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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3412	Posted - 2014.10.06 09:50:00 - [1] - Quote Given that a pistol that does 225 hp damage raw shouldn't be able to 4-shot a 1400 HP sentinel via bodyshot I would bank on an unexpected interaction or bug. Or people might be doing what I do and damage mod stacking on a calmando.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3412	Posted - 2014.10.06 10:07:00 - [2] - Quote Who wants to shoot me with a bolt pistol in five hours so we can record the resulting damage? I will volunteer both a commando set and a sentinel set and see how much actual is being applied. I can do this at about 8 AM pacific time.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3413	Posted - 2014.10.06 12:00:00 - [3] - Quote You aren't accounting for proficiency which puts another multiplier on the preferred tank breaching attribute gaden. The proficiency skill brings that up over 2% difference. Also it gets wonky with sentinels. Damage by RAW Without proficiency does 108% damage to caldari shields, for interest, not 120%. So there's a few altering factors here.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3413	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote Also part of the OP bitching is the assumption of accuracy. I find it much harder to successfully land bolt shots than with any weapon other than the flaylock. Yes it hits like a truck, no you aren't likely to hit moving targets in a firefight enough to kill them in one clip running the militia or standard. Most of my bolt kills are people who stand still for whatever reason. Shooting on the fly has an insanely hard failure rate. I wouldn't be surprised to find most of the "overperforming" is against stationary targets, especially using alts of friends to headshot to get better data results. Also I'm fairly certain there is a certain amount of manipulation of the data on the part of players who don't like things to make a weapon artificially overperform. We have a small enough player base that a few playing the numbers can artificially screw some (not all) of the data points.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3415	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:32:00 - [5] - Quote Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3415	Posted - 2014.10.06 15:34:00 - [6] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Yep. And if you are on in 40 minutes I'll let you shoot me in the face. And we can test it. Dude! I drove home from work, and you are not even online. I got to head back to work soon. Im on now. It farking snowed like six imches while I was at work. I am on
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3418	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:18:00 - [7] - Quote Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3418	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:24:00 - [8] - Quote As a side note: the most common method for using all of the sidearms I have seen is for a player to use a primary weapon to soften the target up then swap over to the sidearm and finish them off. I've seen more than one sentinel hose someone down with an HMG then bust a cap in them with the bolt pistol. So people starting an engagement with the sidearm and FINISHING with the sidearm aren't as common as it may seem. exception: that idiot calscout who decided that he was going to shoot my calsent in the back (I have never seen a calscout so incompetent at shooting a fatty in the back). He followed up with pulling out his knives and I turned around and put a bolt round through his faceplate. Solved THAT problem REAL quick.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3420	Posted - 2014.10.06 17:40:00 - [9] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Hey look you's guys! I let someone shoot me in the face! And as a result, I bring you NUMBERS! Go read the thread. soak up wisdom. Embrace your place in the universe and cook off a flux grenade in your right hand, and a core Locus in your left to achieve universal oneness. Edit: Wow one wrong letter on the word "cook" and the profanity filter kicks in. Well that blows that theory. People must be fitting their suits like egg shells then. The fact that the Amarr Sentinel Rail Gun resistance is not being applied to the Bolt Pistol needs to be looked into though. I run Amarr Sentinel a lot, and I find that disturbing. Can you test that with a Magsec and a Rail Rifle? Hmm, and the Sniper Rifle, I really hope the resistance is applying to the Sniper rifle. sure, on another day when I don't need to go let a doctor poke me with needles.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 07:54:00 - [10] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Given that a pistol that does 225 hp damage raw shouldn't be able to 4-shot a 1400 HP sentinel via bodyshot I would bank on an unexpected interaction or bug. Or people might be doing what I do and damage mod stacking on a calmando. Calmando bonus only works on light weapons Calmando bonus works on all hybrid - rail tech, which the bolt pistol falls under. There is no restriction on weapon size. A light weapon railgun is still a railgun. A sidearm railgun is still a railgun. The calmando bonus is to railguns, not light weapons.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 07:57:00 - [11] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Have fun when you find a 1k shield/armor caldari assault and try to kill him with that bolt pistol :\ Gallente Sentinel takes less damage on armor than the calsent takes on shields. So the galsent is the hardest suit to kill via caldari rail weapons. It's also why galsents can survive MLT/STD sniper forge gun shots.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3431	Posted - 2014.10.07 11:57:00 - [12] - Quote The Master Race wrote: I get one shotted in my mil throw away assault suits with 3 basic armor mods dmg recieved 680 ehp 640. The scout was running swarms and bolt pistol I mean who needs a light weapon for combat right? With my advanced suit has even less hp so much for trying to move away from armor stacking you scrubs. If you guys are going to keep this broken weapon in this broken game you could at least give it some impact. A pistol that does more dmg then a sniper rifle and is silent someone should be fired over this. So you ate a headshot in an undertanked suit and you are mad? I use my gallente assault freefit and it takes two shots (one a headshot) minimum to drop me. My cal suits have never been oneshot by a bolt pistol and my calssault is zero. I also don't stand still. Ever. I also note that in all cases except where I sat and let my demo shooter casually pop me until I died, every time I have been killed it has been by a primary weapon burning me down to low HP so the bolt pistol could finish the job. On average I go through two clips to kill a moving enemy with nothing but the bolt pistol. Burn down with a rail rigle followed by a killshot is much easier. The charge time makes lining up shots on moving targets annoying at best. At the moment it is the most common use weapon because it seems OP because a few players are hellspawned marksmen. The rest is oversaturation for the event because too many people are deluded into believing that it is easy mode kill farming. But when targets sit still or run shtfits they forget that running those cheap shtfits and sitting still makes it trivially easy to get sh*t on.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3433	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:28:00 - [13] - Quote It's not a mystery. He ate a headshot from a std bolt pistol rocking double complex sidearm mods. I can do that math in my head. Freefits are free and thus crap. Complaining that your freefit disintegrates is like using aim assist and bitching that the game doesn't have homing bullets that cannot miss ever just for you. And why in God's name are you running an ADV suit with less tank than a free fit? If the word "scout" comes out you lose all credibility and your man card.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3498	Posted - 2014.10.09 11:55:00 - [14] - Quote You're using it on a scout suit. That's no different than using a shotgun or NK fit. You get a cloak and are immune to radar. I have just discovered why bolt pistols are overperforming. Undetectable dropsuits that can trivially bypass hit detection. Thanks for the heads-up dude.

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