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X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 248	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:15:00 - [1] - Quote ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-
Michael Arck 5733	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:16:00 - [2] - Quote awaits posts on topic Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 90	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:33:00 - [3] - Quote Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5103	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:34:00 - [4] - Quote #0.000001% GOML EVE 21 Day Trial(7 Days longer then regular trial)
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 477	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:38:00 - [5] - Quote Did you just "shush" me mudder fugger? Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 256	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:51:00 - [6] - Quote I think proto suits were designed as the final solution for desperate situations. Need to quickly take out a tank? have to defend a point by yourself? bring out your best. But only if you're willing to gamble your isk on a victory. While CCP does want us to use proto, I don't think they want us to use proto 24/7. They would much prefer us spending the match adapting to our battle environment. whether that means swarming with tons of cheap militia suits to provide a distraction, or soloing in an advanced suit to keep yourself semi-self sufficient, etc etc. That's my opinion. you shouldn't run prot 24/7 unless you have the means to. if you don't, time to downgrade and save up isk (or join a corp that pays well). Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 841	Posted - 2014.09.24 00:54:00 - [7] - Quote Agreed. I have said this before on the forums, but one of the major problems of the NPE that I truly wish that CCP would recognize is the difference between getting outgeared and getting outplayed, and how it affects player retention. Being outplayed (i.e, losing due to poor strategy, poor teamwork, or sub-standard player ability) does not lead new mercs to want to discontinue playing, generally speaking; it leads them to work harder for the win. This statement only applies to new mercs that are up to Dust's steep challenge, of course, but this is a mature game for a mature playerbase, and will not necessarily appeal to everyone that runs across it, and that's ok. I think we can all agree that this game isn't, and shouldn't be, for everyone. However, among those players that are right for Dust, being outgeared (i.e., losing because you are unable to run the best gear consistently) leads to feelings of hopelessness, then rage, then apathy -- ultimately leading a player to discontinue playing for good. This right here is what CCP needs to address if they hope to widen it's appeal among people who are right for this game. So for me, anything that evens the playing field out in public matches would be a good change. Either increase payouts, or decrease proto gear pricing, or meta-level capped matches, they all solve the same problem. I think the best method, even with the new 'mu' matchmaking component, is still capping gear in public matches. In FW or PC, fine, the gloves should come off, and corps should be free to use whatever FOTM tactics they want to win, but pub matches, where players spend most of their time? It's discouraging and drives people away. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:39:00 - [8] - Quote SILENT GIANT wrote: Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire. Problem for me is i lose more isk trying to get the lp in the first place that i cant sustain my self off it because im low on isk or suits. *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:53:00 - [9] - Quote Learn to offset your costs by putting more value into your skill than in your fits. I can make between 200k to 300k while only spending at the most 50k for the entire match. If you want money, you're going to have to budget your isk and resources more effectively.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3666	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:54:00 - [10] - Quote I've been saying that for a long time.. The response I get is you farmed Isk in PC.. Um no I fought in pc and never excepted a single paycheck just reimbursements. But I will say it again I agree isk payouts need increased. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4368	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:55:00 - [11] - Quote I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1. I honestly don't get where you are coming from. I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective. PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto. Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto. Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive. I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. You can always tell a Millford Minja
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 252	Posted - 2014.09.24 02:57:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1. I honestly don't get where you are coming from. I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective. PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto. Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto. Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive. I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits. *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4369	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:01:00 - [13] - Quote X7 lion wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1. I honestly don't get where you are coming from. I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective. PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto. Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto. Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive. I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits. That is a matter of perspective. I have lots of fun in my lower tier suits. If you define fun as pub stomping, then I am glad that you are not able to make all that money and stomp noobs with no SP into oblivion. This game has a hard enough time retaining new players, we shouldn't encourage anything that would further erode their experience. You can always tell a Millford Minja
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 252	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:04:00 - [14] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: X7 lion wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1. I honestly don't get where you are coming from. I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective. PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto. Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto. Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive. I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits. That is a matter of perspective. I have lots of fun in my lower tier suits. If you define fun as pub stomping, then I am glad that you are not able to make all that money and stomp noobs with no SP into oblivion. This game has a hard enough time retaining new players, we shouldn't encourage anything that would further erode their experience. lets not start a fight here, doing so would defeat the point in bringing this up, in an ideal game world it would be efficant for every one to play in there best gear so every one can have fun & for the record i one shot any thing that isnt max heavy, The knives do not discriminate. *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-
The Master Race Immortal Guides 33	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:08:00 - [15] - Quote Weapon alone is 70k isk /tear its cheaper to fly dropships lol New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 671	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:24:00 - [16] - Quote Once upon a time I thought having ISK was going to mean something. I grinded alot of matches in cheap gear and have been in PC from the start to have money. Now that there's no point in saving it, don't you try telling me how to live my life. Proto suits and ADS all day in pubs.
