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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:32:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices.
Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:36:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices.
Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot?
It doesn't matter if you have 25,000 damage per mag if you die first. And that's exactly what happens because of the RR's hipfire dispersion and fire rate. RR users going against anyone equally competent holding a CR, AR, or even ScR do just that -- die.
You can quote me numbers all you want. That doesn't change a thing of what will happen if you were to get into a CQC fight with me with a RR. You'd be dead and I'd likely have more than half my shields left, and it doesn't matter if I had a CR or AR, or even a Scrambler Pistol or Bolt pistol in my hand.
Serious question: Have you ever used an RR? Because by the information you've provided it sounds like you've never used it.
So you know, I have used the RR (both the regular RR, and my favorite, the UP aRR) virtually exclusively as my light weapon since its introduction. I use it every single day in pubs, and virtually every day in PC. I've probably dies five thousand times with that weapon over that time, and trust me when I tell you about how it stacks up against the other rifles. |
Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:36:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices.
Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet.
59.455*42=2497
stupid as **** aye
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:41:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:n Rail rifle is excellent in its niche, and users with skill can make it work in cqc. People have this false notion that the weapon shouldn't be viable in cqc, which is asinine. There are certainly more viable weapons in cqc, but that doesn't mean it should be unable to perform in cqc. Only that the other rifles are better choices.
Here's something else to note. The meta game is armor stacking, so is it any wonder that the armor damaging rifles are preferred? being too good up close was part of the reason what got the scram nerfed, i dont see what makes the rail special when it can put out twice as much damage with no draw backs No draw backs? Twice as much damage? Really? Is a firing delay an advantage? Is the highest kick of all rifles an advantage? How is the LOWEST DPS of all the rifles somehow "twice as much damage"? See: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569You are at best misinformed and at best delusional. it can do something like 2500 dam per mag, you going to tell me that is not an advantage in cqc when the guy with a scram can only do half that if he lands every shot? You sir are stupid you're claiming it does about 62 DMG per bullet.
59.455*42=2497
stupid as **** aye
[/quote] When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:42:00 -
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Wow really, the rail rifle? I wonder why shotguns, REs, HMGs and CRs are the only things on the kill feed in city maps, in CQC. |
Monty Mole Clone
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:49:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ
since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:53:00 -
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I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 19:55:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak The scr wasn't too good it was being modded. And it's a little different when the scr can 1 shot most none proto suits.
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y678iop
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:00:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:When did it start doing 59? Or are you talking about armor since this is an anti armor weapon. Got a problem? Go run shields or get good. If you lose to a player with a RR who isn't as good as me then you should rethink your strategy or keep dying and blame the weapon for being OP. The sniper is OP cuz it one shot me when I was standing still. =ƒÿæ since im not on my ps3 im getting those numbers from proto fits, and im just pointing out the rail has enough damage at its disposal to drop any heavy, since the scram was too good up close whats good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it.
This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:04:00 -
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y678iop wrote:You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it.
im cool with the scram changes, with the exception im not getting the same amount of shots as i once did
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol vizzzzzzz goes my laser
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:16:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:y678iop wrote:You are but hurt about the scr rifle? Really dude? It needed a little something. It mlre to do with modded controllers and the fact that it had never really been nerfed than cqc. Get over it. im cool with the scram changes, with the exception im not getting the same amount of shots as i once did Well since you use the Scrambler Rifle, you should be able to nearly insta kill all the RR users in fairly long and close range because most RR users are shield tankers. If they are an armour tanker with a RR then you can easily do away with them with a CR at CQC
Edit: Please feel free to throw ScrR numbers and shield HP numbers at me. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:18:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR. and now we can see the root of these peoples problems. i have one fit in my locker that dies very fast when going up against a rail rifle and that is my amarr assault stacked up with armor and damage mods. i think people really don't understand the way dust works. say your running around with a caldari scout suit and you put dampeners in your low slots and shields in your high someone with a scrambler rifle is going to smash you. now does this mean the scrambler rifle is OP while it my feel OP its the way you built your suit that leads you to die to a certain weapon. so the bigger problem we have here is there are many people running around that have no clue how to build a suit and scream nerf without understanding what dafuq is really going on.
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:24:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:I could wager that the OP is from a plate stacker who can'tell move well. The RR will shred your armour at long range and CQC if you are not a competent strafer. Speed and shields are a easy counter to the RR. and now we can see the root of these peoples problems. i have one fit in my locker that dies very fast when going up against a rail rifle and that is my amarr assault stacked up with armor and damage mods. i think people really don't understand the way dust works. say your running around with a caldari scout suit and you put dampeners in your low slots and shields in your high someone with a scrambler rifle is going to smash you. now does this mean the scrambler rifle is OP while it my feel OP its the way you built your suit that leads you to die to a certain weapon. so the bigger problem we have here is there are many people running around that have no clue how to build a suit and scream nerf without understanding what dafuq is really going on. I posted this in my alliance chat a few weeks ago: Damage profiles cause QQ. All the armour tankers will complain about the CRs and RRs while the shield tankers will complain about the ARs and ScrRs.
