the non-sidearm logi suits, of course.

*****Yes, this is indeed a lot of asterisks. Aren't they pretty /derpface engaged

A major reason I am the godfather of tactical logisticsGäó(lol) is that I definitely do not have the raw gungame of a Mortedeamor or Viktor. As such I personally find I need the Amarr assault bonus to really do well with it. It's also not a great choice for the two roles I generally find myself in: tight frontline support or lonewolf infiltrator logi.
(Attracts too much attention when you are all alone and is not flexible enough to be a great complement to following around the big boys in close quarters.)

When I feel like burning heretics I grab my assault suit. I do have one fit still with an LR on my Amarr logi, but I use it less and less for various reasons, the biggest one is probably that the more I got used to the assault bonus the more I tended to overheat in the logi suit as my internal timer is set to the assault.

I understand the weapon and can explain it's use pretty well (I am in large part an educator by trade IRL) but sadly that does not directly translate into being a killing machine. If I remember correctly, Morte uses an Amarr logi a fair amount of the time and seems to do pretty well. If you have solid gungame I'd say it is a very viable fit. Wouldn't recommend it for any of the non-sidearm logi suits, of course.

Huh, missed that. Yes, the optimal is definitely not 150. The effective is only 110.

Here is Musta Tornius' very thorough testing of the weapon. Admittedly, he didn't really get into the range profile post-1.8, but the effective range is known to be 110.

Fanfest happened and so I never really got a chance to talk/work with them about the "new" range/damage curve, which supposedly made it so that it was more effective at closer ranges, at least according to the devs, though they were light on details. Never could get Wolfman to come out of his cave and tell us what the exact change was.

Nonetheless, it wasn't presented as some kind of total overhaul, so I suspect you probably just take the original damage curve, and stretch it slightly so the plateau is a little wider, ending at 105. My guess is that the origin on the y axis is also higher now, that would seem to be the easiest way to make it work better at close range. But I'm not really sure TBH.


...and while I'm linking threads, might as well pimp my LR guide too.

slower ads sensitivity is all it needs.

ADS sensitivity is out of balance with other weapons in ADS. My best guess is when they increased the LR zoom a bit in 1.8 they didn't adjust the ADS sensitivity by the proportional amount. That's my biggest gripe. It could do with a small range buff, maybe extending the falloff by 10-15m or so, or bumping the optimal out by 5-10m.

There are a TON of drawbacks to the LR, mainly because it's a fairly complicated weapon that is very situational. You're basically required to run a brick tanked Amarr assault suit with stacked damage mods and nano hives. It is the king of assists, which means you'll be getting much lower payouts. You are a highly visible target, who can't stray too far from your nano hive, and you're very slow. This makes you a perfect target for snipers, cloaked scouts, forge snipers and HMG heavies in LAVs. Your best bet is to get on a high point that requires a dropship and is the right distance from where the action is. If it's too close, you'll be destroyed by RRs, too far and you'll have to leave the safety of your perch which will pretty-much guarantee a shotgun to the back. You can't really dictate range, and instead have to react to the tactical situation on the ground. However, if you have good squad support and a squadmate with a scout hunter fit with high passive scan precision nearby, and you can get in that 100m sweetspot, you can really cause some serious pain. I'd really like to see that ADS sensitivity fixed though, that would make a huge difference.

You do appear to have asterisk prof 5, lol.

Anyway, I am actually planning on trying out the AScR again once the "balance" hotfix comes through, sounds like it's going to be pretty awesome - it was always underrated, imo, and with even less dispersion than before and back to the old heat buildup it's going to be a nice precision weapon. I used it a ton before 1.7.

In the meantime, though, you kinda talked yourself through what I've done, actually. I used the MD for a long time (particularly when everything else had broken hit detection) and it does work great on the Amarr logi suit, no question. (I don't particularly like the assault variant, the low splash damage kills it for me.)

But, since, as you pointed out, PG is the killer of the Amarr suit, I use an ACR (used to use the STD CR but since it got nerfed I like the ACR better now) since it uses almost no PG at all. So, while it does get me some snide comments in the PIE channel sometimes, the absurdly low fitting costs are just too good to pass up.

NOOO leave my ******* lr alone this thread is completely irrelevant lr is bloody well fine get good

Oh yeah, I know all about BPO addiction; I've got the full Dren and Templar sets on another character, plus the Covenant set on that same toon, a Guristas saga on a third, and on this one the Sever Sent A-I and Assault C-I (even though I have no CalSalt investment at all), and the Quafe Assault A-I.

The Quafe scouts do tempt me even now... but quite honestly I'd rather have a Quafe logi.

That being said, I think I'll just end up trying the CR, AR, and BAR on my current AmLogi setups, see if I get a feel for what I like better.

Now if only the CR had more bass... that would probably make it a little bit easier to decide.

Yeah, I'd like it to have about 5 maybe 10 more optimal myself, (you are correct Morte my aim is definitely bad, I need help, lol)

As for the AR, I actually thought about it for about 30 sec last night while I was redoing some fits, then decided to just leave the ACRs and Templar ScR (I'm addicted to BPOs) for now and wait to see how things work after the next hotfix and 1.9 before really changing things up.

Personally I'd really like the AScR to become very good again, then maybe convice Rattati to make a STD variant as part of the LP store changes and buff the Amarr Logi PG so I can be as racially pure as possible considering FW is almost all I do nowadays.

Haha, no worries Morte, my aim isn't that great, I've come to accept it.

That said, I've been playing dust a fair bit the past week, and it seems like maybe I'm doing it wrong now. I always thought you were crazy saying you don't "preheat" much and use it inside of 60m, but I tried it that way a little, and while I didn't exactly go 40/1, it worked much better than I thought it would. I guess you can be a little more aggressive with it now than in the past.
Who knew?

It does not require brick tanked suits all My amar assaults have 636 armor max

or you could get used to the sensitivity difference like the rest of the laser rifle users

Me and Victor seem to do just fine with it

As for heat up I've squeezed 2 proto suits into 1 beam ..I've killed 5 to 9 mediocre suits before reloading

anyone who does poorly with lr has either a bad fit or bad aim the Gun is perfect

What are you putting in your lows? I shouldn't have to get used to the sensitivity difference, it should feel like other weapons when ADSing. Weapons shouldn't be radically better/worse when using a mouse.