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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:36:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:Gal ... why does it need BOTH precision and damping?
Rattati sought to normalize ewar potentials among each of the three ewar-oriented scouts. One is frontrunner in each ewar capacity, but can achieve competency in the other ewar capacities, assuming he is fit to do so:
CA - Competent Dampening (16 dB), Competent Precision (20 dB), Strongest Scan Range (91m)
GA - Strongest Dampening (13 dB), Competent Precision (21 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m)
AM - Competent Dampening (15 dB), Strongest Precision (18 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m)
This is the "why" behind some of the counter-intuitive racial bonuses you see. We presume that the purpose behind ewar normalization was (1) to encourage build diversity and (2) to incentivize the use of ewar modules over HP tank.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 18:10:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:jace silencerww wrote:[GalScout] ... why does it need BOTH precision and damping? Rattati sought to normalize ewar potentials among each of the three ewar-oriented scouts. One is frontrunner in each ewar capacity, but can achieve competency in the other ewar capacities, assuming he is fit to do so: CA - Competent Dampening (16 dB), Competent Precision (20 dB), Strongest Scan Range (91m) GA - Strongest Dampening (13 dB), Competent Precision (21 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m) AM - Competent Dampening (15 dB), Strongest Precision (18 dB), Competent Scan Range (86m) This is the "why" behind some of the counter-intuitive racial bonuses you see. We presume that the purpose behind ewar normalization was (1) to encourage build diversity and (2) to incentivize the use of ewar modules over HP tank. 1. that was a good idea but it backfired big time. 2. back when we had the 360 spin scanners a gall scout had to run 3-4 dampners to hide ... 3. ... but now he needs 2 complexs and an adv cloak and a proto gal logi with a dovulle focused scanner can not see him. that mean nothing can see him on radar period unless you are looking at him when he is not cloaked. here is why run a proto gal scout with 2 complex precisions, 2 complex dampners, & a proto cloak you are full ewar ready. oh wait! you still have 2 low slots to armor or speed tank with any adv to proto light weapon and sidearm plus remotes or hives.
1. I disagree. These racial bonus changes were implemented alongside Assault improvements with clearly defined goals in mind. Prior to these changes, the CA Scout was too effective in its recon capacity; many Scouts ran HP since they were going to be scanned regardless of whether or not they ran Damps. MN and AM Scouts were unhealthy in both comparative performance and in usage rates. HP-tanked GA and CA "Assault Lite Scouts" outnumbered actual Assaults. In a word, Scouts were a mess. Today, Assault usage is up and "Assault Lite" usage is down (per Rattati) ... I'm willing to bet that ewar module usage has also increased among each of the four Scouts, and I'm willing to bet that usage rates are leveling out among each of the four Scouts.
2. It almost seems as though you're speaking fondly of a time when 75% of mercs were slayer logis, 75% of weapons used were Rifles, and 75% of every battlefield was permascanned by active scanner. If this is your idea of healthy balance, then you and I aren't going to see eye-to-eye on anything.
3. So what? If he doesn't run HP in those two lows, he'll have 1/3 the HP of the nearest Assault; if he does, he'll have 1/2. He will not likely out-slay Assaults on the frontline. And because of ewar normalization, if he runs one Precision Enhancer, he'll paint to TacNet all hostile Scouts who fail to dampen (which is pretty cool).
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Posted - 2014.10.06 18:22:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:
oh btw that is 3 of the scouts but where is the Minnie?
The MinScout excels in areas other than ewar. His maximum ewar values are follows:
Scan Range - 76m
Scan Precision - 21 dB
Scan Profile - 16 dB
FYI: At 2 cmp damps, the MinScout can still be scanned by a AM Scout. At 3, he will beat everything except GA Logi + Focused. At 3 + Proto Cloak (on), he will dodge GA Logi + Focused.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 19:00:00 -
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These types of conversations would be much more productive if we had specific problems to solve.
* Are Scouts overperforming?
* If so, which races are responsible for the overperformance?
* Of those, do the overperformers share common traits, such as particular loadouts or gear?
^ These are questions that you and I can ponder and debate but only Rattati can accurately answer. Once these questions are answered, then we'll have specific problems to solve.
It is good that you're thinking ahead in a general sense, but to debate finer points with you would be a waste of time, as such a debate would be based in speculation and anecdote.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 19:14:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:The biggest problem with gal scout is he can evade all scans and has too many eHP after the 2 damps.
This effect is the same with cal scout, only less so.
The above is why the gal/cal scout are superior to the other scouts, IMO -- they simply can have too many HP and still be unscannable.
^ This is specific. An excellent example. Thank you :-)
If Rattati tells us that heavily armored Scouts are overperforming, then we should introduce changes which specifically target heavily armored Scouts. Greater movement penalties for armor plates on Scouts, for example.
If Rattati tells us that heavily shielded Scouts are overperforming, then we should introduce changes which specifically target heavily shield Scouts. Greater recharge/delay penalties for extenders on Scouts, for example.
Shoot scout with yes.
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