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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4476	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:41:00 - [31] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it. 15:10 EVE time? I suppose I could drive home on my lunch break. I would only have time for one match, but that might be enough. Join Learning Coalition chat so you see when I log in. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1324	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:19:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I was playing a lot yesterday, and yes, the BP kills quite quickly, and at all ranges. We will study it closely in the coming days. Running it before buff it was acceptable. Possibly 'Hotfix' it with this layout - DMG 140-160-180 Along with keeping the headshot bonus it has now - Clip size +1// 5 in a clip with this damage would work better - MLT 130 DMG.? It is a bit over the top but a certain amount of that is needed to deal with other weapons Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4476	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:20:00 - [33] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it. Dude! I drove home from work, and you are not even online. I got to head back to work soon. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3415	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:34:00 - [34] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it. Dude! I drove home from work, and you are not even online. I got to head back to work soon. Im on now. It farking snowed like six imches while I was at work. I am on
Kierkegaard Soren THE HANDS OF DEATH 531	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:06:00 - [35] - Quote I've also noticed that the BP seems to pulp armour in anythismaller than a heavy frame or a proto tanked gal medium; first shot strips the majority of shields, and the second kills outright. Admittedly satisfying, but it does feel too strong too be correct. Purely subjective opinion, mind you. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4477	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:11:00 - [36] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it. Dude! I drove home from work, and you are not even online. I got to head back to work soon. Im on now. It farking snowed like six imches while I was at work. I am on Living in a goddamned subarctic rathole has a few downsides I missed you by about 10 minutes. I will probably be headed to bed by the time you get off work. Maybe you should find someone on the West coast to help you test. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4477	Posted - 2014.10.06 16:16:00 - [37] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: I've also noticed that the BP seems to pulp armour in anythismaller than a heavy frame or a proto tanked gal medium; first shot strips the majority of shields, and the second kills outright. Admittedly satisfying, but it does feel too strong too be correct. Purely subjective opinion, mind you. Yeah, that is what tipped me off. Getting just about through the shield on the first shot and then killing on the second against Gallente and Amarr medium frame suits which should have more Armor than Shields. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3418	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:18:00 - [38] - Quote Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3418	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:24:00 - [39] - Quote As a side note: the most common method for using all of the sidearms I have seen is for a player to use a primary weapon to soften the target up then swap over to the sidearm and finish them off. I've seen more than one sentinel hose someone down with an HMG then bust a cap in them with the bolt pistol. So people starting an engagement with the sidearm and FINISHING with the sidearm aren't as common as it may seem. exception: that idiot calscout who decided that he was going to shoot my calsent in the back (I have never seen a calscout so incompetent at shooting a fatty in the back). He followed up with pulling out his knives and I turned around and put a bolt round through his faceplate. Solved THAT problem REAL quick.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4477	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:30:00 - [40] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in. Well that blows that theory. People must be fitting their suits like egg shells then. The fact that the Amarr Sentinel Rail Gun resistance is not being applied to the Bolt Pistol needs to be looked into though. I run Amarr Sentinel a lot, and I find that disturbing. Can you test that with a Magsec and a Rail Rifle? Hmm, and the Sniper Rifle, I really hope the resistance is applying to the Sniper rifle. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3420	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:40:00 - [41] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in. Well that blows that theory. People must be fitting their suits like egg shells then. The fact that the Amarr Sentinel Rail Gun resistance is not being applied to the Bolt Pistol needs to be looked into though. I run Amarr Sentinel a lot, and I find that disturbing. Can you test that with a Magsec and a Rail Rifle? Hmm, and the Sniper Rifle, I really hope the resistance is applying to the Sniper rifle. sure, on another day when I don't need to go let a doctor poke me with needles.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4477	Posted - 2014.10.06 18:11:00 - [42] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in. Well that blows that theory. People must be fitting their suits like egg shells then. The fact that the Amarr Sentinel Rail Gun resistance is not being applied to the Bolt Pistol needs to be looked into though. I run Amarr Sentinel a lot, and I find that disturbing. Can you test that with a Magsec and a Rail Rifle? Hmm, and the Sniper Rifle, I really hope the resistance is applying to the Sniper rifle. sure, on another day when I don't need to go let a doctor poke me with needles. Well I will not be running Amarr Sentinel again until after the Sidearm event, so you have plenty of time. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 566	Posted - 2014.10.06 23:41:00 - [43] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Given that a pistol that does 225 hp damage raw shouldn't be able to 4-shot a 1400 HP sentinel via bodyshot I would bank on an unexpected interaction or bug. Or people might be doing what I do and damage mod stacking on a calmando. Calmando bonus only works on light weapons
