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Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:59:00 - [1] - Quote i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy .. when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else... none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3615	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:02:00 - [2] - Quote Well, instead of nerfing ScR CQC, they buffed TAR CQC, so I'm guessing that instead of nerfing the RR out of it, they'll buff other rifles' CQC. CCP Logic(Loop).
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:06:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Well, instead of nerfing ScR CQC, they buffed TAR CQC, so I'm guessing that instead of nerfing the RR out of it, they'll buff other rifles' CQC. CCP Logic(Loop). thats cool remove the efficacy reduction and cqc falloff of the lr so it is equally viable in cqc as rr..but then why use things like ar or acr or ascr...why use anything other than a long range gun when..the long range gun is a god in cqc 2..why limit yourself..right now the rr is the best hands down all around gun its effective from cqc to lr ranges exceeding 100m its the scrub gun of dust has been ever since they made it no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Michael Arck 5772	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:38:00 - [4] - Quote You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 216	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:42:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Tectonic Fusion 2240	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:14:00 - [6] - Quote The TAR is way better in CQC lol But I agree the RR is pretty good in CQC when you're still a scrub. (GIF)
Henrietta Unknown CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 313	Posted - 2014.09.26 04:35:00 - [7] - Quote Ahaha... Maiden selena MORTIMOR (Shotgun) RR "Scrub" Have fun. RR dispersion is terribad in CQC it's not even funny when the scout gets 5 seconds of free passes, despite the lead "appearing" to make contact with his head. Henrietta Reborn
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 633	Posted - 2014.09.26 05:23:00 - [8] - Quote I've been using the Sever C-1 assault with a basic RR, and it's rediculously effective. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 882	Posted - 2014.09.26 07:05:00 - [9] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: Ahaha... Maiden selena MORTIMOR (Shotgun) RR "Scrub" Have fun. RR dispersion is terribad in CQC it's not even funny when the scout gets 5 seconds of free passes, despite the lead "appearing" to make contact with his head. the sounds more of an issue of you missing him than the spread being bad, the rail rifle is a monster up close the same as it is far away Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1528	Posted - 2014.09.26 07:14:00 - [10] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy .. when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else... none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. they nerfed the hipfire so WTF more do you need. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer

abdullah muzaffar G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 37	Posted - 2014.09.26 08:44:00 - [11] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: they nerfed the hipfire so WTF more do you need. lr like damage hill, but not as strong
Michael Arck 5778	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:38:00 - [12] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken LOL yes I'm defending a weapon that is unfairly criticized because its the pub favorite. Gives me flashbacks of the AR days. The DPS on RR is not as high. And because its a rail, in other words, because of how its fires, you can easily dodge its shots putting the user at a disadvantage. A quick juke move/strafe or duck behind cover will help. Not trying to talk as if you don't know these things. Its just that when I hear somebody complain about the RR, it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the problem comes from people being in engagements and someone pops them with a RR. I can understand that but really, what doesn't pop you while you're in engagement? I think the RR gets picked on unfairly. And lets face it, theres a wide variety of choice weapons that can stifle a RR user Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 222	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:03:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken LOL yes I'm defending a weapon that is unfairly criticized because its the pub favorite. Gives me flashbacks of the AR days. The DPS on RR is not as high. And because its a rail, in other words, because of how its fires, you can easily dodge its shots putting the user at a disadvantage. A quick juke move/strafe or duck behind cover will help. Not trying to talk as if you don't know these things. Its just that when I hear somebody complain about the RR, it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the problem comes from people being in engagements and someone pops them with a RR. I can understand that but really, what doesn't pop you while you're in engagement? I think the RR gets picked on unfairly. And lets face it, theres a wide variety of choice weapons that can stifle a RR user fact of the matter is it has the strogest cqc out of all the long range rifles..running a long range rifle is supposed to limiit you to an area of effect and make pushing outside the abilities of that area difficult thats the case with lr its the case with scr its the case with tar..but not rr..rr competes with smgs..it competes with hmgs in cqc.. the damn gun is equally effective in cqc..its a problem defending it doesnt change that...if ccp looked at the stats i bet rr the long range version gets more cqc kills than lr scr and tar combined since delta...as scr just got knocked down a power lvl in cqc now the two guns that should have the strongest cqc are the scr and tar because they have the shortest range ...lr being the longest range rifle should have the weakest cqc..which is the case and rr should have the second weakest which is not the case no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Atiim 12514	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:20:00 - [14] - Quote This has to be a joke. