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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:51:00 -
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Discuss or go further?
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:52:00 -
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Would be a good start.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Discuss or go further?
needs a significant damage nerf. 180 for the basic sounds good
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:03:00 -
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Try it and see.
Remember, incremental nerfs. If it is not enough, do a step two. If that is not enough, go to step three. Better to Nerf not enough than too much *cough*flaylock*cough*
The "steps" as I see them:
1) remove aim assist
2) lower damage  SLIGHTLY
3) decrease ROF SLIGHTLY
4) take step 2 a LITTLE further
...etc
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:06:00 -
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I would like to see a strong argument that the bolt pistol is OP other than "IT'S OP BECAUSE IT KILLED ME!" before any discussion of nerfs happen.
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CamClarke
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:36:00 -
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If you turn off Aim Assist on the Bolt Pistol, then turn it off for Shotguns and HMGs.
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:39:00 -
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Swap it's hip fire with a IoP *cough*
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Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:41:00 -
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CamClarke wrote:If you turn off Aim Assist on the Bolt Pistol, then turn it off for Shotguns and HMGs.
Are these weapons aim-assisted?
Shoot scout with yes.
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:CamClarke wrote:If you turn off Aim Assist on the Bolt Pistol, then turn it off for Shotguns and HMGs.
Are these weapons aim-assisted?
yes. The only weapons that aren't are the sniper, forge, plasma cannon, mass driver,and flaylock. Not 100% about the last 3 though.
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BONERBOMB TIGBITTIES
THE BONERBOMBS
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:45:00 -
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I think its fine the way it is. Its should do 250 for proto since it has the lowest ROF of all sidearms. And the range and clip were nerfed in delta? Too many babies crying.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:49:00 -
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Honestly im not fan of AimAss, but i see this just like shadow of this event.
After the event everyone will go just back to prim. arms.
If you want to take it out, oki i dont mind but this will be just favour for that boyos who basicaly was riped by its powerfull dam and start QQ here, nothing else.
With this next time it will be SMG, later flaylock and later even an autolock on swarmies.
Right now everything is pretty balanced, i dont know i see it like just another favour for QQ, nothing else.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:53:00 -
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think the damage could be toned down to 200 a shot at mil/standard.. then 220 at adv and 240 at pro.. the main problem atm is the fact every one and their mother is useing sidearms for bonus sp so i may say tough it out and pray that after the event bolt pistol use drops off again
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:58:00 -
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What about change the shootin' patern from pure elevation up to something Zig/Zaggish.
Like if you shooting heavy pistol in real, insted of pattern up, change it to diagonal UP-LEFT recoil (like for righ handed) 
Maybe tweek little damage, but it still should be strongest sidearm per shoot on battlefield 
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Monty Mole Clone
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:59:00 -
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get rid of it altogether i say
quite frankly my dear i don't give a damn
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BlazeXYZ
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:03:00 -
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Take away the AA on the bolt pistol and give it to the flaylock pistol. Would this make the FP op?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.05 01:09:00 -
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Most likely, as without Aim Assist shots can easily be dodged via jumping and strafing in sync with the Bolt Pistol's shots. Though I wouldn't recommend trying this at Long Range.
BlazeXYZ wrote:Take away the AA on the bolt pistol and give it to the flaylock pistol. Would this make the FP op?
Weren't FLPs originally supposed to have homing rockets?
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
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Posted - 2014.10.05 01:24:00 -
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turn AA off on all long range weapons.
or put bolt pistol back to its balanced state befor sidearm changes.
or compeltley remove aim assist altogether.
not that removeing AA would bother me though. I play with mine turned off and still use a ds3 
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y678iop
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.05 01:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Discuss or go further?
Drop the clip size to 2 and we are good, slightly faster reload. Nerf range by 5 meters.
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Prinny Waters
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:10:00 -
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I feel like a militia/basic damage drop to around 190 with appropriate increases for adv/proto would work well, currently I am running around with a basic bolt pistol killing anything short of a Heavy in three shots. I'm not going to say this is a problem in and of itself but it is definitely an issue that I've got one rank in operation and I'm consistently butchering people with body shots, no modules or skill investment. Seriously, this thing made my basic light suit into a murder machine!
Also, I strongly recommend toning down the headshot bonus. I consistently one-shot medium suits if I manage to bean them in the head, which can leave me with mixed feelings in situations where I had no right to survive. I don't know what the current bonus is but it feels like its higher than 200%, maybe lower it to 175% total and see if that works with the lowered base damage? I would still have trouble with Heavies, as I am terrible at headshots, but at least it would keep me from accidentally one-shotting Mediums.
