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CommanderBolt wrote:

man- bear pig wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

man- bear pig wrote:

Also, still getting modded controller SCR's, You just end up surviving for 2 seconds instead of 1. Changing the heat build up to per shot is the only way you'll get rid of them.

Look man hitting 600 rpm is easy, I too used to complain about obvious rapid fire mods but there is no way this can be an issue now.

Its really not hard for even an average scrambler rifle user to hit a consistent 600rpm. You do realise that this is a very high dps weapon right? In fact the highest light weapon burst DPS.

Yes, I use it, I understand that it can perform at that level. I understand that people can get the rpm at that speed, but its when it is consistently at that speed, and the only thing that is changing is where they are shooting because I am moving it raises a question. When it also doesn't taper off at all, it simply stops after shooting for about 3 seconds, it raises a question, and when the guy is using frontline suit SCR in an ambush match doing this, yea I'm calling bullshit.

Your telling me that you can perform a 600rpm fire for 3 seconds straight, every time you shoot in the match, while at the same time use the same hand to track me as I dodge your bullets?

Next time I am on I will use the scrambler and see how it performs. I dont think it will be as hard as you make out man. The TAC AR used to be 500 and I found that very easy to oversample, the scrambler rof used to be what 700,750 something like that? Its lost a lot of rate of fire.

I dunno man il get back to you after some testing as I know there are a few that will abuse what ever they can get no matter how small a margin. I'm just saying be open to the possibility that 600rpm is quite doable. You should try the weapon out yourself.

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4346	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:28:00 - [31] - Quote Quote: We also fixed both Large Missile and Large Railgun Turret damage profiles and took the Burst Heavy Machine Gun down a notch, as it was needed. Of course I am biased, but dosen't the Burst HMG nerf deserve it's own bullet point? The Burst HMG has nothing to do with the Large Turrets, and you have used "and" twice in the sentence without the use of an ";". Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:29:00 - [32] - Quote Dude, really? Burst HMG got a double nerf? Increased heat buildup AND damage decrease? Can we at least get a decrease in recovery time on the inevitable overheat? Just running fast numbers, we get 5 rapid bursts instead of 6, so the overall damage nerf is as much as 25% decrease. Was that really 'needed'?
man- bear pig D3ATH CARD 43	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:42:00 - [33] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: man- bear pig wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: man- bear pig wrote: Also, still getting modded controller SCR's, You just end up surviving for 2 seconds instead of 1. Changing the heat build up to per shot is the only way you'll get rid of them. Look man hitting 600 rpm is easy, I too used to complain about obvious rapid fire mods but there is no way this can be an issue now. Its really not hard for even an average scrambler rifle user to hit a consistent 600rpm. You do realise that this is a very high dps weapon right? In fact the highest light weapon burst DPS. Yes, I use it, I understand that it can perform at that level. I understand that people can get the rpm at that speed, but its when it is consistently at that speed, and the only thing that is changing is where they are shooting because I am moving it raises a question. When it also doesn't taper off at all, it simply stops after shooting for about 3 seconds, it raises a question, and when the guy is using frontline suit SCR in an ambush match doing this, yea I'm calling bullshit. Your telling me that you can perform a 600rpm fire for 3 seconds straight, every time you shoot in the match, while at the same time use the same hand to track me as I dodge your bullets? Next time I am on I will use the scrambler and see how it performs. I dont think it will be as hard as you make out man. The TAC AR used to be 500 and I found that very easy to oversample, the scrambler rof used to be what 700,750 something like that? Its lost a lot of rate of fire. I dunno