DUST Search - Tanks are going to be OP again in echo.

Reign Omega wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote:

They are reducing the armor penalty on armor plates! now the madds and gunns can run away! Unlike drop ships tanks can hide in between stuff so we have to stop this.

Lets all begin a petion to keep tanks nerfed and AV OP so we can keep the ground game alive. #COD #DEW #YOLO #FB #INSTAGRAM #TWITTER #MONSTERDRINKS

AV is so OP now it is ridiculous. We can three shot an Incubus in under 5 seconds, kill a Maddy in 4 and an installation in 6 with only 1 second between shots. We have shield boosters, hardeners, and rep 100% in seconds, plus we can move at 40 m/s and can one shot a heavy dropsuit.

Oh wait, that is tanks, AV can't do any of that. We also aren't immune to small arms and we don't get to wear a second dropsuit under our first one. Still, I'm sure that AV is OP compared to tanks, because, ummm, a tank got killed by AV once.

If you can't destroy a tank with AV then you are doing AV wrong.

If you want the tank destroyed then chase it down. Don't just stand in one spot shooting any energy vehicle that nears you. All you will do is scare it off. And I assure you no tanker and pilot will stay still while you shoot at it.

You want it destroyed? Chase it down.

Also to re-stock a well fitted tank, means about 2-3 matches.
My missile Gunnlogi costs over 400k ISK. You'll be doing a huge damage to my wallet if you destroy that tank. Even if I choose to leave it behind.

With that said, a respectable tanker/pilot will never abandon it's vehicle.
I never abandon my tanks. Even if I know they are one shot away from being destroyed.

Sorry in advance for not snipping, my tablet hates to snip.

A few things....

1) closed beta vet and 400k hurts your wallet? Does not compute.
2) tanks have been P, not OP since I skilled into swarms, proxies, nades, figured out how to call in an LAV, and decided to bring a friend, then they gave me a commando. Then they buffed swarms. Then I got proto forges. And then...and then..and then...

Your average Joe gets killed by tanks because he doesn't have enough sp to have all the goodies I have? Ever seen those clips of poor middle easterners fighting tanks with rocks? Keep on rolling.

I Should hope tanks get stronger, if they can't get BETTER. I kill those things as fast solo as I do most of these helpless blueberries in any suit I wear because they don't have the sp, sound familiar (tanks)? I used to love parking on a tower and farming vehicles all match, but that's because I needed the sp and money lol. Do something to help these dudes out. Vehicles are boring, fighting them and diving them.