If people had to run modules, or at least equip a prototype bot pistol, to do this kind of damage then things might even out. As it stands, there is definitely too much damage on this weapon... the feel is perfect though, please leave everything else the same. |
syzygiet
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:16:00 -
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As a mouse and keyboard user i use the sniper,forge and mass driver. Forge and sniper for long distance engagements and mass driver close engagement because when i go up against a scout with any other weapon the lack of an aim assist makes it impossible to hit them.
With that said I tried the bolt pistol with mouse and keyboard and it is almost impossible to use on a moving target without aim assist due to the slow rate of fire and small clip size.
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hfderrtgvcd
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:22:00 -
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syzygiet wrote:As a mouse and keyboard user i use the sniper,forge and mass driver. Forge and sniper for long distance engagements and mass driver close engagement because when i go up against a scout with any other weapon the lack of an aim assist makes it impossible to hit them.
With that said I tried the bolt pistol with mouse and keyboard and it is almost impossible to use on a moving target without aim assist due to the slow rate of fire and small clip size.
aim assist doesn't work for mouse and keyboard anyway
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:25:00 -
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syzygiet wrote:As a mouse and keyboard user i use the sniper,forge and mass driver. Forge and sniper for long distance engagements and mass driver close engagement because when i go up against a scout with any other weapon the lack of an aim assist makes it impossible to hit them.
With that said I tried the bolt pistol with mouse and keyboard and it is almost impossible to use on a moving target without aim assist due to the slow rate of fire and small clip size.
Than you basicaly tellin' its hard to use that on KM without Aimass  if thats right boyo, thats mean only .. they took out AimAss and all of bolter have useless weapon?! 
Not good matee, not good 
Oh oki AimAss doest working for KM, whats mean..oh hell with it i should try how its it
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:39:00 -
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Why not take it off all weapons?
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1005
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:45:00 -
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It would be a good start, though instead of talk on continuing with the nerfs, perhaps buffing the other sidearms to be able to compete in some way, shape or form would be more beneficial. I feel that part of the reason so many people are complaining (aside from the influx of BP's due to the sidearm event and everyone wanting to test the weapon) is due to the fact that the other sidearms don't really compare. It's easy to lose to a BP in close range, even if you have an SMG, ScP, or IP because the BP can one to two shot most suits. Add in AA and it makes the weapon far more effective, even in the hands of lesser skilled players.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:53:00 -
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There are sidearm weapons in this game with no range that pale in comparison to the effective dmg of the bolt pistol in this state no sidearms can compete with this weapon along with many primaries and you bring up discussions like this? You know what bro It would be nice if the people that didn't do there jobs or are not fit enough to do there jobs were replaced. **** it lol they might as well shut the game down now I mean are you going to repeat these cycles in legion? cause it doesn't look to me like there is any real attempt to balance this game.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.05 03:50:00 -
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How about just turning off AA for all and everyone?
On a more serious note, I feel it is the initial damage the bolt pistol is able to do that makes it a little OP. I think a small damage nerf should about put it in the right place.
If you have been noticing, players that used the bolt pistol said it was not that bad before the buff. The current level of power is proving to be a little op. Don't nerf its damage drastically though just enough.
Oh yea as the guy above me said, some of the sidearms really are terrible compared.
The magsec really struggles. Yes you can get kills with it but lets be honest, the SMG is better to use and for marksmen the pistols offer a lot more.
Bolt nerf, Magsec buff!
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Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.05 03:59:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:How about just turning off AA for all and everyone?
I believe they're able to turn it up and down on a per weapon basis.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Prinny Waters
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.05 04:12:00 -
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I honestly don't think the bolt pistol was good in Charlie. I can't speak for how much damage advanced or proto versions did but I can't imagine the difference in damage making up for the fundamental flaws. Yes, it was possible to get nice results with it, but it lacked the punch of a cqc weapon while lacking the range to handle long range affairs. Its damage was not downright terrible but its range was so low it felt like any range where the bolt pistol was useful was a range every other sidearm would've been better.
Magsec had a similar first shot delay and range but put out solid damage with a lot more forgiveness if you missed. Smg was, and still is, a close range beast so you didn't need the magsec range you obviously wanted smg damage. The Scrambler pistol had a similar feel to the bolt but got more rounds per clip and the headshot bonus was so sweet that there did not feel like much point in the bolt pistol existing, since if you got even one scrambler headshot you did so much the bolt pistol felt weak... |
X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.05 04:21:00 -
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It would be a good start
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.05 04:26:00 -
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To be honest, I wish the rail rifle functioned like the bolt pistol. Hits hard, shoots slow, charges for each shot. I think aim assist should be toned down, I notice I get a lot more help from the bolt pistol than I do the rail rifle (Caldari loyalist here) but removing altogether seems excessive. I think damage is perfect, if it receives a DPs Nerf I'd rather it all be in the ROF part of the equation.
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