DUST Search - Would turning off aim assist on Bolt Pistols be enough?

DootDoot wrote:

The Master Race wrote:

There are sidearm weapons in this game with no range that pale in comparison to the effective dmg of the bolt pistol in this state no sidearms can compete with this weapon along with many primaries and you bring up discussions like this? You know what bro It would be nice if the people that didn't do there jobs or are not fit enough to do there jobs were replaced. **** it lol they might as well shut the game down now I mean are you going to repeat these cycles in legion? cause it doesn't look to me like there is any real attempt to balance this game.

Edit: If the clip size was reduced to 1 it would bring balance to the weapon. You could still pop scouts and with a lil cover anything else.

It doesn't make sense, WHY balance decisions are made with little to no regard to EVE's established formula with the different technology.

Rail Technology versus Blaster Technology in EVE has always had distinct differences. Lets compare that to DUST.

The Ion Pistol has short range... Small Clip and limited damage.

The Bolt Pistol has Medium to Long range, Similar clip and high damage.....

How does this even closely match the formula for technology in EVE? When it is that much off.... Red Flags should be going up everywhere before it is released.

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17106	Posted - 2014.10.05 04:50:00 - [31] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2438	Posted - 2014.10.05 05:43:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) Yah Chromosome had the worst hit detection and controls.... Not!!!.. Statistics... Game captures, Opinions and facts say the game had better feel, control, hit detection and speed long before we had Magnetic Aim assist, in Chromosome. Doesn't matter anymore, the game has just had the 1 year anniversary from Uprising 1.4 where we got this terrible Aim assist Band-aid... We never recovered the population lost from it anyway and never will... Or the competition that existed before and now is completely gone.... But at least everyone can left bumper, right bumper and get a kill with little to no effort right?
Aria Gomes The dyst0pian Corporation 549	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:28:00 - [33] - Quote I wouldn't mind. I don't use AA anyways.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1006	Posted - 2014.10.05 06:35:00 - [34] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) Yah Chromosome had the worst hit detection and controls.... Not!!!.. Statistics... Game captures, Opinions and facts say the game had better feel, control, hit detection and speed long before we had Magnetic Aim assist, in Chromosome. Doesn't matter anymore, the game has just had the 1 year anniversary from Uprising 1.4 where we got this terrible Aim assist Band-aid... We never recovered the population lost from it anyway and never will... Or the competition that existed before and now is completely gone.... But at least everyone can left bumper, right bumper and get a kill with little to no effort right? Did he mean in Chrome, or early Uprising? Just a tad curious there, because I recall it being really easy to dance away from firefights when Uprising first released. Never had an issue actually hitting things myself though, but my nephew complained plenty about the hit detection when Uprising first came out. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 930	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:20:00 - [35] - Quote I had pro bolt pistol before the buff, it was pretty mediocre. Now it's a complete monster and is silly OP. I don't want to see it nerfed too bad cause honestly I like the idea of it but I think it needs a slight damage reduction, possibly reduced AA, but it really should have much much more kick and less hip fire accuracy. This would make it the skill shot weapon it was supposed to be not the lol hip fire kills from 30m that it is now. Anyway I'm sure it'll get nerfed in some way so we can stop talking about it. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
shaman oga Krullefor Organization 2900	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:27:00 - [36] - Quote Why shouldn't BP have aim assist? The problem is that CCP has made a pistol with a sniper rifle damage output, before the buff i didn't see a lot of BP except me and few other. They should have increased clipsize to 8 and give 72 meters to all variants with a slight buff on damage, around 10 points to be 160 not 220. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Jathniel G I A N T 1171	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:27:00 - [37] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Discuss or go further? Please. Proceed. I remember recommending this before. Cutting Aim Assist on the Bolt Pistol is probably all that's necessary. If Aim Assist is cut, I would recommend bumping the RoF back up to 150RPM. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Jathniel G I A N T 1171	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:28:00 - [38] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Why shouldn't BP have aim assist? The problem is that CCP has made a pistol with a sniper rifle damage output, before the buff i didn't see a lot of BP except me and few other. They should have increased clipsize to 8 and give 72 meters to all variants with a slight buff on damage, around 10 points to be 160 not 220. This^ The Bolt Pistol never needed a damage buff. It only need a clip size increase, and a range buff. Otherwise, it was fine. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Haerr Clone Manque 1548	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:38:00 - [39] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) Implying that controls still aren't terrible. -1
Haerr Clone Manque 1548	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:40:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Discuss or go further? Go further. Disable aim assist all together.

hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:40:00 - [41] - Quote No not really. Damage needs to be reduced. Hope no one is defending this wep in its current state
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 95	Posted - 2014.10.05 08:57:00 - [42] - Quote sniper rifle damage as sidearm, whos great idea was that?
Haerr Clone Manque 1549	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:02:00 - [43] - Quote Cpt McReady wrote: sniper rifle damage as sidearm, whos great idea was that? I blame Jebus McKing and Rattati. Btw do not let yourself be fooled by Jebus McKings corp name, it is only meant ironically as he regularly protostomps in a squad of Nyain San. Not Jebus's alt. // Perpetual Newbie. // @JebusMcKing
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 90	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:41:00 - [44] - Quote I just wrote this on another thread about BP: Quote: I think that the BP should be close to the breach ScP: not so powerful in a body shot but amazing in headshots. Right now, headshots on the BP are amazing, but not needed at all! I think that CCP should decrease its alpha from 250 to 210 (proto lvl), reduce its RoF a little (like 15-20 rpm less) and increase it's headshots % modifier. This way it'll still be very efficient in HS (maybe more), but not so devastating in bodyshots. It'll also be balanced with the breach ScP as it'll deal much more damage per bullet, even more in the head, but with a smaller clip size and RoF. What do you think about it? Taking out AA would put it in a great place. (PS: why not take AA all together? Dust was so much better without it..) Sorry for my bad english ^^
Jebus McKing lol Proto 739	Posted - 2014.10.05 11:59:00 - [45] - Quote Now that most weapons are kinda balanced, turning off AA seems like the new secret weapon of all those who still think they should not be getting killed by anyone. As far as I know the HMG and shotguns don't even have AA, no? Stop the QQing and get the ** over the fact that most console FPS games use some form of AA because gamepads are a ***** terrible input method for FPSs. ________________________________ The Bolt Pistol does not need its AA removed. It needs its damage reduced. Plain and simple. When you remove the AA you don't solve the problem. Instead of an OP weapon that everyone uses it would just become an OP weapon that only the console FPS vets use. Give the Bolt Pistol its old ROF and clipsize and reduce the damage by 20%. Not Haerr's alt. // Closed beta vet. // @JebusMcKing
The Master Race Immortal Guides 67	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:01:00 - [46] - Quote They should just make it so it can one shot tanks I am sick of there being no side arm av. I am also sick of having to 3 shot heavies with it I mean come on 3 shots. I am also tired of all the great ideas on the forums that do not serve me at all.. I mean we can't nerf my epic skills can we. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Haerr Clone Manque 1549	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:02:00 - [47] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Now that most weapons are kinda balanced, turning off AA seems like the new secret weapon of all those who still think they should not be getting killed by anyone. As far as I know the HMG and shotguns don't even have AA, no? Stop the QQing and get the ** over the fact that most console FPS games use some form of AA because gamepads are a ***** terrible input method for FPSs. ________________________________ The Bolt Pistol does not need its AA removed. It needs its damage reduced. Plain and simple. When you remove the AA you don't solve the problem. Instead of an OP weapon that everyone uses it would just become an OP weapon that only the console FPS vets use. Give the Bolt Pistol its old ROF and clipsize and reduce the damage by 20%. Lol. Not Jebus's alt. // Perpetual Newbie. // @JebusMcKing
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2441	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:36:00 - [48] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Bethhy wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) Yah Chromosome had the worst hit detection and controls.... Not!!!.. Statistics... Game captures, Opinions and facts say the game had better feel, control, hit detection and speed long before we had Magnetic Aim assist, in Chromosome. Doesn't matter anymore, the game has just had the 1 year anniversary from Uprising 1.4 where we got this terrible Aim assist Band-aid... We never recovered the population lost from it anyway and never will... Or the competition that existed before and now is completely gone.... But at least everyone can left bumper, right bumper and get a kill with little to no effort right? Did he mean in Chrome, or early Uprising? Just a tad curious there, because I recall it being really easy to dance away from firefights when Uprising first released. Never had an issue actually hitting things myself though, but my nephew complained plenty about the hit detection when Uprising first came out. When Uprising Launched, CCP Wolfman... The guy responsible for overhauling MAG's aiming system and making it worse... Overhauled DUST's aiming and Hit detection system from Chromosome to Uprising. The reason given to the public at the time from his fingers was that it saved 1-2 FPS... We spent Uprising 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 Trying to tweak it so that Hit detection and Aiming control and feel could match Chromosome... to no Avail... After the community was screaming on forums about terrible controls, Aiming system, Hit detection and Matchmaking for 5 months, CCP finally launched the Uprising 1.4 patch that released Matchmaking and Aim assist. Patch 1.4 is probably the worst patch this game has seen, Besides Launching DUST into Uprising with more then half the content promised missing... Making the game massively incomplete with massive balance holes meant to be filled at some later un specified time.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 5420	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:43:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Why not take it off all weapons? Latency Issue compensation as well. Also there was a time it was all turned off. Worst fishing in all of dust game for miles around. (then again controls where terrible back then) I was around back then. I preferred having it off on all weapons for everybody. Learn to separate the morals from the Muhla.
DootDoot Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 349	Posted - 2014.10.05 12:47:00 - [50] - Quote The Master Race wrote: There are sidearm weapons in this game with no range that pale in comparison to the effective dmg of the bolt pistol in this state no sidearms can compete with this weapon along with many primaries and you bring up discussions like this? You know what bro It would be nice if the people that didn't do there jobs or are not fit enough to do there jobs were replaced. **** it lol they might as well shut the game down now I mean are you going to repeat these cycles in legion? cause it doesn't look to me like there is any real attempt to balance this game. Edit: If the clip size was reduced to 1 it would bring balance to the weapon. You could still pop scouts and with a lil cover anything else. It doesn't make sense, WHY balance decisions are made with little to no regard to EVE's established formula with the different technology. Rail Technology versus Blaster Technology in EVE has always had distinct differences. Lets compare that to DUST. The Ion Pistol has short range... Small Clip and limited damage. The Bolt Pistol has Medium to Long range, Similar clip and high damage..... How does this even closely match the formula for technology in EVE? When it is that much off.... Red Flags should be going up everywhere before it is released.

Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 290	Posted - 2014.10.05 13:23:00 - [51] - Quote That along with a slight damage and RoF nerf would make it fine. Expert Intervetion is my home
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6115	Posted - 2014.10.05 13:27:00 - [52] - Quote So this is the latest witch hunt. It has 4 rounds in a clip ffs I personally think its fine and i have had the pleasure of getting two shotted by it. It has 4 rounds in a clip.......come on. Well that was spiffing.
RendonaSix IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 258	Posted - 2014.10.05 13:30:00 - [53] - Quote So this is the latest witch hunt. It has 4 rounds in a clip ffs I personally think its fine and i have had the pleasure of two shotting people with it. It has 4 rounds in a clip.......git gud. I am Techs Amarr other half of his shattered consciousness. Yes, I did just refer to myself in the third person.
The Master Race Immortal Guides 68	Posted - 2014.10.05 13:31:00 - [54] - Quote DootDoot wrote: The Master Race wrote: There are sidearm weapons in this game with no range that pale in comparison to the effective dmg of the bolt pistol in this state no sidearms can compete with this weapon along with many primaries and you bring up discussions like this? You know what bro It would be nice if the people that didn't do there jobs or are not fit enough to do there jobs were replaced. **** it lol they might as well shut the game down now I mean are you going to repeat these cycles in legion? cause it doesn't look to me like there is any real attempt to balance this game. Edit: If the clip size was reduced to 1 it would bring balance to the weapon. You could still pop scouts and with a lil cover anything else. It doesn't make sense, WHY balance decisions are made with little to no regard to EVE's established formula with the different technology. Rail Technology versus Blaster Technology in EVE has always had distinct differences. Lets compare that to DUST. The Ion Pistol has short range... Small Clip and limited damage. The Bolt Pistol has Medium to Long range, Similar clip and high damage..... How does this even closely match the formula for technology in EVE? When it is that much off.... Red Flags should be going up everywhere before it is released. I don't know m8 I have never played eve. I have played many mmo's and have a very mechanical mind which really does wonders when theory crafting. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17115	Posted - 2014.10.05 13:42:00 - [55] - Quote DootDoot wrote: The Master Race wrote: There are sidearm weapons in this game with no range that pale in comparison to the effective dmg of the bolt pistol in this state no sidearms can compete with this weapon along with many primaries and you bring up discussions like this? You know what bro It would be nice if the people that didn't do there jobs or are not fit enough to do there jobs were replaced. **** it lol they might as well shut the game down now I mean are you going to repeat these cycles in legion? cause it doesn't look to me like there is any real attempt to balance this game. Edit: If the clip size was reduced to 1 it would bring balance to the weapon. You could still pop scouts and with a lil cover anything else. It doesn't make sense, WHY balance decisions are made with little to no regard to EVE's established formula with the different technology. Rail Technology versus Blaster Technology in EVE has always had distinct differences. Lets compare that to DUST. The Ion Pistol has short range... Small Clip and limited damage. The Bolt Pistol has Medium to Long range, Similar clip and high damage..... How does this even closely match the formula for technology in EVE? When it is that much off.... Red Flags should be going up everywhere before it is released. That's an easy one to answer. Not everything in eve translates well into shooters. IE speed tanking in dust 514 is not that feasible as turret rotation (you aiming) has been mostly made universal. Bottom line though Lore will lose out to establishment needs. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
