DUST Search - Unnecessary deletion of posts and data transparency

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well?

The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center.

I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely.

Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated.

I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve.

Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles.

I understand but ther has to be some bounds of reason. Its our hobby but thier full time job, we don't need to nit pick into thier day to day office details. I would be pissed if a customer where i work kept on insisting on seeing my files on demand.

I would just leave it at we are changing this x stat because of the following numbers a,b, and c because of the disparity caompared to the rest of d,e, and f. Thats fair, and the devs wont have to dig around for every file we demand. ts the evidence they already looked at , just typed up for us. We dont need the day to day stuff and are not entitles to it.

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Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6637	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:30:00 - [1] - Quote Yesterday or the day before I had made a post here essentially stating that the mere mention of 'data' isn't quite as useful as providing the data itself; that I felt that whatever data CCP was looking at for balance should have been shared with the community so that we could draw our own conclusions on what we were looking at. Something that CCP Iceland (the Eve Online team) does rather frequently. And while I admit that I may have been a bit abrupt and stern (though in every way civil) with how I went about saying it, those posts (and dev/player responses as well) have since been deleted for some reason and I feel it's entirely unnecessary for something I find rather crucial to the Dev <-> Player communication. While those posts could have been considered to have been derailing the thread they were posted in, they could have very easily been moved or a warning could have been issued to stay on topic before their deletion. That being said, I brought that complaint and request to this thread, which I certainly hope won't be quite so short lived. But back on topic. Yes, more times than not the 'data' mentioned by CCP when referring to balancing issues does correlate with what the community thinks - however my primary skepticism is to what degree. That being said, this thread is being made both for discussion of a formal request for more transparency of the data being mentioned, that it be presented to the players in a way that can be easily understood, so that we can draw our own conclusions and provide our own feedback on said data. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7842	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:44:00 - [2] - Quote Hamsters can only do so much with their tiny souls. See you space cowboy...
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 293	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:49:00 - [3] - Quote Aeon - you and me, we're just going to smash our heads trying, aren't we?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17180	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:13:00 - [4] - Quote I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote It's quite simple. CCP operates the same way the US government does. When something that might seemingly undermine them in some way but benefit the community, they silently snuff it out to silence contrary positions and troublesome facts. I've had this happen before. Someone with forum authority gets butthurt about a post and just deletes it rather than actually resolving the matter in question. Civility is not recognized here. This is a place for ill intentions and inane babble only. "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:36:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And who are you trying to impress with this sort of language, IWS? Seems like ever since I've come back you've been stalking my threads and intentionally contradicting everything I've said for the sake of it. Sure, I admit it, my original post was a bit bitter and I could have handled it better. Was I 'holding someone hostage'? Not at all. I referenced instances in which data was mentioned, but not provided. I mentioned assumptions that were made that could have been construed differently if looked at in a different light - from a different angle. If that is considered 'hostage taking' and 'similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with intimidation' then we're really far gone from what the original point of all this was. This was never to make myself look like a hero - there's no point to that. It serves no purpose at all. Much like trying to villainize my efforts serves absolutely no purpose. It's a very simple request: More transparency, more information. It stands to benefit us all and I think getting bent out of shape over the semantics is childish. Oh and... This... "If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself." I find personally offensive, especially coming from a CPM representative. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:44:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And if he did this anywhere else he'd still be fine to post and play. Just because you can find one tight-ass group doesn't make it the normal, trust me on that, I've been around. And I don't think you read his OP at all. All he did was make blunt statements regarding Mod actions and transparency issues and linking community with devs further, which has always been a goal of his. Where is he taking anything information to himself to be called a hostage? Putting it bluntly - he didn't look like an ass, you did.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And if he did this anywhere else he'd still be fine to post and play. Just because you can find one tight-ass group doesn't make it the normal, trust me on that, I've been around. And I don't think you read his OP at all. All he did was make blunt statements regarding Mod actions and transparency issues and linking community with devs further, which has always been a goal of his. Where is he taking anything information to himself to be called a hostage? Putting it bluntly - he didn't look like an ass, you did. He's talking about the original posts I made in the Dispersion thread. Even if my original posts there were considered aggressive and hostile, the message I was trying to convey has been clearly lost on both those posts and this thread here. My reputation as a verbal aggressor apparently has more weight. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:51:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: SoTa Senpai wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And if he did this anywhere else he'd still be fine to post and play. Just because you can find one tight-ass group doesn't make it the normal, trust me on that, I've been around. And I don't think you read his OP at all. All he did was make blunt statements regarding Mod actions and transparency issues and linking community with devs further, which has always been a goal of his. Where is he taking anything information to himself to be called a hostage? Putting it bluntly - he didn't look like an ass, you did. He's talking about the original posts I made in the Dispersion thread. Even if my original posts there were considered aggressive and hostile, the message I was trying to convey has been clearly lost on both those posts and this thread here. My reputation as a verbal aggressor apparently has more weight. You? A verbal agressor? ... compared to who? A kitten? You're a frustrated poster, not a verbal agressor. I'm a verbal aggressor, and even then, that's no reason to denounce anything. If CCP doesn't like the method people choose to speak to them then maybe they should reconsider the methods they've made available to us to communicate to them in the first place. How am I supposed to show how PISSED I am about fanfest other then to ******* scream it at them on the forums? Is there some site I can click an 'unhappy' button? Or am I supposed to articulate every damn thing for CCP or there hurt little feelings can't handle my harsh and inconsiderate words, even if caused by them? No, there is a method of communication, it's these forums, and if you can post within those rules then CCP should listen - PERIOD. If they want to pick and choose who they listen to based on tone they'll never fix this game because it has the tendency to induce major rage.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17181	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:01:00 - [10] - Quote You can be pissed all you want but "hostage requests" are generally ignored and considered counterproductive as most will go unresponded. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked

SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:04:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You can be pissed all you want but "hostage requests" are generally ignored and considered counterproductive as Quote: most will go unresponded. Want to explain this?
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:07:00 - [12] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You can be pissed all you want but "hostage requests" are generally ignored and considered counterproductive as most will go unresponded. I'd like to know how my posts in that thread were in any way a hostage request. Please elaborate. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5319	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:29:00 - [13] - Quote This thread is so great and not even slightly for anything said in the first post. EVE 21 Day Trial Templar BPOs EVE 2nd decade CE items
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:31:00 - [14] - Quote Blah, all these Forum Warrior CPM's are useless. Just wait for the Humble Rattati to show up. Hopefully !!!! You will freaking reply to my warbarge question !!!! The hell is the blue table in the middle for now ? Make something of it ! a 2-D image of the map you are playing on for now. Pain is weakness leaving the body.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7845	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:32:00 - [15] - Quote Just to say, my post have been ranty lately and they still reply to me Even if I think CCP is a bunch of Caldari loving, red liners. ......... See you space cowboy...
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:36:00 - [16] - Quote Dude. . . They never reply to my suggestions. . . . I post and post and post with great ideas and I've never received a reply. Pain is weakness leaving the body.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1688	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:37:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7845	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:38:00 - [18] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Dude. . . They never reply to my suggestions. . . . I post and post and post with great ideas and I've never received a reply. You must learn the art of the rant ..... be warned though. I was banned 3 times before I got it right. See you space cowboy...
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6648	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:41:00 - [19] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. Sure seems like a lot of opposition for something that can only be for the better, eh? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
SoTa Senpai Ametat Security Amarr Empire 302	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:46:00 - [20] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. I second this. Seems they want us to make a different thread and say it in a nicer way or they won't listen. The **** is this, elementary? For a company who made a game that revels in lying, cheating, backstab, espionage, and all sorts of meta game bs that bring out the worst in people - this seems a bit weird.

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1691	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:49:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. Sure seems like a lot of opposition for something that can only be for the better, eh? yes i seen your post lastnight and i was very interested in the outcome. seems you have hit a sore spot and this has now become a cover up. saying your looking at the data but don't let u see some data leads me to believe there never was any data. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 175	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:52:00 - [22] - Quote Ah, now see the hilarious thing I see here on the Forums is people always request Data, from the past or even now. CCP says they'll give it out, just you wait. But it never turn up. \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6650	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:54:00 - [23] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. Sure seems like a lot of opposition for something that can only be for the better, eh? yes i seen your post lastnight and i was very interested in the outcome. seems you have hit a sore spot and this has now become a cover up. saying your looking at the data but don't let u see some data leads me to believe there never was any data. I don't doubt that the data exists, or that it was in favor of what both the community and developers' interests were. I do, however, think that we deserve to see it and I'm not in the business of doing things half-way. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 220	Posted - 2014.10.09 05:03:00 - [24] - Quote Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6650	Posted - 2014.10.09 05:09:00 - [25] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve. Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 220	Posted - 2014.10.09 06:55:00 - [26] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve. Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles. I understand but ther has to be some bounds of reason. Its our hobby but thier full time job, we don't need to nit pick into thier day to day office details. I would be pissed if a customer where i work kept on insisting on seeing my files on demand. I would just leave it at we are changing this x stat because of the following numbers a,b, and c because of the disparity caompared to the rest of d,e, and f. Thats fair, and the devs wont have to dig around for every file we demand. ts the evidence they already looked at , just typed up for us. We dont need the day to day stuff and are not entitles to it. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3767	Posted - 2014.10.09 09:12:00 - [27] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Hamsters can only do so much with their tiny souls. Sounds like we need to purchase more aur today, for the hamsters of tomorrow.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6652	Posted - 2014.10.09 09:37:00 - [28] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve. Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles. I understand but ther has to be some bounds of reason. Its our hobby but thier full time job, we don't need to nit pick into thier day to day office details. I would be pissed if a customer where i work kept on insisting on seeing my files on demand. I would just leave it at we are changing this x stat because of the following numbers a,b, and c because of the disparity caompared to the rest of d,e, and f. Thats fair, and the devs wont have to dig around for every file we demand. ts the evidence they already looked at , just typed up for us. We dont need the day to day stuff and are not entitles to it. Allow me to rephrase - I'd like to see the informational equivalent of what we're given in Eve Online dev blogs. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1342	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:20:00 - [29] - Quote Guys, be careful when discussing about forum moderation. If the forum rules would be enforced in draconian way that wouldn't be allowed at all. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1931	Posted - 2014.10.09 14:26:00 - [30] - Quote I wondered where that thread had got to. I thought maybe I was tripping balls, I am relieved to now understand that it in fact did exist at some point. Why was it deleted? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!



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