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 464	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:22:00 - [15] - Quote People just like to hate on the rail riffle. Nothing we can do but let them ***** and moan about it. Try telling them any other then what they want to hear is nonsense. All Caldari gear gets nerfed and nerfed! So sick of the haters. Don't like the rail riffle... Run a shield suit. By the time it reloads you'll be already gaining shield back and can hunt them down. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1533	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:36:00 - [16] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken LOL yes I'm defending a weapon that is unfairly criticized because its the pub favorite. Gives me flashbacks of the AR days. The DPS on RR is not as high. And because its a rail, in other words, because of how its fires, you can easily dodge its shots putting the user at a disadvantage. A quick juke move/strafe or duck behind cover will help. Not trying to talk as if you don't know these things. Its just that when I hear somebody complain about the RR, it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the problem comes from people being in engagements and someone pops them with a RR. I can understand that but really, what doesn't pop you while you're in engagement? I think the RR gets picked on unfairly. And lets face it, theres a wide variety of choice weapons that can stifle a RR user fact of the matter is it has the strogest cqc out of all the long range rifles..running a long range rifle is supposed to limiit you to an area of effect and make pushing outside the abilities of that area difficult thats the case with lr its the case with scr its the case with tar..but not rr..rr competes with smgs..it competes with hmgs in cqc.. the damn gun is equally effective in cqc..its a problem defending it doesnt change that...if ccp looked at the stats i bet rr the long range version gets more cqc kills than lr scr and tar combined since delta...as scr just got knocked down a power lvl in cqc now the two guns that should have the strongest cqc are the scr and tar because they have the shortest range ...lr being the longest range rifle should have the weakest cqc..which is the case and rr should have the second weakest which is not the case LOL RR good in CQC. go try that nonsense out in PC my misguided little friend. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3701	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:38:00 - [17] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: I've been using the Sever C-1 assault with a basic RR, and it's rediculously effective. So is the mlt shotgun and hmg. What you guys are saying is that assaults should never push a point. You want me to push with a cbr vs hmg or shotgun? No I'll use the gun I've used since its release. Now maybe if the ASCR is ever fixed to where it's viable I'll change my mind. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Michael Arck 5782	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:26:00 - [18] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken LOL yes I'm defending a weapon that is unfairly criticized because its the pub favorite. Gives me flashbacks of the AR days. The DPS on RR is not as high. And because its a rail, in other words, because of how its fires, you can easily dodge its shots putting the user at a disadvantage. A quick juke move/strafe or duck behind cover will help. Not trying to talk as if you don't know these things. Its just that when I hear somebody complain about the RR, it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the problem comes from people being in engagements and someone pops them with a RR. I can understand that but really, what doesn't pop you while you're in engagement? I think the RR gets picked on unfairly. And lets face it, theres a wide variety of choice weapons that can stifle a RR user fact of the matter is it has the strogest cqc out of all the long range rifles..running a long range rifle is supposed to limiit you to an area of effect and make pushing outside the abilities of that area difficult thats the case with lr its the case with scr its the case with tar..but not rr..rr competes with smgs..it competes with hmgs in cqc.. the damn gun is equally effective in cqc..its a problem defending it doesnt change that...if ccp looked at the stats i bet rr the long range version gets more cqc kills than lr scr and tar combined since delta...as scr just got knocked down a power lvl in cqc now the two guns that should have the strongest cqc are the scr and tar because they have the shortest range ...lr being the longest range rifle should have the weakest cqc..which is the case and rr should have the second weakest which is not the case You're arguing just to argue, jumping from one complaint point to the next. Anything can kill you CQC. Just like a mercenary who trained well could pop you in the face with PLC or someone blamming you with a FG up close. We don't consider those CQC viable but in the right hands they work. Nothing against you personally but the complaints of RR are just so damn tiring. They always follow the same format. "Range and damage is just too high! Nerf the RR" Logical and common sense provided to counter the argument "B-B-B-But what about CQC! It can kill me in CQC!" ...uhhhhh And???? That CQC argument is dumb. Because a mercenary has better aim, strategy and strafe plan than you doesn't mean that its grounds to nerf the RR even further into a joke weapon and that somehow it locks in CQC. Yes, you can die to anything in CQC except for swarms if you practiced long enough...WOW Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 224	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:39:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Michael Arck wrote: You have plenty of time to get away. Stubbornness gets you killed is that some half assed way of defending a weapon everyone knows is broken LOL yes I'm defending a weapon that is unfairly criticized because its the pub favorite. Gives me flashbacks of the AR days. The DPS on RR is not as high. And because its a rail, in other words, because of how its fires, you can easily dodge its shots putting the user at a disadvantage. A quick juke move/strafe or