syzygiet G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.10.05 17:56:00 - [56] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: syzygiet wrote: As a mouse and keyboard user i use the sniper,forge and mass driver. Forge and sniper for long distance engagements and mass driver close engagement because when i go up against a scout with any other weapon the lack of an aim assist makes it impossible to hit them. With that said I tried the bolt pistol with mouse and keyboard and it is almost impossible to use on a moving target without aim assist due to the slow rate of fire and small clip size. aim assist doesn't work for mouse and keyboard anyway I know aim assist doesnt work with mouse and keyboard. So I should have concluded by saying turning off aim assist for the bolt pistol would be a good "Nerf," given that you only have 4 clips the odds are against anyone hitting all 4 rounds. I am saying that because DUST has rather weird hit detection and has the unique feature of different movement speeds for different suits complicated with the additional tweaks to movement speed due to things like plates, and kin kats, which makes it harder to predict how far they can move (strafing running jumping etc) and lining up shots without aim assist. That is compared to games like Counter Strike, Quake, COD, Battlefield where everyone pretty moves at the same speed making it easier to predict movement and lining up shots.
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 470	Posted - 2014.10.05 19:55:00 - [57] - Quote It's a witch hunt.. It's OP because it can Alpha strike and steal kills and most people are using it. Most people don't have the reaction time to deal with the alpha strike or the sense to not stand still. You want to see OP put a Breach Scrambler Pistol and a Breach SMG on a Caldari C-1 Scout suit. That my friend is a real monster. But sure.. go NERF another Caldari Weapon why don't ya. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17123	Posted - 2014.10.05 21:02:00 - [58] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: It's a witch hunt.. It's OP because it can Alpha strike and steal kills and most people are using it. Most people don't have the reaction time to deal with the alpha strike or the sense to not stand still. You want to see OP put a Breach Scrambler Pistol and a Breach SMG on a Caldari C-1 Scout suit. That my friend is a real monster. But sure.. go NERF another Caldari Weapon why don't ya. Considering the caldari have the most number of weapon systems... CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 393	Posted - 2014.10.05 21:18:00 - [59] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: It's a witch hunt.. It's OP because it can Alpha strike and steal kills and most people are using it. Most people don't have the reaction time to deal with the alpha strike or the sense to not stand still. You want to see OP put a Breach Scrambler Pistol and a Breach SMG on a Caldari C-1 Scout suit. That my friend is a real monster. But sure.. go NERF another Caldari Weapon why don't ya. Considering the caldari have the most number of ~~weapon systems~~ guns/equipment,dropsuits,turrets,vehicles,BPOs/map sockets/RDVs/MCCs/developers throat deep inside them/ect... FTFY
Jathniel G I A N T 1172	Posted - 2014.10.05 22:49:00 - [60] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Now that most weapons are kinda balanced, turning off AA seems like the new secret weapon of all those who still think they should not be getting killed by anyone. As far as I know the HMG and shotguns don't even have AA, no? Stop the QQing and get the ** over the fact that most console FPS games use some form of AA because gamepads are a ***** terrible input method for FPSs. ________________________________ The Bolt Pistol does not need its AA removed. It needs its damage reduced. Plain and simple. When you remove the AA you don't solve the problem. Instead of an OP weapon that everyone uses it would just become an OP weapon that only the console FPS vets use. Give the Bolt Pistol its old ROF and clipsize and reduce the damage by 20%. It's not a bad thing if AA is removed. Nor is it a bad thing, if it becomes a vet weapon. Those good enough to use it, will use it. This will basically give it the same handicap as sniper rifles. Be on point, or miss. This way, even if you get in close on a vet using the bolt pistol, you have a good shot at taking him out with AA doing the work for him. A vet would not spam using it in hipfire. They would ADS at appropriate range and/or circumstance. I'm not against keeping AA, either. I do prefer seeing the old rof and clipsize, but it will need more of a 30% damage reduction, and it will need a range buff. I'd even ask for an additional kick reduction bonus. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.



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