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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:19:00 -
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If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair"
What's wrong with this picture???
Scouts are the annoying selfish little brother that wants all his toys and you can't play with them but them takes yours and you can't say anything about it!!!
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4063
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:29:00 -
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In my experience, scout frequently say no.
My advice to you, playa...
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:31:00 -
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I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? |
X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
378
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:33:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults?
becuse they dont want to be weighed down, i personaly i like scouts as they are now aside from the fact that they can have both ewar and bricked hp, it should be one or the other not both, not to say either should be removed just saying it should be one or the other when making your fit and if you want best of both out have to compromise each.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
161
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:34:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults?
Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
161
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:36:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:In my experience, scout frequently say no.
Scout says NO
Make scout YES 
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:09:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700.
a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range
if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr)
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Joel II X
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3993
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:13:00 -
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Actually, I posted several times on how to nerf the scout without killing the role in entirety.
Since this is a troll thread, I won't be making such post here. Good day, sir. |
Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:14:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:[quote=Bright Steel]
a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay
wrong, I will you figure it out why you are wrong by yourself.
hint: tank fitted scout still has higher strafe speed than unfitted minmatar assault
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
163
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:15:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700. a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr)
"Most scans? You mean most scouts scans.
"Slow as..." Compared to scouts?
But then your not building a scout but an assault and I might add an assault that is only inferior to other scouts stats.
Yes they make poor scouts but exceptional assaults
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
163
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:18:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Actually, I posted several times on how to nerf the scout without killing the role in entirety.
Since this is a troll thread, I won't be making such post here. Good day, sir.
Not trolling simply pointing out the one sided attitude of scouts in all the "scout threads"
There are many good ideas that get blocked unfortunately.
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:19:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700. a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr) "Most scans? You mean most scouts scans. "Slow as..." Compared to scouts? But then your not building a scout but an assault and I might add an assault that is only inferior to other scouts stats. Yes they make poor scouts but exceptional assaults
I mean that wonderful piece of equipment nobody thinks to use, the active scanner |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3862
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:23:00 -
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You mean the active scanner that a scout can sneak under by being cloaked without fail?
THAT scanner?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4067
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:24:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair" Scouts are doing what most players would do when you are deeply entrenched in a playstyle: defending it. It's normal, expected human behavior.
We have to approach them with numbers. You can't argue with objective data.
Personally, let scouts keep their walk/sprint speeds. Let them keep their passive scans. Let them keep their two equipment slots.
Reduce light dropsuits strafing speeds to levels comparable to medium dropsuits. Stop strafing from being the Dust equivalent to matrix-dodging. That is the primary reason scouts win 1v1's right now.
My advice to you, playa...
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
163
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:25:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Said assault LIKE HP not equal or greater too. Proper scouting fit on a scout leaves about 200-400 HP and not 500-700. a scout with 500-700 ehp will be slow as **** or have a big shield recharge delay, have a poor repair or recharge rate, be able to be seen by most scans, only able to pick up other brick tanked scouts and at poor small range if people are trying to turn scouts into assaults because the assault suits have **** bonuses (barring the Amarr) "Most scans? You mean most scouts scans. "Slow as..." Compared to scouts? But then your not building a scout but an assault and I might add an assault that is only inferior to other scouts stats. Yes they make poor scouts but exceptional assaults I mean that wonderful piece of equipment nobody thinks to use, the active scanner
Actually a scout that is vested in dampening beats all but proto scanners with out damps so that's not most scanners
Rather that's the best scanners that are a ***** to fit
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:25:00 -
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Not brick tanked scouts, remember, the thing you were complaining about |
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
163
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:31:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair" Scouts are doing what most players would do when you are deeply entrenched in a playstyle: defending it. It's normal, expected human behavior. We have to approach them with numbers. You can't argue with objective data. Personally, let scouts keep their walk/sprint speeds. Let them keep their passive scans. Let them keep their two equipment slots. Reduce light dropsuits strafing speeds to levels comparable to medium dropsuits. Stop strafing from being the Dust equivalent to matrix-dodging. That is the primary reason scouts win 1v1's right now.
Just to clarify, I don't want scouts nerfed into the ground. I use scouts, I love scouts, but I don't think they should assault but rather scout.
Your idea is very reasonable, as are many others that have been mentioned in other threads.
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
635
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:33:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:You mean the active scanner that a scout can sneak under by being cloaked without fail?
THAT scanner?
Ah yes, the Active Scanner that has 1/300th of the coverage of good passive scans, and only lights up th enemies for a tiny fraction of the time.
Ah yes. They're so powerful and good at detecting scouts... much better than actual scouts.