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Reign Omega Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2014.10.11 03:31:00 - [61] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: They are reducing the armor penalty on armor plates! now the madds and gunns can run away! Unlike drop ships tanks can hide in between stuff so we have to stop this. Lets all begin a petion to keep tanks nerfed and AV OP so we can keep the ground game alive. #COD #DEW #YOLO #FB #INSTAGRAM #TWITTER #MONSTERDRINKS AV is so OP now it is ridiculous. We can three shot an Incubus in under 5 seconds, kill a Maddy in 4 and an installation in 6 with only 1 second between shots. We have shield boosters, hardeners, and rep 100% in seconds, plus we can move at 40 m/s and can one shot a heavy dropsuit. Oh wait, that is tanks, AV can't do any of that. We also aren't immune to small arms and we don't get to wear a second dropsuit under our first one. Still, I'm sure that AV is OP compared to tanks, because, ummm, a tank got killed by AV once. If you can't destroy a tank with AV then you are doing AV wrong. If you want the tank destroyed then chase it down. Don't just stand in one spot shooting any energy vehicle that nears you. All you will do is scare it off. And I assure you no tanker and pilot will stay still while you shoot at it. You want it destroyed? Chase it down. Also to re-stock a well fitted tank, means about 2-3 matches. My missile Gunnlogi costs over 400k ISK. You'll be doing a huge damage to my wallet if you destroy that tank. Even if I choose to leave it behind. With that said, a respectable tanker/pilot will never abandon it's vehicle. I never abandon my tanks. Even if I know they are one shot away from being destroyed. Sorry in advance for not snipping, my tablet hates to snip. A few things.... 1) closed beta vet and 400k hurts your wallet? Does not compute. 2) tanks have been P, not OP since I skilled into swarms, proxies, nades, figured out how to call in an LAV, and decided to bring a friend, then they gave me a commando. Then they buffed swarms. Then I got proto forges. And then...and then..and then... Your average Joe gets killed by tanks because he doesn't have enough sp to have all the goodies I have? Ever seen those clips of poor middle easterners fighting tanks with rocks? Keep on rolling. I Should hope tanks get stronger, if they can't get BETTER. I kill those things as fast solo as I do most of these helpless blueberries in any suit I wear because they don't have the sp, sound familiar (tanks)? I used to love parking on a tower and farming vehicles all match, but that's because I needed the sp and money lol. Do something to help these dudes out. Vehicles are boring, fighting them and diving them. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 399	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:42:00 - [62] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: They are reducing the armor penalty on armor plates! now the madds and gunns can run away! Unlike drop ships tanks can hide in between stuff so we have to stop this. Lets all begin a petion to keep tanks nerfed and AV OP so we can keep the ground game alive. #COD #DEW #YOLO #FB #INSTAGRAM #TWITTER #MONSTERDRINKS AV is so OP now it is ridiculous. We can three shot an Incubus in under 5 seconds, kill a Maddy in 4 and an installation in 6 with only 1 second between shots. We have shield boosters, hardeners, and rep 100% in seconds, plus we can move at 40 m/s and can one shot a heavy dropsuit. Oh wait, that is tanks, AV can't do any of that. We also aren't immune to small arms and we don't get to wear a second dropsuit under our first one. Still, I'm sure that AV is OP compared to tanks, because, ummm, a tank got killed by AV once. If you can't destroy a tank with AV then you are doing AV wrong. If you want the tank destroyed then chase it down. Don't just stand in one spot shooting any energy vehicle that nears you. All you will do is scare it off. And I assure you no tanker and pilot will stay still while you shoot at it. You want it destroyed? Chase it down. Also to re-stock a well fitted tank, means about 2-3 matches. My missile Gunnlogi costs over 400k ISK. You'll be doing a huge damage to my wallet if you destroy that tank. Even if I choose to leave it behind. With that said, a respectable tanker/pilot will never abandon it's vehicle. I never abandon my tanks. Even if I know they are one shot away from being destroyed. Sorry in advance for not snipping, my tablet hates to snip. A few things.... 1) closed beta vet and 400k hurts your wallet? Does not compute. 2) tanks have been P, not OP since I skilled into swarms, proxies, nades, figured out how to call in an LAV, and decided to bring a friend, then they gave me a commando. Then they buffed swarms. Then I got proto forges. And then...and then..and then... Your average Joe gets killed by tanks because he doesn't have enough sp to have all the goodies I have? Ever seen those clips of poor middle easterners fighting tanks with rocks? Keep on rolling. I Should hope tanks get stronger, if they can't get BETTER. I kill those things as fast solo as I do most of these helpless blueberries in any suit I wear because they don't have the sp, sound familiar (tanks)? I used to love parking on a tower and farming vehicles all match, but that's because I needed the sp and money lol. Do something to help these dudes out. Vehicles are boring, fighting them and diving them. Well the only reason 400K hurts my wallet is because I only have 50 Million ISK. Which keeps going down because of Tanks. That and the fact that I have never participated in a PC. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1400	Posted - 2014.10.23 20:23:00 - [63] - Quote Don't care about the OP. He knows that serious tanks don't use plates now. The said change would only bring plated tanks slightly closer to top of the line. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 302	Posted - 2014.10.23 21:13:00 - [64] - Quote I wonGÇÖt stay too long on the point that a Dropship driver CAN tuck between buildings/structures and hide better than a heavy vehicle (one of the differences between a SKILLED DS operator and just a bragging GÇ£pilotGÇ¥)... CCP has mentioned repeatedly that they donGÇÖt like what happened to HAVGÇÖs hard-to-correct speed glitch,.. theyGÇÖve said it many times. If they are planning to reduce the armour penalty for vehicles, it may be in conjunction with finally reducing the HAVGÇÖs native speed, and they just havenGÇÖt discussed it out loud. In spite of the players who love to exploit a game-glitch, I think many of us feel the solution HAS to involve a return to a slow HAV groundspeed. A GÇ£proper, fun in the matchesGÇ¥ HAV would: -- have just enough slow speed to make the driverGÇÖs nervousness go up when GÇ£advancing down that innocent-looking roadGÇ¥, --make fleeing difficult when under attack, and --encourage shield/armour stacking as a way to steadily guarantee successful escape/ducking when choosing to shoot it out with an opponent. The same way a DS or LAV is a very limited tool when I stubbornly operate it solo, the HAV should have limited effectiveness when you choose to drive it out of the garage lone-wolf and are only acting as a mechanized sniper or drive-by hoodlum. Like the cloak-shotty, these players SHOULD be permitted to have fun using these vehicles that way if they want, but be handicapped enough by the vehicleGÇÖs shortcomings that they have to rely on deeper interaction with their team if they want to consistently affect the red teamGÇÖs gameplay. The combo of GÇ£returning the oleGÇÖ HAV slownessGÇ¥ + the offer to increase your hull strength without further loss of speed... would be a nice step in the right direction. I really LIKED having HAVGÇÖs on the battlefield in the past, scaring and killing me around the next corner,... but in their old slow version, not this famous Tommy-the-Tank version. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1396	Posted - 2014.10.23 22:00:00 - [65] - Quote Ah, they can run away now. Check out the vehicle skill tree for armor. Composition, or some such, reduces the armor movement penalty by 10% per level. Trust me, 30% makes a difference. That and not getting stuck on some stupid barrier. My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1293	Posted - 2014.10.23 22:11:00 - [66] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: They are reducing the armor penalty on armor plates! now the madds and gunns can run away! Unlike drop ships tanks can hide in between stuff so we have to stop this. Lets all begin a petion to keep tanks nerfed and AV OP so we can keep the ground game alive. #COD #DEW #YOLO #FB #INSTAGRAM #TWITTER #MONSTERDRINKS AV is so OP now it is ridiculous. We can three shot an Incubus in under 5 seconds, kill a Maddy in 4 and an installation in 6 with only 1 second between shots. We have shield boosters, hardeners, and rep 100% in seconds, plus we can move at 40 m/s and can one shot a heavy dropsuit. Oh wait, that is tanks, AV can't do any of that. We also aren't immune to small arms and we don't get to wear a second dropsuit under our first one. Still, I'm sure that AV is OP compared to tanks, because, ummm, a tank got killed by AV once. You're not playing WOT because you think your not happy now ? Hav's should be tanks but not really until you get to advanced and then you have an excuse . Av is in a great place , trust me . Let's get out of the habbit of nerf and buff . I understand you Bro in what ure saying but you have to remember that ure using advanced and proto anti-vehicle , against militia and standard vehicles ( besides ADS's ) . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1293	Posted - 2014.10.23 22:21:00 - [67] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If you can't destroy a tank with AV then you are doing AV wrong. If you want the tank destroyed then chase it down. Don't just stand in one spot shooting any energy vehicle that nears you. All you will do is scare it off. And I assure you no tanker and Your advice is for AV... people that move at sub 10 m/s, to chase down tanks that can travel at 20+ m/sec? Some tanker have figured out how not to be solo'ed. I snuck up on a madrugar, threw two lia dias at him and hit him with 3 volleys from my wiikryojaosfh(sp) launchers (with damage mods) and he still was able to speed away. Now if there were two of me we would have gangbanged him prety bad, but 1 vs 1 a tank can still easily survive against AV. Sounds fair to me . Even though I do plant .. swarm and forge but that's to let one know , " Don't come this way , you have to fly or drive around where you know I am " .., unless you wanna breach and then if you beat me , oh well ... but you better destroy the 2 or 3 spawns around me . I like the tactical aspect of this game but it just seems the people like to do what they want , they get killed and complain ... nerf and buff ... endless cycle and that's what I'm trying to put a stop to . Focus on what's important like bugs and glitches and such , build a foundation ... after that we can finish balancing because only thing that's left is to kill exploits and not complaints , true exploits . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1293	Posted - 2014.10.23 22:33:00 - [68] - Quote You can actually reduce the armor pen because there is a skill for that now . Once the next tier of vehicles are released , that will give people something else to talk about because they will say there overpowered and then the cycle begins again , instead of letting time tell what's imbalanced . I have investment in vehicles and I feel for the users but at the same time I do AV and I like that so ... I'm drawn but at the same time I have morals and values so I can tell what's right and wrong . That's prob the main ting from keeping that from happening , the re-introduction ... the complaints . I see that CCP is learning from their mistakes . I have to show respect where it's due and their due that to a certain extent . FF from last year was a huge mistake business wise . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .


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