man il get back to you after some testing as I know there are a few that will abuse what ever they can get no matter how small a margin. I'm just saying be open to the possibility that 600rpm is quite doable. You should try the weapon out yourself. Right, I just told you I use it. I'm bringing up the issue now because modded controllers were the main reason why it had it's ROF cut down. Even with a decreased ROF, a modded controller still turns it into an automatic rifle with almost no kick back and an extremely high dps. a change to ROF doesn't change the fact that in the hands of someone with a modded controller it is extremely powerful. I love the gun, I'm trying to make sure it doesn't get it's DPS cut just because changing the ROF did nothing to get rid of the modded controllers. If you changed the heat build up to per shot, pumping out 600rpm with a modded controller is going to blow up on you a hell of a lot faster then someone using it with a regular controller, who is not putting out that ROF every time they shoot. Right now, the heat build up system has the same amount of build up when using the rifle to fire 3 round bursts, and using it to fire as fast as you can. The system they have in place is great for automatic weapons (HMG and blaster) and consistent weapons (Laser rifle), but it doesn't not work for a semi auto rifle. So before you start throwing insults and assuming I'm just ranting because you think I hate the SCR, play the game, run into a modded controller and tell me then that changing the ROF did anything to get rid of the cheaters.
Necalli XIBALBA Crows Assassins 4	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:42:00 - [34] - Quote R.I.P. DUST514
man- bear pig D3ATH CARD 45	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:58:00 - [35] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Next time I am on I will use the scrambler and see how it performs. I dont think it will be as hard as you make out man. The TAC AR used to be 500 and I found that very easy to oversample, the scrambler rof used to be what 700,750 something like that? Its lost a lot of rate of fire. I dunno man il get back to you after some testing as I know there are a few that will abuse what ever they can get no matter how small a margin. I'm just saying be open to the possibility that 600rpm is quite doable. You should try the weapon out yourself. If you read my comment earlier on the forum, you'd also see that I'm actually ok with the ROF at 600, I can still perform well with it, so the cut was not over extreme as many people were trying to say it was.
Clint Tosspon Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.09.24 20:20:00 - [36] - Quote I will have to see for myself I suppose what all of this balancing rifles is. I mean the CR got nerfed 3 times already and I noticed it is more efficient as a armor damaging weapon (which I understand of course), but why the SMG? Especially why the AS SMG? Was it not balanced? If not why not buff the other sidearms to have equal performance? People spend most if not all of their time maxing out the capabilities of their weapons and you take that away? Makes me question if there was any rationalizing at all here. Are the developers calling the shots or are the players? Who made the game? Think about it.
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 577	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:16:00 - [37] - Quote Rifle change specific info please.
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 2	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:22:00 - [38] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Rifle change specific info please. Can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bqr2OKuQXCKrvx721n07xLb5VYmwvXEoftyNqRg3ew8/edit#gid=1986456775 Edit: My personal favorite spec, under rifles 'Multiple small tweaks to parameters noone understands' LOL
4lbert Wesker Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.09.24 23:11:00 - [39] - Quote Kensai Dragon wrote: Dude, really? Burst HMG got a double nerf? Increased heat buildup AND damage decrease? Can we at least get a decrease in recovery time on the inevitable overheat? Just running fast numbers, we get 5 rapid bursts instead of 6, so the overall damage nerf is as much as 25% decrease. Was that really 'needed'? Yeah,that was needed.Shield tanked heavy could be killed in two good aimed Six Kin burst shots. I punched camel once,and it meows at me