#allhailthescoutgodracedoersofeverything
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
521
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:51:00 -
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Make cloak deactivate within 10 meters and 2 sec delay on shooting after weapon switch. Fixed!
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Juno Tristan
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:54:00 -
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I want scouts to be able to brick tank, but I want it so that it doesn't make sense to brick tank over running an assault suit
Scouts and heavies balance each other so either nerf both or buff assaults (preferred) |
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2221
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:56:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair"
What's wrong with this picture???
Scouts are the annoying selfish little brother that wants all his toys and you can't play with them but them takes yours and you can't say anything about it!!!
Big deal
I've been dealing with nerfs for two years.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Fizzer XCIV
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
637
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:02:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair"
What's wrong with this picture???
Scouts are the annoying selfish little brother that wants all his toys and you can't play with them but them takes yours and you can't say anything about it!!! Big deal I've been dealing with nerfs for two years.
As has everyone that has played this game in the last two years.
Stop trying to make vehicles the "special" victim. They've suffer needs just as much as everyone else.
Tumblr4theDead...
"AV is my trigger word!"
"Down with the infantarchy!"
"I'm a tankkin, you cis-minded AV scum!"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
4981
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:In my experience, scout frequently say no.
But you shoot me with YES 
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Mike Ox Bigger
Extremely Wicked
297
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:23:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults?
Amazing ewar even without modules combined with a smaller hit box and slightly less HP. Sorry but I'll spot you a few hundred HP if I'm able to see you and start shooting you first every time... |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2221
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:26:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Bright Steel wrote:If I say "assault should be faster"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing!"
If I say "assaults should have better EWAR"
Scout say: "NO that's our thing"
If I say "assault should have two equipment"
Logi say "NO that's our thing" mumbles "and scouts but we don't talk about that"
BUT if I say "scouts shouldn't get assault like HP"
Scout say: "NO we get that too, it's only fair"
What's wrong with this picture???
Scouts are the annoying selfish little brother that wants all his toys and you can't play with them but them takes yours and you can't say anything about it!!! Big deal I've been dealing with nerfs for two years. As has everyone that has played this game in the last two years. Stop trying to make vehicles the "special" victim. They've suffer needs just as much as everyone else. Tumblr4theDead... "AV is my trigger word!" "Down with the infantarchy!" "I'm a tankkin, you cis-minded AV scum!"
I'm not simple-minded.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2221
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:28:00 -
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Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? Amazing ewar even without modules combined with a smaller hit box and slightly less HP. Sorry but I'll spot you a few hundred HP if I'm able to see you and start shooting you first every time...
Without mods? I don't know about that. I have a scout alt and have trouble finding even Minnie scouts half the time. And before you ask, I have Gal scout to 5, as well as precision, dampening and range to 5 on it. Maybe I just have a curse on my gaming.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Gareth Verenar
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:31:00 -
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X7 lion wrote:Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults? becuse they dont want to be weighed down, i personaly i like scouts as they are now aside from the fact that they can have both ewar and bricked hp, it should be one or the other not both, not to say either should be removed just saying it should be one or the other when making your fit and if you want best of both out have to compromise each.
You can't have ewar and brick when armor plates and dampeners compete for low slots. You can't brick without plates (shields don't brick, they're EHP values are too low), and Ferroscales and Reactives are far from brickable. And if you aren't fitting those slots with mostly plates you aren't bricking. I'll never get the argument that scouts can brick and have ewar. You guys have no idea what bricking is. |
Varoth Drac
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
301
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:33:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I don't get the whole "Scouts have more EHP", assaults have a higher base and the same number of slots, how are they bricking more than assaults?
Scouts have less module slots than assaults other than standard. Scout: 4,5,6 Assault: 4,6,8.
I've seen this mistake crop up a few times recently so thought I better clarify. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4073
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Without mods? I don't know about that. I have a scout alt and have trouble finding even Minnie scouts half the time. And before you ask, I have Gal scout to 5, as well as precision, dampening and range to 5 on it. Maybe I just have a curse on my gaming. No, the TACNET is just finicky as hell. Some days it works exactly as intended, other days it won't display a sentinel 5m directly in front of you.
My advice to you, playa...
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
170
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Posted - 2014.10.23 15:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Without mods? I don't know about that. I have a scout alt and have trouble finding even Minnie scouts half the time. And before you ask, I have Gal scout to 5, as well as precision, dampening and range to 5 on it. Maybe I just have a curse on my gaming. No, the TACNET is just finicky as hell. Some days it works exactly as intended, other days it won't display a sentinel 5m directly in front of you.
This needs fixed but I think it may have to do with connection/server ping or something similar
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