DUST Search - Snipers do 1500k damage a shot.

Cpt McReady wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended.

Is it intended for snipers to be able to OHK people from DEEP Redline, which is still entirely possible from a good number of maps?

I thought you frowned when the only decent counter to something was itself? This is an example of such.

The only sniper that could counter a Thale's was a Thale's, and owning one was based on "luck". Now that sniper can be killed in multiple ways, you just need to headshot him back with any of the sniper rifles.

if I am required to counter it with the same tools because nothing else works then it is not balanced.

beside that counter sniping someone at such spot or in the redline means I am in the middle of the map and most likely wont get the chance to counter snipe. you are either spotted and killed by a rifle next to you, or spotted and killed by the sniper before you can even line up your weapon. this is not a real option.

in short: the only real option I have now is drop a dropship on their heads and die afterwards. if this is how it is intended to be then goodbye balance.

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RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1045	Posted - 2014.10.06 10:27:00 - [31] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Or Squish him with a dropship or shoot him with a rail tank or orb him or send him mail throughout the whole game so he's reading not sniping :P I've never thought to use the Unibomber method of enemy distraction. Just send him letters that say....BOOM. That'll definitely make him turn around. You sir are a master tactician.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1193	Posted - 2014.10.06 11:35:00 - [32] - Quote Apparently nobody on this thread actually plays dust, because if they did they'd be WELL famililar with the fact that virtually no sniper headshots do less than 1400 damage. How many times do you have to get killed a single shot before you realise that you got one shotted and the damage was from a single shot. Stop being retards and posting on something you know nothing about. Pick up a damn sniper rifle, and go headshot a heavy, while looking at the HUD to see his health on the bottom right. You'll see it does 1500 damage, you f*cking retards. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3412	Posted - 2014.10.06 11:52:00 - [33] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Apparently nobody on this thread actually plays dust, because if they did they'd be WELL famililar with the fact that virtually no sniper headshots do less than 1400 damage. How many times do you have to get killed a single shot before you realise that you got one shotted and the damage was from a single shot. Stop being retards and posting on something you know nothing about. Pick up a damn sniper rifle, and go headshot a heavy, while looking at the HUD to see his health on the bottom right. You'll see it does 1500 damage, you f*cking retards. Because this post is just oh so constructive and useful. My assault Forge gun giggles at this ranty crap. Esp since sentinels CAN survive 1500 damage if set up right.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 1193	Posted - 2014.10.06 12:03:00 - [34] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Apparently nobody on this thread actually plays dust, because if they did they'd be WELL famililar with the fact that virtually no sniper headshots do less than 1400 damage. How many times do you have to get killed a single shot before you realise that you got one shotted and the damage was from a single shot. Stop being retards and posting on something you know nothing about. Pick up a damn sniper rifle, and go headshot a heavy, while looking at the HUD to see his health on the bottom right. You'll see it does 1500 damage, you fcking retards. Because this post is just oh so constructive and useful. My assault Forge gun giggles at this ranty crap. Esp since sentinels CAN survive 1500 damage if set up right. Constructive and useful? Did you seriously just say that on the dust forums? Don't make me laugh. These forums have a been a complete joke for almost 2 years now. And keep spawning in your forge suit bro, when you get one shotted by a charge for the 30th time, that is doing more damage than a forge gun to the chest, I'll be laughing. Charge and thales are doing instant death to any sentinel no matter the hp, personally i like the ability to kill any heavily tanked thales sniper without worrying about him retreating into cover, but the old maps(though they are better than the new) are too sniper friendly. The only reason I'm posting on this thread is so all of you retards know that anyone with half a brainstem knows how full of *** you are,and knows not to listen to you in the future. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 374	Posted - 2014.10.06 12:20:00 - [35] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. Is it intended for snipers to be able to OHK people from DEEP Redline, which is still entirely possible from a good number of maps? I thought you frowned when the only decent counter to something was itself? This is an example of such. The only sniper that could counter a Thale's was a Thale's, and owning one was based on "luck". Now that sniper can be killed in multiple ways, you just need to headshot him back with any of the sniper rifles. if I am required to counter it with the same tools because nothing else works then it is not balanced. beside that counter sniping someone at such spot or in the redline means I am in the middle of the map and most likely wont get the chance to counter snipe. you are either spotted and killed by a rifle next to you, or spotted and killed by the sniper before you can even line up your weapon. this is not a real option. in short: the only real option I have now is drop a dropship on their heads and die afterwards. if this is how it is intended to be then goodbye balance. If the sniper is 300-400 meters away then yes. That is balanced. If a rifle can own a sniper 300-400 meters then that is not balanced. Either you hunt the sniper or you counter snipe. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1331	Posted - 2014.10.06 12:38:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There are just poor map designs that currently allows for bad undesired play. Nerfing snipers further to accommodate the bad maps is the worst way to go; it should be adjusted to the normal arena of game play which is about anywhere from 300-800 meters arena. The previous snipers would have worked if the arena was more of a 1.2-2.4km game which there isn't enough players to support that style of warfare. Oh-ho-hoho! THIS so much. BTW I'm about to write a thread about rooftop/high position warfare to which this subject touches. Keep an eye out for it. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5514	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:02:00 - [37] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Apparently nobody on this thread actually plays dust, because if they did they'd be WELL famililar with the fact that virtually no sniper headshots do less than 1400 damage. A headshot from the Tac will not deliver 1400 damage. Because math. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:02:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. Only if you dont understand how more ohk weapons make the game suck. We asked for longer ttk, now we got instant death, knives, plasma cannon, forge, rail turret, bolt pistol, shotguns, and of course snipers. Do you see what I am saying here? More and more deaths are high alpha insta kills, leaving the player feeling cheated, with NO oppurtunity to respond. Makes you think, does my hp even matter? More people are using fewer rifles. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Atiim 12779	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:08:00 - [39] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. Is it intended for snipers to be able to OHK people from DEEP Redline, which is still entirely possible from a good number of maps? I thought you frowned when the only decent counter to something was itself? This is an example of such. The only sniper that could counter a Thale's was a Thale's, and owning one was based on "luck". Now that sniper can be killed in multiple ways, you just need to headshot him back with any of the sniper rifles. So to kill a sniper, i still have to use a sniper rifle? Cos you know they still hit from 300 meters away and you can cover quite a few points on certain maps. If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline). The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
jerrmy12 kahoalii G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1623	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:12:00 - [40] - Quote Atiim wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. Is it intended for snipers to be able to OHK people from DEEP Redline, which is still entirely possible from a good number of maps? I thought you frowned when the only decent counter to something was itself? This is an example of such. The only sniper that could counter a Thale's was a Thale's, and owning one was based on "luck". Now that sniper can be killed in multiple ways, you just need to headshot him back with any of the sniper rifles. So to kill a sniper, i still have to use a sniper rifle? Cos you know they still hit from 300 meters away and you can cover quite a few points on certain maps. If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline). Why don't you go try that in a pub... Closed beta vet. Call me TrolLuna or Trollmare Moon, Reference link