duck behind cover will help. Not trying to talk as if you don't know these things. Its just that when I hear somebody complain about the RR, it just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe the problem comes from people being in engagements and someone pops them with a RR. I can understand that but really, what doesn't pop you while you're in engagement? I think the RR gets picked on unfairly. And lets face it, theres a wide variety of choice weapons that can stifle a RR user fact of the matter is it has the strogest cqc out of all the long range rifles..running a long range rifle is supposed to limiit you to an area of effect and make pushing outside the abilities of that area difficult thats the case with lr its the case with scr its the case with tar..but not rr..rr competes with smgs..it competes with hmgs in cqc.. the damn gun is equally effective in cqc..its a problem defending it doesnt change that...if ccp looked at the stats i bet rr the long range version gets more cqc kills than lr scr and tar combined since delta...as scr just got knocked down a power lvl in cqc now the two guns that should have the strongest cqc are the scr and tar because they have the shortest range ...lr being the longest range rifle should have the weakest cqc..which is the case and rr should have the second weakest which is not the case You're arguing just to argue, jumping from one complaint point to the next. Anything can kill you CQC. Just like a mercenary who trained well could pop you in the face with PLC or someone blamming you with a FG up close. We don't consider those CQC viable but in the right hands they work. Nothing against you personally but the complaints of RR are just so damn tiring. They always follow the same format. "Range and damage is just too high! Nerf the RR" Logical and common sense provided to counter the argument "B-B-B-But what about CQC! It can kill me in CQC!" ...uhhhhh And???? That CQC argument is dumb. Because a mercenary has better aim, strategy and strafe plan than you doesn't mean that its grounds to nerf the RR even further into a joke weapon and that somehow it locks in CQC. Yes, you can die to anything in CQC except for swarms if you practiced long enough...WOW if its ok and broken for the rr to be the best all around gun and function in every range..then all the other long range rifles should be just as good in cqc...you defending you noob stick pretty vehemently no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1543	Posted - 2014.09.26 18:33:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: This has to be a joke. I could not agree more. What a completely off base thread. Not only is the RR outshined in CQC by the AR and CR, but more than a few sidearms too. And it only got worse with Delta. And let's not forget that damn kick with ADS. Good luck killing anyone who knows how to strafe at distance or knows how to stay near cover. I think much of the QQing about the RR is just by people who don't use the weapon and were either killed at a distance where they had no answer or they simply suck in CQC. Because my take is, after playing all the rifles extensively since Delta dropped, is the RR is probably the 3rd or 4th best rifle in Delta. It only dominant at distance on stationary or moving-in-a-straight-line targets (i.e. people begging to be killed), and the RR is outshined in every way by the AR and CR (and even LR if you've got single-shot skills) in CQC. If you disagree, I suspect you've not tested them yet.

NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 465	Posted - 2014.09.26 18:52:00 - [21] - Quote Leadfoot10, "The rail riffle truly excels at stationary targets"... SLOW CLAP!! Nice Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1545	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:10:00 - [22] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: LOL RR good in CQC. go try that nonsense out in PC my misguided little friend. Exactly. Just as anyone who has competed in PC for the past 3 months (hell, since the CR's introduction) can tell you, the RR is about the worst choice you could make in terms of CQC, and you need only watch the killfeed in a few matches to find out the real truth of the matter. The RR's only use is in overwatch at distance (i.e. bridge camping) or on the outside doing something similar. Everywhere else, it's near the bottom of, or at the bottom of, the list.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1816	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:10:00 - [23] - Quote n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 219	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:17:00 - [24] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3703	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:20:00 - [25] - Quote Here's the CQC rating.. All CBR, then the AR's then SCR then RR then ASCR. Let's talk about something that actually needs fixed. The ASCR. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:21:00 - [26] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy .. when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else... none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. You are an idiot, so the rifle shouldnt work well up close? All the rifles are long range dummy, rail simply has the longest, doesnt mean it shouldnt work up close. Should the scrambler, combat, and plasma rifles all do less damage the closer they get? Its a dumb concept. Yes the rail has the longest range, that doesnt mean it should suck upclose. It has less ammo per clip, slow fire rate, and a charge time. If you are getting beat up close you are simply bad. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1816	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:21:00 - [27] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs The drawback is kick. Test it out for yourself. Rail kicks about double what the other rifles do. It shouldn't always lose in cqc, simply have a harder time with it. Those of us who practiced with it have learned to overcome the kick and can now fight up close with it. We got good, and we are rewarded. Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1545	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:23:00 - [28] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. Serious question: Have you ever used an RR?
