I made a impossible fix suggestion once... Cut damage going in and out of the redline by 50% making staying there lame promoting getting out and hunting the enemy redline dangerous to the point of stupied.

And I've never seen snipers in ambush.G£în+Å

Redline Snipers.... LMFAO

With the changes there is only on time a redline sniper is a danger to the opposition,
And that is when the opposition push into the enemy side of map... GOOD

This makes redline snipers a threat to infantry zerging the redline.. GOOD

I have been running a MinCommando to test it out and sniping is awesome TY Rattati!
Snipers are now in a position where it's either find a risky vantage point, or camp and kill nothing.
And as for Sniper Vs Sniper fights.. much <3.. they are now intense engagements as both
Snipers can deal enough DMG to OHK headshot each other, rewards mobile sniping

Some mercs really enjoy the challenge of sniping in the 100m-200m area the new changes
make it viable to risk your ass doing so.. while removing the redline campers from 'most' games.

Please do not judge balance by what you saw in Public fights

One skilled proto sniper will go 50/0 Vs MLT grade opponents EZ.

because blow the 300 meter range the forge gun becomes the superior option and nerfing the forge gun any further mechanically to get rid of its advantage compromises their ability to av.

There are other ways to reduce the range of the sniper rifle though without a straight up nerf to their absolute range.

I am more than willing to advocate nerfing the zoom to help curb the desired effect.

I know that the other options is to screw with the damage over its distance curve so that at max distances you're hitting around a hypothetical 50% less damage while the ideal ranges can be below 300 meters. This however will take time to evaluate what those fall off distances can be how steep the curve could be and the like.

One thing I am noticing right now is the fewer number of heavy suits outside the calmando sniping and the number of mobile snipers increasing. It is also nice to see a smattering of all three rifles on the field so they seemed to be balanced against each other and should keep near to the current relative relationships with each other.

you're wrong and I'm sniper played all day today and these modifications leave obsolete sniper, the reason is simple, the distance is very short, and everyone sees you, and you die by rookies, besides these at ground and you can not see anyone that hinders all the sniper to death

How about makes dmg coming through the redline cut by 50% this forces them to leave or deal moronic dmg..howdidthattaste had that idea they can be as far away as they want but if they are somewhere an enemy can't reach ie they're redline dmg is lost

Here's an idea... Hey ads pilots wipe them tears and go kill all those snipers. I swear I saw thale's on the kill feed.

How about makes dmg coming through the redline cut by 50% this forces them to leave or deal moronic dmg..howdidthattaste had that idea they can be as far away as they want but if they are somewhere an enemy can't reach ie they're redline dmg is lost

How about anything involving the redline changing parameters of the game are out of the question for the time being?

What the **** you want us to do with sniperrifle????? run in burnzone and try hipfire reds??? c'mon! it's LONG RANGE WEAPON and that is why snipers sits in "safe" place! I know all the jobs in the battle since I have all classes. use cover if you are assault/logi, use logibro if you are heavy, use cloak and dampers if you are scout and if you are sniper... countersnipe. It's quite easy now to countersnipe. Even those heavysnipers fall down with 1 headshot. I have damped ck.0 scout to countersnipe and I can sit middle of the fight and search those snipers sitting somewhere.
So please, stop QQ and find your job and spot in the field.

My opinion on the sniper changes:

I think the changes were a step in the right direction, I like how each rifle now has its own role and is good in its own way.

Sniper zooms still suck. I think they should increase charge and normal rifle zoom since these rifles are intended to be used at longer ranges. Its difficult to identify the head on enemy models from even 300m away, much less 450, the zoom is inadequate for half the weapons effective range.

I dont think this patch is going to change the redline sniping "problem" in any real way (and I want to make it clear that I dont really think its a problem, there are plenty of ways to stop or avoid snipers in the redline to minimize their effectiveness). The root issue causing redline sniping is that snipers stay in the redline because its the only place they can actually use the sniper rifle without making themselves absurdly vulnerable.

If you give someone a weapon where they have to stop, crouch, zoom in (reducing their field of view to a small fraction of what it normally is) and keep that position for ~3 seconds to stabilize the weapon, so that they can then shoot for 4+ seconds in the hopes of connecting with enough shots to kill someone, they are going to have to do all the above in a safe place where they can expect to not have a shotgun scout decloak 3 feet behind them and give them a bunch of additional buckshot sized assholes.

Until the insane amount of risk the sniper firing routine exposes snipers to is reduced in some way, they are going to continue to mitigate that risk by staying in places where they wont get creamed the second they try to use their gun. This is why you almost always see snipers sitting on rooftops or in the redline. This isnt rocket surgery, its simple cause and effect. It doesnt matter what you do with the weapon ranges or making the redline somehow filter bullets, or whatever. The end result of the sniper mechanics as they are now is that they will be used in the redline or they will not be used at all.

How about anything involving the redline changing parameters of the game are out of the question for the time being?

WTF, the way things are going , might as well make sniper rifles into bow and arrow with suction cup tips.

Should be pretty simple then, find the map with the shortest distance between the redline and the points in domination, set MAX sniper range to the edge of the redline to the point. Done.

Or if that is too short, Max 300m range with a fall-off. No one is sniping anyone from 300m with forge guns. Most I ever see is 200ms. Sure 300 may happen once in a blue moon, but from 300m you can't really even see a target with the forge.

If forge sniping from 300 m is a problem, make the reticule no longer turn red for infantry for forge guns.

Here's an idea... Hey ads pilots wipe them tears and go kill all those snipers. I swear I saw thale's on the kill feed.

And now you know what it's like to be a target of a sniper.

I have no empathy for you or any sniper. You've had a practically zero risk game to play for more than a year now, so you'll pardon me if I'm not crying over the fact that you're now vulnerable if you leave the redline,...like everything else in this game.

If I were you, I'd be happy with the headshot bonuses and damage buffs and not QQing over having to leave the relative safety of the redline to get kills.

Useless, cowardly snipers.

What do you think I did with my dropship?

I use an ADS with a scanner on it (because of derp-rendering), and come in with a Python. Try to tear up the redline snipers. Burn away.

I haven't gotten a chance to try this tactic yet with Delta and the extreme amount of changes in the situation (Commando with sniper and swarms. either the caldari or minmatar would be effective in this situation, caldari for extra stopping power on sniping, minmatar for that added damage boost to missiles, not to mention the AB, and swarms change). That's too many numbers too see if ADSing is still an effective hard counter to snipers.

But if they are starter fits, you bet I'll tear them up in my ADS. Even more so, if I see an enemy Thale's in the feed, I'm hunting him down.

Anywho, whomever complains about snipers are complete, and utter, scrubs.

Should be pretty simple then, find the map with the shortest distance between the redline and the points in domination, set MAX sniper range to the edge of the redline to the point. Done.

Or if that is too short, Max 300m range with a fall-off. No one is sniping anyone from 300m with forge guns. Most I ever see is 200ms. Sure 300 may happen once in a blue moon, but from 300m you can't really even see a target with the forge.

If forge sniping from 300 m is a problem, make the reticule no longer turn red for infantry for forge guns.