y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:16:00 - [41] - Quote Atiim wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. Is it intended for snipers to be able to OHK people from DEEP Redline, which is still entirely possible from a good number of maps? I thought you frowned when the only decent counter to something was itself? This is an example of such. The only sniper that could counter a Thale's was a Thale's, and owning one was based on "luck". Now that sniper can be killed in multiple ways, you just need to headshot him back with any of the sniper rifles. So to kill a sniper, i still have to use a sniper rifle? Cos you know they still hit from 300 meters away and you can cover quite a few points on certain maps. If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline). And if you are not specced into them? They just dont get to die? Because I should have to spec 1 certain weapon to counter them. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4906	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:01:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. So you think a free suit should be able to instantly kill a proto suit from completely untouchable distances with no drawback. Thanks for sharing.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3415	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:11:00 - [43] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. So you think a free suit should be able to instantly kill a proto suit from completely untouchable distances with no drawback. Thanks for sharing. Good luck with thst. If my triple modded calmando with a bpo standard sniper can't do that I'm pretty sure the freebie sh*tfit can't either. Unless you're talking about scouts, In which case they should die if someone happens to have eaten too much mexican food and farts too hard as the scout is sneaking up.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3415	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:14:00 - [44] - Quote y678iop If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline).[/quote wrote: And if you are not specced into them? They just dont get to die? Because I should have to spec 1 certain weapon to counter them. I chased a few down with an LAV and a rail rifle. Works like a charm. Laser rifle actually works better for it. Once you've gotten inside 100m snipers are usually helpless against laser rifles.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4906	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:48:00 - [45] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. So you think a free suit should be able to instantly kill a proto suit from completely untouchable distances with no drawback. Thanks for sharing. Good luck with thst. If my triple modded calmando with a bpo standard sniper can't do that I'm pretty sure the freebie sh*tfit can't either. Unless you're talking about scouts, In which case they should die if someone happens to have eaten too much mexican food and farts too hard as the scout is sneaking up. Sounds like you aren't hitting the head. Won't drop a proto heavy in one hit, but other targets don't seem to have issues dying instantly.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17144	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:27:00 - [46] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline). Why don't you go try that in a pub... Attim is right below the 300 meter range a heavy forge sniper can generally nail most most other snipers due to the simple fact he can strafe and the sniper cannot. below the 150 meter range laser rifles and rail rifles start to become an issue in most redline scenarios this means no cover for either soldier (unless hunter was using an LAV this puts the sniper as serious disadvantage) and under 100 meters you're just plain screwed as most weapons will out perform your ability to line up the shots unless you're using a tactical sniper rifle even then the chances of you winning are highly dependent on how good the guy gunning you is with his strafe game verses your ability to aim. Under the 300 meter range though those who are typically scout sniper minded have the advantage as they're the ones generally orchestrating their engagements and hunters have much more difficult time operating so close to the arena of combat. Nor to most solo hunters know not to look inside the arena to begin with. It generally at least takes two people to call this type of sniper out and get him killed of the sniper played his cards rights. Most instances of snipers getting popped under 300 are more to happenstance of other types of perimeter sweepers (scouts typically setting up hacks and spawn nets or flankers) Though this doesn't excuse the idiots that are deep within the urban areas in the most obvious places which are what I am beginning to call headshot vending machines. Typically any high narrow perch that has little to no cover, not even the ledge itself. Get about 5-7 headshots before the team realizes the error of their ways and jump down with wreckless abandon. The cross beams, pipes, the top of the air traffic control tower are among the worst places to hang out now. True the spot may be safe from the equipment from being sniped but snipers are now less interested in sniping equipment and far more interested in killing as many people as possible turning a once highly strategic important spot into a military disaster. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 470	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:33:00 - [47] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: y678iop If they're 300m away you can easily kill them with a Forge Gun, and if they're 400m away you can easily drive 100m into the redline, kill them with an Assault FG and still have enough time to make it out (assuming they're in the redline). And if you are not specced into them? They just dont get to die? Because I should have to spec 1 certain weapon to counter them.[/quote wrote: I chased a few down with an LAV and a rail rifle. Works like a charm. Laser rifle actually works better for it. Once you've gotten inside 100m snipers are usually helpless against laser rifles. I shouldn't be forced to enter a redline in order to get close enough to kill them. It gives them relative safety from almost every other weapon.
Atiim 12790	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:38:00 - [48] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. So you think a free suit should be able to instantly kill a proto suit from completely untouchable distances with no drawback. Thanks for sharing. Snipers can easily be killed when they have a 350-450m range, provided you can find them. But if you're overall incompetent and move in a predictable pattern while not sticking near cover, then yes you should be insta-killed. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4906	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:59:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I don't see a problem. I get killed in fully tanked GA Assaults all the time, before I can react. A skilled Rifle user can do that with a steady aim and headshots, a Plasma Cannon and a Forge. Working as intended. So you think a free suit should be able to instantly kill a proto suit from completely untouchable distances with no drawback. Thanks for sharing. Snipers can easily be killed when they have a 350-450m range, provided you can find them. But if you're overall incompetent and move in a predictable pattern while not sticking near cover, then yes you should be insta-killed. Firstly, no. It is not easy. You still have to close that distance and get within a reasonable effective range for your weapon to do damage... which means you are not near an objective, which means you are failing as a team member. Secondly, the point of having a low cost/free suit is that it doesn't matter if you die. The amount of dying you have to do to actually go negative in isk, even with damage mods being the only thing of value you put on your suit, is outlandish and unrealistic for even a bad sniper. Snipers are already worthless, selfish individuals who contribute almost nothing to a team compared to their front line brothers. They don't care if the scoreboard says they are good or bad -- they are already outcasts nobody will ever respect. In that sense, yes. They are untouchable. You cannot hurt their wallet, you cannot hurt their ego, and you'll go severely out of your way to make them temporarily disappear off the battlefield for all of 12 seconds.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17144	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:02:00 - [50] - Quote So keeping the rooftops clear is useless? CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4906	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:06:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So keeping the rooftops clear is useless? Of snipers? Sure. Of uplinks and mass driver spam? Different story. Can't have the real men respawning from high ground, now can we?
saxonmish Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 524	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:32:00 - [52] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: saxonmish wrote: Or Squish him with a dropship or shoot him with a rail tank or orb him or send him mail throughout the whole game so he's reading not sniping :P I've never thought to use the Unibomber method of enemy distraction. Just send him letters that say....BOOM. That'll definitely make him turn around. You sir are a master tactician. SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 55	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:52:00 - [53] - Quote here is some info from you all. he was using damage mods. yes the 344 shields give you the answer. look it up on protofits.com to shields a charge sniper rifle can do 1338 damage with a single headshot on a calmmando with 3 damage mods. now here is a key point after it eats your shields the damage changes 0.9 to 1.1 and proficiency kicks in as well. the max armor damage with a charge is 1871 armor damage with a single headshot. the 1900 one was with 2 shots. so using an adv cal assault with 4 dam mods equals your dead if it is a headshot unless you have gal or amarr sentinel with maxed in that suit for the damage resistance


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