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1816	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:24:00 - [29] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at worst delusional. FTFY Listen to my muscle memory Contemplate what I've been clinging to Forty-six and two ahead of me
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 219	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:28:00 - [30] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser

Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3704	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:32:00 - [31] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1546	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:36:00 - [32] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? It doesn't matter if you have 25,000 damage per mag if you die first. And that's exactly what happens because of the RR's hipfire dispersion and fire rate. RR users going against anyone equally competent holding a CR, AR, or even ScR do just that -- die. You can quote me numbers all you want. That doesn't change a thing of what will happen if you were to get into a CQC fight with me with a RR. You'd be dead and I'd likely have more than half my shields left, and it doesn't matter if I had a CR or AR, or even a Scrambler Pistol or Bolt pistol in my hand. Serious question: Have you ever used an RR? Because by the information you've provided it sounds like you've never used it. So you know, I have used the RR (both the regular RR, and my favorite, the UP aRR) virtually exclusively as my light weapon since its introduction. I use it every single day in pubs, and virtually every day in PC. I've probably dies five thousand times with that weapon over that time, and trust me when I tell you about how it stacks up against the other rifles.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 219	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:36:00 - [33] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet. 59.45542=2497 stupid as *** aye lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3704	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:41:00 - [34] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Monty Mole Clone wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices. Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet. 59.45542=2497 stupid as *** aye [/quote] When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:42:00 - [35] - Quote Wow really, the rail rifle? I wonder why shotguns, REs, HMGs and CRs are the only things on the kill feed in city maps, in CQC.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 219	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:49:00 - [36] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:53:00 - [37] - Quote I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3704	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:55:00 - [38] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak The scr wasn't too good it was being modded. And it's a little different when the scr can 1 shot most none proto suits. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:00:00 - [39] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 219	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:04:00 - [40] - Quote y678iop wrote: You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it. im cool with the scram changes, with the exception im not getting the same amount of shots as i once did lets just burn this motherfucker down pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser

Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:16:00 - [41] - Quote Monty Mole Clone wrote: y678iop wrote: You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it. im cool with the scram changes, with the exception im not getting the same amount of shots as i once did Well since you use the Scrambler Rifle, you should be able to nearly insta kill all the RR users in fairly long and close range because most RR users are shield tankers. If they are an armour tanker with a RR then you can easily do away with them with a CR at CQC Edit: Please feel free to throw ScrR numbers and shield HP numbers at me.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1539	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:18:00 - [42] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR. and now we can see the root of these peoples problems. i have one fit in my locker that dies very fast when going up against a rail rifle and that is my amarr assault stacked up with armor and damage mods. i think people really don't understand the way dust works. say your running around with a caldari scout suit and you put dampeners in your low slots and shields in your high someone with a scrambler rifle is going to smash you. now does this mean the scrambler rifle is OP while it my feel OP its the way you built your suit that leads you to die to a certain weapon. so the bigger problem we have here is there are many people running around that have no clue how to build a suit and scream nerf without understanding what dafuq is really going on. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.09.26 20:24:00 - [43] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR. and now we can see the root of these peoples problems. i have one fit in my locker that dies very fast when going up against a rail rifle and that is my amarr assault stacked up with armor and damage mods. i think people really don't understand the way dust works. say your running around with a caldari scout suit and you put dampeners in your low slots and shields in your high someone with a scrambler rifle is going to smash you. now does this mean the scrambler rifle is OP while it my feel OP its the way you built your suit that leads you to die to a certain weapon. so the bigger problem we have here is there are many people running around that have no clue how to build a suit and scream nerf without understanding what dafuq is really going on. I posted this in my alliance chat a few weeks ago: Damage profiles cause QQ. All the armour tankers will complain about the CRs and RRs while the shield tankers will complain about the ARs and ScrRs. But the RR being too good at CQC is a huge lol.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 635	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:21:00 - [44] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: I've been using the Sever C-1 assault with a basic RR, and it's rediculously effective. So is the mlt shotgun and hmg. What you guys are saying is that assaults should never push a point. You want me to push with a cbr vs hmg or shotgun? No I'll use the gun I've used since its release. Now maybe if the ASCR is ever fixed to where it's viable I'll change my mind. Oh no, don' get me wrong. I really don't think its op, just effective. Then again, I use it the right way, so should anything be effective if used right. I have a sever scout with a shotty and sever sentinel, and they're both ridiculously effective in different situations. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 435	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:33:00 - [45] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy .. when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else... none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. Lol, noob Quit complaining and get a Flaylock out Master of The Flaylock