But the RR being too good at CQC is a huge lol. |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:21:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:LUGMOS wrote:I've been using the Sever C-1 assault with a basic RR, and it's rediculously effective. So is the mlt shotgun and hmg. What you guys are saying is that assaults should never push a point. You want me to push with a cbr vs hmg or shotgun? No I'll use the gun I've used since its release. Now maybe if the ASCR is ever fixed to where it's viable I'll change my mind. Oh no, don' get me wrong. I really don't think its op, just effective. Then again, I use it the right way, so should anything be effective if used right. I have a sever scout with a shotty and sever sentinel, and they're both ridiculously effective in different situations.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Egonz4
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:33:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy ..
when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust
or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else...
none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. Lol, noob
Quit complaining and get a Flaylock out
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:35:00 -
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y678iop wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:i thought ccp was going to do something about that gun covering all ranges will great efficacy ..
when are you doing this ccp because im really sick of rr being the omnipotent ranged god of dust
or buff the cqc of all long range rifles so the all are just fantasmally better than everything else...
none of the long range rifles should be viable over things intended for cqc.. You are an idiot, so the rifle shouldnt work well up close? All the rifles are long range dummy, rail simply has the longest, doesnt mean it shouldnt work up close. Should the scrambler, combat, and plasma rifles all do less damage the closer they get? Its a dumb concept. Yes the rail has the longest range, that doesnt mean it should suck upclose. It has less ammo per clip, slow fire rate, and a charge time. If you are getting beat up close you are simply bad. 1 rr isnt the longest range lr is 2 no not all rifles are long range a good chunk of them are pretty much useless after 60m 3 your arguement stands on nothing "yes the rr is the longest range weapon bbut that doesnt mean it shouldnt have strong cqc..if sniper was half as viable as rr in mid range even i wouldnt say ****...
but fact of the matter is when set next to the other guns and their slaughter zones rr has an abnormally strong cqc..for its range
also i think its funny how many people are standing up to defend their newb tube
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:39:00 -
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I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:42:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face
i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit
at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:47:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with I can do the same with just about any Commando and it's proper weapon. Heck, if you're bored then put a CR on a MinCom and you'll kill just about any suit in the game in a second.
Heck, a SCR on an AmCom can kill anything faster than the CalCom w/RR could ever dream of.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. dude have u ever put one ona cal commando n just poped up in peoples face i just started using it recently and its hands down the easiest gun in dust to run with I can do the same with just about any Commando and it's proper weapon. Heck, if you're bored then put a CR on a MinCom and you'll kill just about any suit in the game in a second. Heck, a SCR on an AmCom can kill anything faster than the CalCom w/RR could ever dream of. but im using a frontline suit witha mlt rr..and still feeling it and i only has one point in cal mando
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:51:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr If you're owing Sentinels in 15m they've either run out of ammo, or are terrible. Either way, this is anecdotal and not a valid reason to nerf anything.
But considering how you run Amarr Assault w/LRs and SCRs I can't help note that this is an attempt to push your personal agenda, which is most likely true given how blatantly false your statements in this thread have been.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:55:00 -
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If you beat an HMG with any light rifle in cqc then that player should i don't want to be rude but the hmg isn't for them then.
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Zindorak
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:56:00 -
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This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room
Pokemon master!
Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:58:00 -
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: but im using a frontline suit witha mlt rr..and still feeling it and i only has one point in cal mando
it just seems way to strong in cqc to me..i always refused to specc it and then they supposedly nerfed it...so i picked it up and was like pfft what nerf..120 mm kil kil kil...oh cqc kil kil kil..***** just ridiculous but ok its fine i suppose
1v1 any player with the slightest lick of confidence in Frontline fit with a MLT RR and see what happens. I can guarantee that you'll get slaughtered. Heck, there's only one person who's ever killed my with a RR in mid-range, and that's because I was charging in like an idiot.
No RR (or any rifle in the game) has a 120m range, and even if it did that long-range combat, which RRs are supposed to excel at. Please, just admit you're pushing a personal agenda and we can be done here; it's obvious anyways.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.27 01:05:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused you to "get good".
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.27 01:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote:Atiim wrote:I honestly can't take the OP seriously after she said that RRs rival HMGs in CQC. ok well ...tell that to the heavies that im stomping all over with the mlt rr ona stnd suit at 15 m...that would be insanely hard with a lr ..is a cake walk with a rr If you're owing Sentinels in 15m they've either run out of ammo, or are terrible. Either way, this is anecdotal and not a valid reason to nerf anything. But considering how you run Amarr Assault w/LRs and SCRs I can't help note that this is an attempt to push your personal agenda, which is most likely true given how blatantly false your statements in this thread have been. Ahhh amarr assault no wonder she whats the rail rifle nerfed. rail rifle is the counter to damage mod stacking armor tanking amarr assaults. you can't nerf weapons to buff your playstyle discussion has come to an end nice try tho.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
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Posted - 2014.09.27 01:11:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Zindorak wrote:This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused you to "get good". Yea BHMG and SG is easy mode
Pokemon master!
Death to all Swarm scrubs
CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.27 03:10:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Zindorak wrote:This thing is stupid. All i see in pubs are Kaalakiota Rail Rifles. This weapon makes me mad and its easy mode. If you want to get 100/0 This is you weapon of choice. But anyway this weapon needs a nerf in Echo. Also i love how balanced ScR gets a nerf while Op Rail Rifle is just chilling in the non nerf room Scr was not balanced and we all know it. The RR is the most balanced weapon sorry the OP rifles got put in their place but now we need to buff the ones that need it. The ASCR haven't used AR on this update yet but I'm sure it still needs a buff. HMG, shotguns are still OP, my proto assault gets 2 shotted by mlt shotguns but that's balanced? How bout them proto heavies killing my proto assault before my RR can even shoot due to the charge up time? Don't expect to beat a player like me in CQC with a rifle, I've used underpowered **** for so long that I have the advantage now. Benefits of not chasing fotm is it caused me to "get good". TBh if they buffed ascr I wouldn't be nearly as pissed lol ...but amar is seriously crippled ..not that that us the reason for this thread..i however I do think after starting to spec other races rr cal assault is much easier ..Mostly when using the rr..long range version ..it's much easier to cqc..just how it is ..it's boringly easy to use to me..but if yall say it's balanced ...okm.i still say it's easy mode
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
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