DUST Search - The isk issue

One Eyed King wrote:

X7 lion wrote:

A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it.

Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:

I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit.

so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio.

The reason being is Proto stomping.

To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match.

What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches.

New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete.

You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit.

It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7.

This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages.

tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you.

Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.

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Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1637	Posted - 2014.09.24 06:47:00 - [31] - Quote SILENT GIANT wrote: Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire. You'd quiver at my 200k ISK suit losses Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 56	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:22:00 - [32] - Quote The nice thing about ambush is that everyone gets paid. Even the dude who went 0/8 with 25 WP for the hero kill assist. You do that in a Dom and you all you get is a free proto dog coupon for the food cart in the MCC. Moral of story, play however you want, but when you need ISK, grind 'bush. You know what I mean, fella! Calm down!
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1312	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:41:00 - [33] - Quote It still surprises me that so many players are so poor. I've been isk positive since day 1. I only loose money when running with corp mates and we decide to hell with it and have a laugh. Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 56	Posted - 2014.09.24 07:58:00 - [34] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp I think you mean 8 turrets... and I remember the glory days of the Arty Maelstrom very fondly. In large fleet fights where lag and eventually TiDi would rule the day the alpha of these monsters was an awesome sight. Eventually a rock came along and jacked up our scissors though. Oh well.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15	Posted - 2014.09.24 08:33:00 - [35] - Quote Well, a lot more matches are very messy now; with this new team balancing. Sometimes I'm forced to use proto on proto to get the win nowadays, so maybe a slight payout increase is justified.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1312	Posted - 2014.09.24 08:38:00 - [36] - Quote Orphan Shadow wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Strangely enough my Dust characters have more isk than my Eve counterparts. But thats because I love the shiny bling ships and purposely terrible loadouts like 10 artillery turrets in pvp I think you mean 8 turrets... and I remember the glory days of the Arty Maelstrom very fondly. In large fleet fights where lag and eventually TiDi would rule the day the alpha of these monsters was an awesome sight. Eventually a rock came along and jacked up our scissors though. Oh well. And thus you proove just how little I take games seriously :) All I remember is screaming MOWR ARTILLERY!! before getting annihilated. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 327	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:12:00 - [37] - Quote Omega Black Zero wrote: Learn to offset your costs by putting more value into your skill than in your fits. I can make between 200k to 300k while only spending at the most 50k for the entire match. If you want money, you're going to have to budget your isk and resources more effectively. i'm calling bs right now, most matches i go 20/3 in an advanced suit and still go negative on isk. The only way your statement holds any truth is if your red line sniping or afking your ass off "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 245	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:14:00 - [38] - Quote Logi M/1-Series 3 enhanced shield extenders 2 enhanced plates 1 complex rep (enhanced maybe) Standard CR Flux BDR triage rep / proto needle / X3 nano Scout M/1-Series 2 enhanced shield extenders 1 precision mod or a third extender 1 complex damp 1 enhanced shield or cardio regulator (basic maybe) Standard CR advance NK Flux compact cloak Cheap fits that work for me. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
iKILLu osborne Z PLATOON CALDARI STATE PEACEMAKERS 327	Posted - 2014.09.24 09:17:00 - [39] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Well, a lot more matches are very messy now; with this new team balancing. Sometimes I'm forced to use proto on proto to get the win nowadays, so maybe a slight payout increase is justified. agree, i don't half ass my matches if that mofo killed me with proto i respawn proto, if he kills me again i call out incubus, if i get shot down i rage quit, thus why i'm always asking platoon for isk lol "yeah i fought the redline it took it only 13 seconds....." fought scotty too but something went wrong
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 878	Posted - 2014.09.24 11:03:00 - [40] - Quote Minimum ISK payout needs increasing, don't make the rich richer! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial

Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.09.24 11:21:00 - [41] - Quote I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 255	Posted - 2014.09.24 15:15:00 - [42] - Quote A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
NAV HIV The Generals 2142	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:03:00 - [43] - Quote Somehow i make more ISK by running Everything Proto... :)
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 420	Posted - 2014.09.24 17:24:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: And I don't even have health benefits! you don't need them, just hold this grenade for 10 seconds ;)
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 848	Posted - 2014.09.24 18:25:00 - [45] - Quote Dust User wrote: Once upon a time I thought having ISK was going to mean something. I grinded alot of matches in cheap gear and have been in PC from the start to have money. Now that there's no point in saving it, don't you try telling me how to live my life. Proto suits and ADS all day in pubs. But how is that fun? You're basically shooting fish in a barrel, and there's no sense of accomplishment, because you didn't win your opponents on equal footing. I'm asking seriously, not trying to harrass you. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4691	Posted - 2014.09.24 18:33:00 - [46] - Quote 90% of matches you can't profit losing more than 5 advanced suits. That doesn't generate fun matches. That's the bottom line. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4374	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:27:00 - [47] - Quote X7 lion wrote: A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. The reason being is Proto stomping. To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match. What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches. New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete. You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit. It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7. This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages. tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you. You can always tell a Millford Minja
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:28:00 - [48] - Quote Personally, I think CCP has been very clear about suit use and isk. We are all, at our fundamental core, Mercenaries. For-Profit Combatants. A major element of the game, though its one rarely considered until bankruptcy, is the notion that as a Merc you are essentially a small business owner who needs to balance his overhead versus his profits. If you are not Profitable, you ARE doing it WRONG. Some balance their losses with farming, some with PC, some by pubstomping. There are no specific rules against running full-proto in pubs, however, the impact is mitigated by the cost. If you are running full-proto in pubs and going broke this is working as intended. My best suggestion would be that you cease running full-proto, since you're obviously not profitable. Keep field training, but do it in ADV or STARTER fits and save your more costly protofits for PC/FW battles where the rewards could more equally compensate your losses. 2nd tip- quit putting SP into protogear all together and get all Core Skills to level 5. Not just the DS skill tree "Core Skills" but every skill on the tree that grants a passive bonus. These are the skills and bonuses that will beef your STARTER/ADV suits into Proto competitive levels with all those little 3% here/level, 5%there/level compounding stats. Bonuses all the time, on all fits, without using a slot for a module. When your Cores are maxed, you'll find an ADV fit is more than enough 90% of the time in pubs. Remember: Your isk payout is based on WP, but the suit you use vs. the suit you oppose factors also. ie you get paid MORE for being effective while using LESS. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 255	Posted - 2014.09.24 23:59:00 - [49] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: X7 lion wrote: A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. The reason being is Proto stomping. To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match. What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches. New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete. You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit. It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7. This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages. tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you. more isk for every one will allow people to run more creative fits and develop less restricted play styles & not be afraid to try something because its to expensive. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.


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