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7942	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:46:00 - [40] - Quote Please post issues or discrepancies from stated intent here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2375326#post2375326 "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Espeon Bons Bloodline Rebellion Public.Disorder. 260	Posted - 2014.09.25 03:43:00 - [41] - Quote Thanks for making Assault dropships irrelevant again. Follow your bliss!
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 129	Posted - 2014.09.25 06:42:00 - [42] - Quote I am not trying to troll here but I just checked CCP Rattitti's comment on Delta. Regarding: Sniper rifles "reducing range a little". It would appear I seriously don't understand this statement. Hopefully he was joking or being ironic because losing 25% of 600m does not seem a like a 'little'. He and I don't share nationalities so this might have been meant as a joke, or was meant in a joking manner but frankly I find that it is insulting. I have SP to spend after the event but I hesitate as I don't want to spend it where 'little' adjustments are already targeted, making my hoped for improvements primed for a 25% gutting. Not just in Echo, but longer term. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 129	Posted - 2014.09.25 06:45:00 - [43] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: Thanks for making Assault dropships irrelevant again. Yes, that I noticed. Hardly worth being in a vehicle anymore. ADS or tank. And we have red line tanks again because any AV can force them off the battlefield where they wait for their modules to cool down. ADS does have it worse, IMO. At least by the numbers. Also, wasn't there supposed to be 30% reduction in small turret prices? Cause I didn't notice that. XT still cost 105K so I didn't look further. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
AndyPandy Puschel Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:21:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: by changing the Nanite Injector to heal Shields as well How does this actually work and what exactly was changed, i could not notice any difference in use and the tool-tip, description, attributes tab are still the same?
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 129	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:25:00 - [45] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: I am not trying to troll here but I just checked CCP Rattitti's comment on Delta. Regarding: Sniper rifles "reducing range a little". It would appear I seriously don't understand this statement. Hopefully he was joking or being ironic because losing 25% of 600m does not seem a like a 'little'. He and I don't share nationalities so this might have been meant as a joke, or was meant in a joking manner but frankly I find that it is insulting. I have SP to spend after the event but I hesitate as I don't want to spend it where 'little' adjustments are already targeted, making my hoped for improvements primed for a 25% gutting. Not just in Echo, but longer term. You do realize that 400m is still over enough to sit in your redline and effectively fire into objectives on most maps? there was literally no point in it having 600m before. Hell on most maps I can sit in the redline and be within 200m of objectives. It seriously is only a slight reduction when you think about how some maps from redline to redline is maybe 500-600m. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
IVIaster LUKE 686	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:37:00 - [46] - Quote Dat hit detection in delta is p!ss poor. Get'em to a quarter armor left and they take no damage. Also kin cats are the new armor plates. You shoot a speed demon (while they are running) and they take no damage just like the closed beta scouts of old. Man I miss Charlie's hit detection. Delta = the worse hit detection ever...... R.I.P. BENDECCO 1970 - 2014
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 569	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:10:00 - [47] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Glyd Path wrote: I am not trying to troll here but I just checked CCP Rattitti's comment on Delta. Regarding: Sniper rifles "reducing range a little". It would appear I seriously don't understand this statement. Hopefully he was joking or being ironic because losing 25% of 600m does not seem a like a 'little'. He and I don't share nationalities so this might have been meant as a joke, or was meant in a joking manner but frankly I find that it is insulting. I have SP to spend after the event but I hesitate as I don't want to spend it where 'little' adjustments are already targeted, making my hoped for improvements primed for a 25% gutting. Not just in Echo, but longer term. You do realize that 400m is still over enough to sit in your redline and effectively fire into objectives on most maps? there was literally no point in it having 600m before. Hell on most maps I can sit in the redline and be within 200m of objectives. It seriously is only a slight reduction when you think about how some maps from redline to redline is maybe 500-600m. Isn't that more an issue with redlining and map design? If the maps were larger (they stretch for 1000's of meters) it would help. So CCP could just move everything back so the "redline" is 500 or 600 meters from the objective on all sides. Redline sniping eliminated or completely ineffective being so far away from the main reason to have a sniper (objective overwatch). This will also increase the necessity for clone spawn points and uplinks. Logi's will be desired again because without either clone spawnpoints or drop uplinks in various strategic locations, people are going to have to hike/ride/fly/drive hundreds of meters to get back to the objective. Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
IVIaster LUKE 687	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:22:00 - [48] - Quote The game wasn't even balanced when they made these maps anyway. There in lays the problem. I wonder if Legion will have the same discrepancies. Delta = the worse hit detection ever...... R.I.P. BENDECCO 1970 - 2014
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 577	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:44:00 - [49] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: The game wasn't even balanced when they made these maps anyway. There in lays the problem. I wonder if Legion will have the same discrepancies. Agreed, but it would at least do SOMETHING to alleviate one of the problems plaguing the game Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1319	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:44:00 - [50] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: Dat hit detection in delta is p!ss poor. Get'em to a quarter armor left and they take no damage. Also kin cats are the new armor plates. You shoot a speed demon (while they are running) and they take no damage just like the closed beta scouts of old. Man I miss Charlie's hit detection. You're just bad at the game. Or laggy. Probably bad. mk.0 Scout with 2x complex kincats at full sprint, getting shredded by ScRs, RRs, CRs, you name it. Don't even get me started on bolt pistols. If it's visible, it's killable. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.

