DUST Search - Unnecessary deletion of posts and data transparency

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Tesfa Alem wrote:

Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well?

The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center.

I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely.

Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated.

I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve.

Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles.

I understand but ther has to be some bounds of reason. Its our hobby but thier full time job, we don't need to nit pick into thier day to day office details. I would be pissed if a customer where i work kept on insisting on seeing my files on demand.

I would just leave it at we are changing this x stat because of the following numbers a,b, and c because of the disparity caompared to the rest of d,e, and f. Thats fair, and the devs wont have to dig around for every file we demand. ts the evidence they already looked at , just typed up for us. We dont need the day to day stuff and are not entitles to it.


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Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6637	Posted - 2014.10.09 02:30:00 - [1] - Quote Yesterday or the day before I had made a post here essentially stating that the mere mention of 'data' isn't quite as useful as providing the data itself; that I felt that whatever data CCP was looking at for balance should have been shared with the community so that we could draw our own conclusions on what we were looking at. Something that CCP Iceland (the Eve Online team) does rather frequently. And while I admit that I may have been a bit abrupt and stern (though in every way civil) with how I went about saying it, those posts (and dev/player responses as well) have since been deleted for some reason and I feel it's entirely unnecessary for something I find rather crucial to the Dev <-> Player communication. While those posts could have been considered to have been derailing the thread they were posted in, they could have very easily been moved or a warning could have been issued to stay on topic before their deletion. That being said, I brought that complaint and request to this thread, which I certainly hope won't be quite so short lived. But back on topic. Yes, more times than not the 'data' mentioned by CCP when referring to balancing issues does correlate with what the community thinks - however my primary skepticism is to what degree. That being said, this thread is being made both for discussion of a formal request for more transparency of the data being mentioned, that it be presented to the players in a way that can be easily understood, so that we can draw our own conclusions and provide our own feedback on said data. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:36:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And who are you trying to impress with this sort of language, IWS? Seems like ever since I've come back you've been stalking my threads and intentionally contradicting everything I've said for the sake of it. Sure, I admit it, my original post was a bit bitter and I could have handled it better. Was I 'holding someone hostage'? Not at all. I referenced instances in which data was mentioned, but not provided. I mentioned assumptions that were made that could have been construed differently if looked at in a different light - from a different angle. If that is considered 'hostage taking' and 'similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with intimidation' then we're really far gone from what the original point of all this was. This was never to make myself look like a hero - there's no point to that. It serves no purpose at all. Much like trying to villainize my efforts serves absolutely no purpose. It's a very simple request: More transparency, more information. It stands to benefit us all and I think getting bent out of shape over the semantics is childish. Oh and... This... "If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself." I find personally offensive, especially coming from a CPM representative. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 03:46:00 - [3] - Quote SoTa Senpai wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. And if he did this anywhere else he'd still be fine to post and play. Just because you can find one tight-ass group doesn't make it the normal, trust me on that, I've been around. And I don't think you read his OP at all. All he did was make blunt statements regarding Mod actions and transparency issues and linking community with devs further, which has always been a goal of his. Where is he taking anything information to himself to be called a hostage? Putting it bluntly - he didn't look like an ass, you did. He's talking about the original posts I made in the Dispersion thread. Even if my original posts there were considered aggressive and hostile, the message I was trying to convey has been clearly lost on both those posts and this thread here. My reputation as a verbal aggressor apparently has more weight. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6639	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:07:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You can be pissed all you want but "hostage requests" are generally ignored and considered counterproductive as most will go unresponded. I'd like to know how my posts in that thread were in any way a hostage request. Please elaborate. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6648	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. Sure seems like a lot of opposition for something that can only be for the better, eh? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6650	Posted - 2014.10.09 04:54:00 - [6] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am sure you can ask in a far more nicer manner instead of trying the hostage method. No matter how righteous it may have seemed to you someone upstairs deemed it ill intended. Usually when you accuse CCP of things and then trying to make yourself look like a hero just makes people frown. Your method is quite similar to bad cop behaviors accusing the criminal in question with imtidiation. The reason why you are not likely ever going to get answer is because this is not how the community should be getting that sort of information nor should this method ever be legitimized with an answer. If you want to cry like a 3-yo in a corner about not getting answers you don't deserve I am only going to continue to blame yourself. And if CCP really wanted to be malicious you wouldn't be posting right now. Pull this crap on PGI forums and you get a permanent ban on both forums and games. you do not scare us we want that data brosef. Sure seems like a lot of opposition for something that can only be for the better, eh? yes i seen your post lastnight and i was very interested in the outcome. seems you have hit a sore spot and this has now become a cover up. saying your looking at the data but don't let u see some data leads me to believe there never was any data. I don't doubt that the data exists, or that it was in favor of what both the community and developers' interests were. I do, however, think that we deserve to see it and I'm not in the business of doing things half-way. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6650	Posted - 2014.10.09 05:09:00 - [7] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve. Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6652	Posted - 2014.10.09 09:37:00 - [8] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Really? I didn't think ther was anything inappropiate about the post you made before, except perhaps it was in the wrong thread on dispersion. Did the other thread you start get deleted as well? The mods here are really starting to put the hammer down on anything critical of CCP latley. People are getting banned left, right and center. I support you in trying to get some more transparency which as you have shown is not CCP policy when it comes to specific instances. It shouldn't be open 24hrs a day, but when the montly cycle of buff nerf x,y, z comes along, it would be excellent to share what data they got proving so, instead of referring to it vaguely. Logibro took a big step forward just by breaking down how dispersion is roughly calculated. I didn't either but given the rampant SJW response of IWS, I must have said something that struck a particular nerve. Absolutely agree on the Logibro bit but I'm personally interested in usage statistics. How many of 'x' suit type (light/medium/heavy) is being used on a bar chart, yanno? Suits, modules, weapons, vehicles. I understand but ther has to be some bounds of reason. Its our hobby but thier full time job, we don't need to nit pick into thier day to day office details. I would be pissed if a customer where i work kept on insisting on seeing my files on demand. I would just leave it at we are changing this x stat because of the following numbers a,b, and c because of the disparity caompared to the rest of d,e, and f. Thats fair, and the devs wont have to dig around for every file we demand. ts the evidence they already looked at , just typed up for us. We dont need the day to day stuff and are not entitles to it. Allow me to rephrase - I'd like to see the informational equivalent of what we're given in Eve Online dev blogs. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6656	Posted - 2014.10.09 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Well, I don't have any insight on forum moderation, except that making a thread to discuss it is a fantastic way to get your new thread deleted too. o_o But my inclination is that there is a difference in saying you wish the data was public (I do too) and saying that since your personal perspective is different than the data, CCP must be lying about it. If it came off as me saying that CCP was lying about it, then something went wrong. It's that we have no other choice but to trust that they aren't is what irks me. I'm a skeptic, it's in my nature to question the validity of everything and there was a few instances where - in my eyes - certain assumptions felt rather conjured. Breakin Stuff wrote: Using PGI witch hunt policies as justification is not a happy thing IWS. Amadi have you ever heard of, you know... asking politely instead of ranting and demanding? In my experience it works better. Considering that I quite literally used the word 'request' in my original post in this thread and have been calm and civil for the past year in just about everything that I did post and communicate, including in person (where I felt I was more than reasonable)... Clearly that route just doesn't work. Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Just saying had this been PGI, aeon would be poof. profanity filters and all. :P As others said there is asking nicely. Well, it's not PGI. So, deal with it. Dunno what to tell you - if you want me banned click the report button or just drop it because this constant pissing match really isn't accomplishing anything. The semantics shouldn't matter. There's been a hundred others before me that were a lot less reasonable, a thousand others who spoke in just the same manner. Been saying it over and over and over again: If we're going to get bent out of shape over how the information was conveyed rather than reading between the lines and getting to the core of the matter - let alone just dropping the BS and moving on like proper adults - then maybe this game does deserve to die. EDIT: Also, to you specifically IWS, welcome to the internet. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6664	Posted - 2014.10.11 23:56:00 - [10] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: The mods are pretty forgiving here hell most of these kids don't even know forum rules. So here is an epic video to help you kids be a little less ********. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxv_dkf-JFw Here is an epic video loaded to the brim with critical satire that will probably hurt some feelings. http://youtu.be/42mTdDIcLwA { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]

Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6672	Posted - 2014.10.14 06:38:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: http://dustsearch.com/thread/177168/page/1#27 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395110#post2395110 Thanks for finding that. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]