SILENT GIANT FATHERS-AND-SONS 93	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:28:00 - [17] - Quote X7 lion wrote: SILENT GIANT wrote: Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire. Problem for me is i lose more isk trying to get the lp in the first place that i cant sustain my self off it because im low on isk or suits. Well 90% of the time its the swarming of 3k militia stuff. Unless your dying more than 50-60 times a match your gonna go positive. If using 30-40k fits you can still get 6-8 deaths before going negative. Although sometimes rage/revenge juices start flowing and I forget to switch out, but thats my fault
Michael Arck 5740	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:28:00 - [18] - Quote I wouldn't mind a slight increase. Hell I've been working here for two years without a raise. LOL! And I don't even have health benefits! Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 2273	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:33:00 - [19] - Quote X7 lion wrote: One Eyed King wrote: X7 lion wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1. I honestly don't get where you are coming from. I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective. PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto. Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto. Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive. I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits. That is a matter of perspective. I have lots of fun in my lower tier suits. If you define fun as pub stomping, then I am glad that you are not able to make all that money and stomp noobs with no SP into oblivion. This game has a hard enough time retaining new players, we shouldn't encourage anything that would further erode their experience. lets not start a fight here, doing so would defeat the point in bringing this up, in an ideal game world it would be efficant for every one to play in there best gear so every one can have fun & for the record i one shot any thing that isnt max heavy, The knives do not discriminate. I completely disagree. In an ideal world the economy wouldn't have been ruined by the old PC passive ISK faucet. You'd have to run cheap fits to afford the luxury of PRO occasionally when the situation calls for it. I've got over 80 mill ISK in the bank and I usually run my BPO STD suit with an ADV weapon. I rarely pull out the PRO stuff unless I'm pissed off at someone (which is dumb because I usually lose it in those situations). If everyone could run PRO all the time there'd be no point in having it. If anything, make PRO more expensive so pub stomping is less affordable. Best PvE idea ever!
Michael Arck 5741	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:37:00 - [20] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: If everyone could run PRO all the time there'd be no point in having it. If anything, make PRO more expensive so pub stomping is less affordable. I don't think increasing prototype cost would reduce pub stomping. Especially since there are people rolling in dinero heavy Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9537	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:46:00 - [21] - Quote X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2225094#post2225094 CCP Z wrote: Hello, And sorry for not giving any answer for quite a while, but as you can see in my other thread, Market has been my focus for the past couple of months (and a lot of secret other stuff of course!). Basically, a lot of good points were made during this discussion and I had some long chats regarding the Progression System. I looked at all the different proposal, our vision for what the Progression for Legion should be evolved a lot since Fanfest. So a lot of changes will be made from the presentation I made. Even though we want to change the way Progression was in DUST, we still want to keep some important mechanics you guys love. So for now, I will close this Thread and get back to you as soon as we have the Progression 2.0 Design. Thanks a lot for all your Feedback, it helps us a lot making the right choice for our game. Z Don't be so sure. PS: It's always ok to run around with starter fits even if they are not necessarily reflecting your play style. I'm a nova knifer as well but sometimes switch over to my starter or 'Skinweave' fits fitted with a BPO assault rifle so I can grind some ISK in Ambush. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
John ShepardIII Murphys-Law 534	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:50:00 - [22] - Quote X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. Here's how you make isk... Don't die, run adv , or do lots of PC. (And win) The True Shepard.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9537	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:51:00 - [23] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. Here's how you make isk... Don't die, run adv , or do lots of PC. (And win) Or run a bunch of Ambushes in starter suits. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 131	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:51:00 - [24] - Quote No one is making you run proto fits all the time I don't even think CCP meant for everyone to run proto fits 24/7. Honestly I think people should start a match in standard or advanced and escalate according to the conditions
John ShepardIII Murphys-Law 534	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:52:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: John ShepardIII wrote: X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. Here's how you make isk... Don't die, run adv , or do lots of PC. (And win) Or run a bunch of Ambushes in starter suits. I hate amb though The True Shepard.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9537	Posted - 2014.09.24 03:54:00 - [26] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: John ShepardIII wrote: X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. Here's how you make isk... Don't die, run adv , or do lots of PC. (And win) Or run a bunch of Ambushes in starter suits. I hate amb though I hate domination. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