IVIaster LUKE 688	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:02:00 - [51] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: IVIaster LUKE wrote: Dat hit detection in delta is p!ss poor. Get'em to a quarter armor left and they take no damage. Also kin cats are the new armor plates. You shoot a speed demon (while they are running) and they take no damage just like the closed beta scouts of old. Man I miss Charlie's hit detection. You're just bad at the game. Or laggy. Probably bad. mk.0 Scout with 2x complex kincats at full sprint, getting shredded by ScRs, RRs, CRs, you name it. Don't even get me started on bolt pistols. If it's visible, it's killable. Yeah I have no skill. Secrets out. Whoopee!! Relax You don't have to worry about your Speed Demon. It just seems like the closed beta hit detection issues all over again. That's all. Delta = the worse hit detection ever...... R.I.P. BENDECCO 1970 - 2014
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1319	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:09:00 - [52] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: Yeah I have no skill. Secrets out. Whoopee!! Relax You don't have to worry about your Speed Demon. It just seems like the closed beta hit detection issues all over again. That's all. Fair enough. For the record, though, I only run the 2x kincat fit in niche situations. Damps are too important, so I'm usually 2x damp 1x kincat or 1x codebreaker. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
IVIaster LUKE 688	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:29:00 - [53] - Quote Honestly, I should've posted in technical support/bugs with my concerns. I apologize. I'm a simple 'Mountain Troll' without Rabies..that is. CCP please check hit detection. More Sugar, Less Vinegar. R.I.P. BENDECCO 1970 - 2014
JONAHBENHUR home of the forgotten 47	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:52:00 - [54] - Quote how come the assualt variant of the combat rifle has same ROF and does less damage ? is it for the run shoot glitch ? "To be a man you must have honor, "HONOR AND A PENIS !!" -shinoske noharu
Minion Max Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2014.09.26 05:04:00 - [55] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Minion Max wrote: Like tho sights on the Charge Sniper but that is all, none of the other changes. Ammo and range is cut Gàô . Other sniper rifles got a boost or no change to ammo. I guess I will have stop playing or tank out a Sentinel or Commando for sniping because a light will not cut it at 400m max. I guess the Devs do not understand what a snipers roll is. No offense, but 400m is way over enough range to be a sniper in any suit. Also you can't say that Rail rifles and such are killing you at 200m because they do so little damage that it won't affect you. I do my fair share of sniping in Commandos, Scouts, and logis and only rarely do I sit out at 400m. Usually i'll be within 200 meters doing fairly decent. Only difference now is more snipers will be easy to spot because they aren't used to being anywhere near a battle and don't know how to move from position to position to avoid being killed. Plus look at it this way, You are doing significantly more damage with all snipers, and being closer makes head shots easier so its easier to score a kill and then move to a new spot. I am on the field most of the time and run a the G-1 and G/1 Light 99% of the time. Sitting around 200m or so on half of the maps, 300 on the open ones keeping cover on a few objectives. I cover out to the 600m to deter someone trying to get to it, longest kill was almost 596m headshot in Bravo and 585m finishing shot in Charley. I prefer to stay above 4.0 being Dust is my first shooter, GT(1=6) 15y vet, and I do not believe you should be able to fit a light main gun to a heavy suit. That is like using a 155 Howie instead of pepper spay for crowd control or redline sniping in a Heavy. The ones I hate is the Cloaked Shoot guns, sneaky little bastards. Semper Fi. Cpl, 87-95
FrosTy GlocK NIGHT RIDERZ POD-SQUAD 1	Posted - 2014.09.26 07:24:00 - [56] - Quote I love the new reticle for the charge sniper. Having no trouble with the range since I'm usually within 300m. Its also nice that the headshot bonus is 300% now I feel headshots are actually rewarding Invincible? My swarm launcher says different
LOGAN XIII Proditus est 28	Posted - 2014.09.26 08:19:00 - [57] - Quote You drunk a s s diptards are acre sung this game up. Seriously. In what reality does it make sense to shorten sniper rifle ranges. When every country on this not as advanced as Eve universe is increasing sniper rifle ranges. In this less technological real world, snipers are making kills of over a kilometer, easily. With over a mile becoming quite frequent. I thought the Eve universe was supposed to be more advanced? And everything you alcohol swilling douche-wagons are doing is contrary to an advanced society. 300m????
Vapor Forseti DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 1565	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:15:00 - [58] - Quote LOGAN XIII wrote: You drunk a s s diptards are acre sung this game up. Seriously. In what reality does it make sense to shorten sniper rifle ranges. When every country on this not as advanced as Eve universe is increasing sniper rifle ranges. In this less technological real world, snipers are making kills of over a kilometer, easily. With over a mile becoming quite frequent. I thought the Eve universe was supposed to be more advanced? And everything you alcohol swilling douche-wagons are doing is contrary to an advanced society. 300m???? Don't even compare Dust to reality. It doesn't work that way. If you want that ***, then "go back to CoD." Now, using a sniper rifle will require you to make risk and enter deeper into the battlefield to actually contribute to your team. The headshot damage multiplier is now 300%, so you should be grateful. You don't even realize how generous this buff is. Lastly, it's 400m, not 300m. Get out. "I think not having a heart or soul in this case is an asset." -One Eyed King*
DEMONWOLF4891 Bahdo faal dovah 0	Posted - 2014.09.28 02:17:00 - [59] - Quote Bolt pistol is way way way OP!!!! Needs to be fixed and other then that all is good I think
jNs Vit4l THE 300 SPARTANS 28	Posted - 2014.09.28 15:05:00 - [60] - Quote DEMONWOLF4891 wrote: Bolt pistol is way way way OP!!!! Needs to be fixed and other then that all is good I think i aggree! Its OP nerfhammer coming soon. CEO of The 300 Spartans! Leader FC of J PLATOON VIT4L Min / Gal Fw FW FTW!



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