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1898	Posted - 2014.10.07 01:35:00 - [44] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Given that a pistol that does 225 hp damage raw shouldn't be able to 4-shot a 1400 HP sentinel via bodyshot I would bank on an unexpected interaction or bug. Or people might be doing what I do and damage mod stacking on a calmando. Calmando bonus only works on light weapons Calmando bonus works on all hybrid - rail tech, which the bolt pistol falls under. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 44	Posted - 2014.10.07 05:17:00 - [45] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Yes, but I am fairly sure that most of these 2 shot kills are body shots. Anyway, it needs to be tested against a known fit that is standing still so it can be certain whether you are getting head or body shots. Theres alot of weakly tanked suits that new players are forced to use. Even militia heavies will only take 3-4 shots. Frontline/medic starter fits are complete crap and so are most standard suits. This is the same kind of imbalance that effects scrambler rifles and sniper rifles, the crappy low tier suits die horribly to them, often in 1 or 2 hits, while heavy tank proto suits make them all complete crap. Have fun when you find a 1k shield/armor caldari assault and try to kill him with that bolt pistol :\
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 07:54:00 - [46] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Given that a pistol that does 225 hp damage raw shouldn't be able to 4-shot a 1400 HP sentinel via bodyshot I would bank on an unexpected interaction or bug. Or people might be doing what I do and damage mod stacking on a calmando. Calmando bonus only works on light weapons Calmando bonus works on all hybrid - rail tech, which the bolt pistol falls under. There is no restriction on weapon size. A light weapon railgun is still a railgun. A sidearm railgun is still a railgun. The calmando bonus is to railguns, not light weapons.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 07:57:00 - [47] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Have fun when you find a 1k shield/armor caldari assault and try to kill him with that bolt pistol :\ Gallente Sentinel takes less damage on armor than the calsent takes on shields. So the galsent is the hardest suit to kill via caldari rail weapons. It's also why galsents can survive MLT/STD sniper forge gun shots.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 86	Posted - 2014.10.07 10:21:00 - [48] - Quote I get one shotted in my mil throw away assault suits with 3 basic armor mods dmg recieved 680 ehp 640. The scout was running swarms and bolt pistol I mean who needs a light weapon for combat right? With my advanced suit has even less hp so much for trying to move away from armor stacking you scrubs. If you guys are going to keep this broken weapon in this broken game you could at least give it some impact. A pistol that does more dmg then a sniper rifle and is silent someone should be fired over this. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 11:57:00 - [49] - Quote The Master Race wrote: I get one shotted in my mil throw away assault suits with 3 basic armor mods dmg recieved 680 ehp 640. The scout was running swarms and bolt pistol I mean who needs a light weapon for combat right? With my advanced suit has even less hp so much for trying to move away from armor stacking you scrubs. If you guys are going to keep this broken weapon in this broken game you could at least give it some impact. A pistol that does more dmg then a sniper rifle and is silent someone should be fired over this. So you ate a headshot in an undertanked suit and you are mad? I use my gallente assault freefit and it takes two shots (one a headshot) minimum to drop me. My cal suits have never been oneshot by a bolt pistol and my calssault is zero. I also don't stand still. Ever. I also note that in all cases except where I sat and let my demo shooter casually pop me until I died, every time I have been killed it has been by a primary weapon burning me down to low HP so the bolt pistol could finish the job. On average I go through two clips to kill a moving enemy with nothing but the bolt pistol. Burn down with a rail rigle followed by a killshot is much easier. The charge time makes lining up shots on moving targets annoying at best. At the moment it is the most common use weapon because it seems OP because a few players are hellspawned marksmen. The rest is oversaturation for the event because too many people are deluded into believing that it is easy mode kill farming. But when targets sit still or run shtfits they forget that running those cheap shtfits and sitting still makes it trivially easy to get sh*t on.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4481	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:08:00 - [50] - Quote The Master Race wrote: I get one shotted in my mil throw away assault suits with 3 basic armor mods dmg recieved 680 ehp 640. The scout was running swarms and bolt pistol I mean who needs a light weapon for combat right? With my advanced suit has even less hp so much for trying to move away from armor stacking you scrubs. If you guys are going to keep this broken weapon in this broken game you could at least give it some impact. A pistol that does more dmg then a sniper rifle and is silent someone should be fired over this. That is a little over dramatic. What seems to work on paper does not always work in the field. It is being looked at and as soon as the problem is properly understood it will be addressed. Besides, we only have 3 Devs still working on this project. We canGÇÖt afford to lose one! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3433	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:28:00 - [51] - Quote It's not a mystery. He ate a headshot from a std bolt pistol rocking double complex sidearm mods. I can do that math in my head. Freefits are free and thus crap. Complaining that your freefit disintegrates is like using aim assist and bitching that the game doesn't have homing bullets that cannot miss ever just for you. And why in God's name are you running an ADV suit with less tank than a free fit? If the word "scout" comes out you lose all credibility and your man card.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4481	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:37:00 - [52] - Quote Breakin Stuff, you either forgot to quote the post you are responding to, or you are reading stuff into my post which is not there. Edit: Oh, I see you were responding to Master. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 44	Posted - 2014.10.07 13:02:00 - [53] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: Have fun when you find a 1k shield/armor caldari assault and try to kill him with that bolt pistol :\ Gallente Sentinel takes less damage on armor than the calsent takes on shields. So the galsent is the hardest suit to kill via caldari rail weapons. It's also why galsents can survive MLT/STD sniper forge gun shots. Galsent is far easier to hit, which I think is the more critical factor with the bolt pistol :d
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 405	Posted - 2014.10.07 13:11:00 - [54] - Quote I really don't see the issue with the Bolt Pistol. Its DPS/Range ratio fits well within the acceptable curve, along with all the other pistols. It has the Least DPS among the pistols. Honestly, I think people just don't like to be killed by alpha damage weapons. They feel like it doesnt give them a chance, even though they often have a higher TTK than most of the other weapons. They dont like to be hit too hard basically, because it scares them and puts them into panic mode, which is on them. Don't panic when you get hit, respond, make sure they miss the second shot and third, instead of choking up. Alpha Damage weapons across the board take more skill and planning to use than the traditional bullet-hose type weapons. Honestly, its sad. As soon as Bolt Pistols get nerfed, the high skill players will just move onto the next decent alpha damage weapon, whatever it may be. At some point, I fully expect ~~people~~ scrubs to pick up their torches and pitchforks and go after the Plasma Cannon because "why should they get to kill me in one shot! It no fair! Nerf pls CCP!".
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 827	Posted - 2014.10.09 10:24:00 - [55] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: I really don't see the issue with the Bolt Pistol. Its DPS/Range ratio fits well within the acceptable curve, along with all the other pistols. It has the Least DPS among the pistols. Honestly, I think people just don't like to be killed by alpha damage weapons. They feel like it doesnt give them a chance, even though they often have a higher TTK than most of the other weapons. They dont like to be hit too hard basically, because it scares them and puts them into panic mode, which is on them. Don't panic when you get hit, respond, make sure they miss the second shot and third, instead of choking up. Alpha Damage weapons across the board take more skill and planning to use than the traditional bullet-hose type weapons. Honestly, its sad. As soon as Bolt Pistols get nerfed, the high skill players will just move onto the next decent alpha damage weapon, whatever it may be. At some point, I fully expect ~~people~~ scrubs to pick up their torches and pitchforks and go after the Plasma Cannon because "why should they get to kill me in one shot! It no fair! Nerf pls CCP!". 21kills 12 assists 3 deaths (5 hs kills) - Dual adv bolt pistols on an adv gal scout in ambush all kills HIP FIRED. How can you say a bolt pistol needs skill? LOL Seeing rattatis dispersion thread - if they can't remove AA from pistols they should look at increasing dispersion so much that hip firing a pistol is useless. ADS or GTFO!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3498	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:55:00 - [56] - Quote You're using it on a scout suit. That's no different than using a shotgun or NK fit. You get a cloak and are immune to radar. I have just discovered why bolt pistols are overperforming. Undetectable dropsuits that can trivially bypass hit detection. Thanks for the heads-up dude.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4524	Posted - 2014.10.09 15:14:00 - [57] - Quote It is basically a pocket Sniper Rifle. Maybe we should add a little bit of swayGÇª Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Dingleburt Bangledack 271	Posted - 2014.10.09 15:58:00 - [58] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: It is basically a pocket Sniper Rifle. Maybe we should add a little bit of swayGÇª That would probably just make it worthless at it's intended range while leaving it's outstanding CQC viability untouched.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 599	Posted - 2014.10.09 21:00:00 - [59] - Quote I hadn't realized until yesterday how effective the BP is when hip fired. It will thwak fools consistently in CQC. It's accuracy is good, crosshairs area is small and stays small when moving. I don't think it gets extra aim assist. It just demonstrates how the aim assist works with one shot. I do think it needs to be toned down but I like its new style.


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