It seems to kill just fine.

And balancing off of 1% of the playerbase is stupid.

An interesting discussion.

First off, where do we begin as the point of balance for the scrambler rifle? Do we begin at the base weapon? Do we begin at Amarr assault level 5 coupled with the scrambler? etc..

Not many other weapons have such varying levels of performance purely depending on what suit they are on. The combat rifle coupled with Minmatar assault or commandos with their racial flavours of weapons are probably the next nearest thing to compare against. Even still, the Amarr assault bonus is quite a different beast to the other bonuses.

Answer:
Balance must always based on the maximum conceivable combination.
Otherwise there will be new fotm.


The combo meaning the the maxed out skill+gear+fitting combo. Now the fitting combinations make this a challenge for the devs, of course.


When the things (weapons f.ex.) have been balanced at maximum level, then the lesser variants will be created/balanced/calculated.

Problem is the commando only has the laser rifle and scram rifle bonused. In my experience the overheat makes scrams largely untenable in the hands of the amarr commando.

You cannot take advantage of the scram alpha if you overheat before the gun has fired six shots.

is it possible for CCP to do some data mineing in PC battles because the scrambler rifle i believe was unfairly nerfed off of pub match data. the amarr assault was rarely used in PC before this patch and it has pretty much killed it in competition LvL.

An interesting discussion.

First off, where do we begin as the point of balance for the scrambler rifle? Do we begin at the base weapon? Do we begin at Amarr assault level 5 coupled with the scrambler? etc..

Not many other weapons have such varying levels of performance purely depending on what suit they are on. The combat rifle coupled with Minmatar assault or commandos with their racial flavours of weapons are probably the next nearest thing to compare against. Even still, the Amarr assault bonus is quite a different beast to the other bonuses.

Even on the armor scouts my viziam works fine. Now on armor mediums it's not that great. Working as intended since it's a anti shield weapon.

I'm one of the few that often uses the Viziam ScR in PC, just know who to engage when and you'll be fine.

My 2 isk.

The gun was fine before any of the nerfs. The problem was that autofire controllers allowed it to put out the highest DPS in the game.

Nerfing the RoF was, therefore, a great idea. That would have fixed the gun right there. The heat nerf was a bit of a blow as a non amarr class can't kill before the gun overheats and Amarr's are pushing it right to the limit. No other gun has that severe a limitation. It shouldn't be an 'assist' gun to pad your combat rifle using teammate's KDR. (this also limits your ability to do ANYTHING alone - say watch a backdoor...)

So the heat nerf should be undone.

Also, I don't understand the hip dispersion nerf. I don't know if the gun was overperforming at close range but it never felt like it did to me (of course -- i never used an autofire controller. Maybe it did for them.)

Regardless -- the RoF nerf be the only change. See how it performs then before all this other stuff...

This is pretty typical of most posts about the gun.

But to continue to beat the dead horse.


Myth 1 You could only hit the max dps with a rapid fire controller

There were plenty of videos of people achieving the max ROF without a rapid fire controller.

Myth 2 that rapid fire controllers some how fired faster than the ROF limit on the gun

False again, no proof has ever been submitted on this and all available footage keeps the weapons firing rate inline withe the RoF.

Myth 3 Adjusting the rof impacted using a rapid fire controller

False again. The whole point of using the rapid fire controller is to guarantee that the weapon fires at its max rof every time. Because of lag and performance issues having your natural timing get thrown off diminishes the effectiveness of the gun. A slower natural timing on the gun actually accentuates this issue. You're even better off using the rapid fire controller now than you were before because every shot matters so much more because of the ******** and lazy heat mechanic being used on the gun.



The two things hindering the weapon are the insanely lackluster charging mechanic (which would do away with using a turbo altogether) and the silly heat mechanic that that forces the user to care more about firing off as many shots as possible as the primary concern when firing. (which again would diminish the benefit of using the rapid fire as well)

This is pretty typical of most posts about the gun.

But to continue to beat the dead horse.


Myth 1 You could only hit the max dps with a rapid fire controller

There were plenty of videos of people achieving the max ROF without a rapid fire controller.

Myth 2 that rapid fire controllers some how fired faster than the ROF limit on the gun

False again, no proof has ever been submitted on this and all available footage keeps the weapons firing rate inline withe the RoF.

Myth 3 Adjusting the rof impacted using a rapid fire controller

False again. The whole point of using the rapid fire controller is to guarantee that the weapon fires at its max rof every time. Because of lag and performance issues having your natural timing get thrown off diminishes the effectiveness of the gun. A slower natural timing on the gun actually accentuates this issue. You're even better off using the rapid fire controller now than you were before because every shot matters so much more because of the ******** and lazy heat mechanic being used on the gun.



The two things hindering the weapon are the insanely lackluster charging mechanic (which would do away with using a turbo altogether) and the silly heat mechanic that that forces the user to care more about firing off as many shots as possible as the primary concern when firing. (which again would diminish the benefit of using the rapid fire as well)