SLENDER M4N Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 44	Posted - 2014.09.24 04:10:00 - [27] - Quote I used to have isk issues back in teh day. I would run a Militia medic with a rep tool and thats how i accumulated some isk. What really gave me an isk boost was when immnuto from WTF gave me 15 mil because i ran into him in the academy. And yes he was stomping the noobs on my team and i tried to stomp his team, but couldn't because he was everywhere i went. We had a chat and he's like "well here's some isk buddy." I've learned to not rage at this game anymore because it just doesn't matter anymore.
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 855	Posted - 2014.09.24 04:17:00 - [28] - Quote X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. ______________________ after reading some of the reposes to this i have to ask how any one is in support of grinding for isk over having the suit you have the most fun with ready to go. Drop 50$ in aurum and wait for weapon/suit sale. I did and am incredibly happy with it. so much proto its crazy. 800 suits, 700 weapons. So much harm : ) You are better at being poisenous than I am at being good. Congradulations. Im still the better man.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1489	Posted - 2014.09.24 06:38:00 - [29] - Quote X7 lion wrote: ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do. (Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush) isk pay outs need to be increased across the board. (but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust. also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate. these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot. ______________________ after reading some of the reply's to this i have to ask how any one is in support of grinding for isk over having the suit you have the most fun with ready to go. The answer to all your problems is to simply get GOOD. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 561	Posted - 2014.09.24 06:39:00 - [30] - Quote LP store. Also don't use proto too much. Never had negative ISK efficiency because I use standard and advanced most of the time. The slow blade penetrates the shield.

Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1637	Posted - 2014.09.24 06:47:00 - [31] - Quote SILENT GIANT wrote: Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire. You'd quiver at my 200k ISK suit losses Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 56	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:22:00 - [32] - Quote The nice thing about ambush is that everyone gets paid. Even the dude who went 0/8 with 25 WP for the hero kill assist. You do that in a Dom and you all you get is a free proto dog coupon for the food cart in the MCC. Moral of story, play however you want, but when you need ISK, grind 'bush. You know what I mean, fella! Calm down!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1312	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:41:00 - [33] - Quote It still surprises me that so many players are so poor. I've been isk positive since day 1. I only loose money when running with corp mates and we decide to hell with it and have a laugh. Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 56	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:58:00 - [34] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp I think you mean 8 turrets... and I remember the glory days of the Arty Maelstrom very fondly. In large fleet fights where lag and eventually TiDi would rule the day the alpha of these monsters was an awesome sight. Eventually a rock came along and jacked up our scissors though. Oh well.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15	Posted - 2014.09.24 08:33:00 - [35] - Quote Well, a lot more matches are very messy now; with this new team balancing. Sometimes I'm forced to use proto on proto to get the win nowadays, so maybe a slight payout increase is justified.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1312	Posted - 2014.09.24 08:38:00 - [36] - Quote Orphan Shadow wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp I think you mean 8 turrets... and I remember the glory days of the Arty Maelstrom very fondly. In large fleet fights where lag and eventually TiDi would rule the day the alpha of these monsters was an awesome sight. Eventually a rock came along and jacked up our scissors though. Oh well. And thus you proove just how little I take games seriously :) All I remember is screaming MOWR ARTILLERY!! before getting annihilated. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 327	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:12:00 - [37] - Quote Omega Black Zero wrote: Learn to offset your costs by putting more value into your skill than in your fits. I can make between 200k to 300k while only spending at the most 50k for the entire match. If you want money, you're going to have to budget your isk and resources more effectively. i'm calling bs right now, most matches i go 20/3 in an advanced suit and still go negative on isk. The only way your statement holds any truth is if your red line sniping or afking your ass off "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 245	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:14:00 - [38] - Quote Logi M/1-Series 3 enhanced shield extenders 2 enhanced plates 1 complex rep (enhanced maybe) Standard CR Flux BDR triage rep / proto needle / X3 nano Scout M/1-Series 2 enhanced shield extenders 1 precision mod or a third extender 1 complex damp 1 enhanced shield or cardio regulator (basic maybe) Standard CR advance NK Flux compact cloak Cheap fits that work for me. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 327	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:17:00 - [39] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Well, a lot more matches are very messy now; with this new team balancing. Sometimes I'm forced to use proto on proto to get the win nowadays, so maybe a slight payout increase is justified. agree, i don't half ass my matches if that mofo killed me with proto i respawn proto, if he kills me again i call out incubus, if i get shot down i rage quit, thus why i'm always asking platoon for isk lol "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 878	Posted - 2014.09.24 11:03:00 - [40] - Quote Minimum ISK payout needs increasing, don't make the rich richer! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial

Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.09.24 11:21:00 - [41] - Quote I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 255	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:15:00 - [42] - Quote A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
NAV HIV The Generals 2142	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:03:00 - [43] - Quote Somehow i make more ISK by running Everything Proto... :)
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 420	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:24:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: And I don't even have health benefits! you don't need them, just hold this grenade for 10 seconds ;)
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 848	Posted - 2014.09.24 18:25:00 - [45] - Quote Dust User wrote: Once upon a time I thought having ISK was going to mean something. I grinded alot of matches in cheap gear and have been in PC from the start to have money. Now that there's no point in saving it, don't you try telling me how to live my life. Proto suits and ADS all day in pubs. But how is that fun? You're basically shooting fish in a barrel, and there's no sense of accomplishment, because you didn't win your opponents on equal footing. I'm asking seriously, not trying to harrass you. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4691	Posted - 2014.09.24 18:33:00 - [46] - Quote 90% of matches you can't profit losing more than 5 advanced suits. That doesn't generate fun matches. That's the bottom line. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4374	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:27:00 - [47] - Quote X7 lion wrote: A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. The reason being is Proto stomping. To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match. What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches. New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete. You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit. It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7. This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages. tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you. You can always tell a Millford Minja
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:28:00 - [48] - Quote Personally, I think CCP has been very clear about suit use and isk. We are all, at our fundamental core, Mercenaries. For-Profit Combatants. A major element of the game, though its one rarely considered until bankruptcy, is the notion that as a Merc you are essentially a small business owner who needs to balance his overhead versus his profits. If you are not Profitable, you ARE doing it WRONG. Some balance their losses with farming, some with PC, some by pubstomping. There are no specific rules against running full-proto in pubs, however, the impact is mitigated by the cost. If you are running full-proto in pubs and going broke this is working as intended. My best suggestion would be that you cease running full-proto, since you're obviously not profitable. Keep field training, but do it in ADV or STARTER fits and save your more costly protofits for PC/FW battles where the rewards could more equally compensate your losses. 2nd tip- quit putting SP into protogear all together and get all Core Skills to level 5. Not just the DS skill tree "Core Skills" but every skill on the tree that grants a passive bonus. These are the skills and bonuses that will beef your STARTER/ADV suits into Proto competitive levels with all those little 3% here/level, 5%there/level compounding stats. Bonuses all the time, on all fits, without using a slot for a module. When your Cores are maxed, you'll find an ADV fit is more than enough 90% of the time in pubs. Remember: Your isk payout is based on WP, but the suit you use vs. the suit you oppose factors also. ie you get paid MORE for being effective while using LESS. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 255	Posted - 2014.09.24 23:59:00 - [49] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: X7 lion wrote: A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. The reason being is Proto stomping. To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match. What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches. New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete. You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit. It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7. This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages. tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you. more isk for every one will allow people to run more creative fits and develop less restricted play styles & not be afraid to try something because its to expensive. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.


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