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:35:00 - [46] - Quote y678iop wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy .. when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else... none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. You are an idiot, so the rifle shouldnt work well up close? All the rifles are long range dummy, rail simply has the longest, doesnt mean it shouldnt work up close. Should the scrambler, combat, and plasma rifles all do less damage the closer they get? Its a dumb concept. Yes the rail has the longest range, that doesnt mean it should suck upclose. It has less ammo per clip, slow fire rate, and a charge time. If you are getting beat up close you are simply bad. 1 rr isnt the longest range lr is 2 no not all rifles are long range a good chunk of them are pretty much useless after 60m 3 your arguement stands on nothing "yes the rr is the longest range weapon bbut that doesnt mean it shouldnt have strong cqc..if sniper was half as viable as rr in mid range even i wouldnt say ****... but fact of the matter is when set next to the other guns and their slaughter zones rr has an abnormally strong cqc..for its range also i think its funny how many people are standing up to defend their newb tube no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Atiim 12525	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:39:00 - [47] - Quote I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:42:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:43:00 - [49] - Quote Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Atiim 12525	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:47:00 - [50] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with I can do the same with just about any Commando and it's proper weapon. Heck, if you're bored then put a CR on a MinCom and you'll kill just about any suit in the game in a second. Heck, a SCR on an AmCom can kill anything faster than the CalCom w/RR could ever dream of. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:49:00 - [51] - Quote Atiim wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with I can do the same with just about any Commando and it's proper weapon. Heck, if you're bored then put a CR on a MinCom and you'll kill just about any suit in the game in a second. Heck, a SCR on an AmCom can kill anything faster than the CalCom w/RR could ever dream of. but im using a frontline suit witha mlt rr..and still feeling it and i only has one point in cal mando no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Atiim 12528	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:51:00 - [52] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr If you're owing Sentinels in 15m they've either run out of ammo, or are terrible. Either way, this is anecdotal and not a valid reason to nerf anything. But considering how you run Amarr Assault w/LRs and SCRs I can't help note that this is an attempt to push your personal agenda, which is most likely true given how blatantly false your statements in this thread have been. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3716	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:55:00 - [53] - Quote If you beat an HMG with any light rifle in cqc then that player should i don't want to be rude but the hmg isn't for them then. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Zindorak 1.U.P 995	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:56:00 - [54] - Quote This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Atiim 12528	Posted - 2014.09.27 00:58:00 - [55] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: but im using a frontline suit witha mlt rr..and still feeling it and i only has one point in cal mando it just seems way to strong in cqc to me..i always refused to specc it and then they supposedly nerfed it...so i picked it up and was like pfft what nerf..120 mm kil kil kil...oh cqc kil kil kil..***** just ridiculous but ok its fine i suppose 1v1 any player with the slightest lick of confidence in Frontline fit with a MLT RR and see what happens. I can guarantee that you'll get slaughtered. Heck, there's only one person who's ever killed my with a RR in mid-range, and that's because I was charging in like an idiot. No RR (or any rifle in the game) has a 120m range, and even if it did that long-range combat, which RRs are supposed to excel at. Please, just admit you're pushing a personal agenda and we can be done here; it's obvious anyways. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3716	Posted - 2014.09.27 01:05:00 - [56] - Quote Zindorak wrote: This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused you to "get good". Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1543	Posted - 2014.09.27 01:09:00 - [57] - Quote Atiim wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Atiim wrote: I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr If you're owing Sentinels in 15m they've either run out of ammo, or are terrible. Either way, this is anecdotal and not a valid reason to nerf anything. But considering how you run Amarr Assault w/LRs and SCRs I can't help note that this is an attempt to push your personal agenda, which is most likely true given how blatantly false your statements in this thread have been. Ahhh amarr assault no wonder she whats the rail rifle nerfed. rail rifle is the counter to damage mod stacking armor tanking amarr assaults. you can't nerf weapons to buff your playstyle discussion has come to an end nice try tho. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Zindorak 1.U.P 996	Posted - 2014.09.27 01:11:00 - [58] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Zindorak wrote: This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused you to "get good". Yea BHMG and SG is easy mode Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.09.27 03:10:00 - [59] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Zindorak wrote: This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused me to "get good". TBh if they buffed ascr I wouldn't be nearly as pissed lol ...but amar is seriously crippled ..not that that us the reason for this thread..i however I do think after starting to spec other races rr cal assault is much easier ..Mostly when using the rr..long range version ..it's much easier to cqc..just how it is ..it's boringly easy to use to me..but if yall say it's balanced ...okm.i still say it's easy mode no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil


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