Here is the way i see most people using scout suits:

Amarr: **** amarr is horrid, i aint seen no one use it yet
Minmitar: Usually dampened....some hackers
Gallante: Dampened all the time, with precision if for eWar or shield tanking.
Caldari: I am a caldari, so this is experience; shield tanked, dampened 9 times out of 10. Other time i stack precision mods and armor tank.

I feel the gallante and caldari scouts reign supreme, and the caldari should get precision bonuses instead of scan profile bonuses.

I say Cal is the best. That tankability and Broken Hitbox makes it superior to the Gal scout. But Gal has a pretty good bonus

Inter-balance between the scouts I really can't speak on, as I only have the amarr scout. I can say that the amarr scout is way better than it was at their release, but still seems to lag a little behind the cal and gal (this could be a case of grass is greener though).


I will say though that scouts are just too good in general. Too many of their stats are too far outside of the range of the other suits.
I will make a post in the future about this flaw.

switch the bonus to modules.
normalize the bonus of dampeners and precision enhancers to be equal in strength
normalize the base precision and siganture of scouts to be equal in strength

solved.

switching the bonuses to modules sounds like a great idea and I agree to that.

but I can not agree to leveling the dampners and percisions. due to the changes in logi bonuses like the gall logi then could scan all scouts if you bring the damping up to precision levels and if you take the precision to dampner levels then amarr or caldari could passive scan all scouts

HOWEVER if the bonuses were to modules then it would work with the logi bonuses but the bonuses % would need to be adjusted to match present ewar levels.

but I can not agree to leveling the dampners and percisions. due to the changes in logi bonuses like the gall logi then could scan all scouts if you bring the damping up to precision levels and if you take the precision to dampner levels then amarr or caldari could passive scan all scouts

first of all 2 damps and your gal logi cant do ****, just like now.

and what is the problem that you would have to use damps to be actually invisible? that is the point, to have drawbacks. so if a caldari scouts wishes to see all stuff except a full damped gal scout in exchange for having zero hp than so it be. atleast he cannot participate in combat unlike now where the scout can still see almost everything but having enough hp together with a small hitbox.

switch the bonus to modules.
normalize the bonus of dampeners and precision enhancers to be equal in strength
normalize the base precision and siganture of scouts to be equal in strength

you can still hide from everything but you have atleast some drawbacks. solved.

Gal ... why does it need BOTH precision and damping?

Rattati sought to normalize ewar potentials among each of the three ewar-oriented scouts. One is frontrunner in each ewar capacity, but can achieve competency in the other ewar capacities, assuming he is fit to do so:

CA - Competent Dampening (16 dB), Competent Precision (20 dB), Strongest Scan Range (91m)
GA - Strongest Dampening (13 dB), Competent Precision (21 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m)
AM - Competent Dampening (15 dB), Strongest Precision (18 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m)

This is the "why" behind some of the counter-intuitive racial bonuses you see. We presume that the purpose behind ewar normalization was (1) to encourage build diversity and (2) to incentivize the use of ewar modules over HP tank.

1. that was a good idea but it backfired big time.

2. back when we had the 360 spin scanners a gall scout had to run 3-4 dampners to hide ...

3. ... but now he needs 2 complexs and an adv cloak and a proto gal logi with a dovulle focused scanner can not see him. that mean nothing can see him on radar period unless you are looking at him when he is not cloaked. here is why run a proto gal scout with 2 complex precisions, 2 complex dampners, & a proto cloak you are full ewar ready. oh wait! you still have 2 low slots to armor or speed tank with any adv to proto light weapon and sidearm plus remotes or hives.

oh btw that is 3 of the scouts but where is the Minnie?

1. I disagree. These racial bonus changes were implemented alongside Assault improvements with clearly defined goals in mind. Prior to these changes, the CA Scout was too effective in its recon capacity; many Scouts ran HP since they were going to be scanned regardless of whether or not they ran Damps. MN and AM Scouts were unhealthy in both comparative performance and in usage rates. HP-tanked GA and CA "Assault Lite Scouts" outnumbered actual Assaults. In a word, Scouts were a mess. Today, Assault usage is up and "Assault Lite" usage is down (per Rattati) ... I'm willing to bet that ewar module usage has also increased among each of the four Scouts, and I'm willing to bet that usage rates are leveling out among each of the four Scouts.

2. It almost seems as though you're speaking fondly of a time when 75% of mercs were slayer logis, 75% of weapons used were Rifles, and 75% of every battlefield was permascanned by active scanner. If this is your idea of healthy balance, then you and I aren't going to see eye-to-eye on anything.

3. So what? If he doesn't run HP in those two lows, he'll have 1/3 HP of the nearest Assault and 1/4 the HP of the nearest Heavy. If he does run HP, he'll have 1/2 the HP of the nearest Assault and 1/3 the HP of the nearest Heavy. And if he runs one Precision Enhancer, he'll pick up all hostile Scouts who fail to dampen.

The MinScout excels in areas other than ewar. His maximum ewar values are follows:

Scan Range - 76m
Scan Precision - 21 dB
Scan Profile - 16 dB

FYI: At 2 cmp damps, the MinScout can still be scanned by a AM Scout. At 3, he will beat everything except GA Logi + Focused. At 3 + Proto Cloak (on), he will dodge GA Logi + Focused.

The biggest problem with gal scout is he can evade all scans and has too many eHP after the 2 damps.
This effect is the same with cal scout, only less so.

The above is why the gal/cal scout are superior to the other scouts, IMO -- they simply can have too many HP and still be unscannable.

^ This is specific. An excellent example. Thank you :-)

If Rattati tells us that heavily armored Scouts are overperforming, then we should introduce changes which specifically target heavily armored Scouts. Greater movement penalties for armor plates on Scouts, for example.

If Rattati tells us that heavily shielded Scouts are overperforming, then we should introduce changes which specifically target heavily shielded Scouts. Greater recharge/delay penalties for extenders on Scouts, for example.