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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:15:00 -
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ok so unless you farm in cheep suits, are apart of the 1% or simply dont die running well made fits isnt really possible with out some one with alot of isk backing you up, in my proto scout suit with my speed tanking nova knife set up my actions can litterly make or break the win & 9/10 that isnt a isk positive thing to do.
(Before some one has a go at me saying but your not ment to run the best suits ect the devs have said they want us to, its why all suits in legion are going to be blueprint so shush)
isk pay outs need to be increased across the board.
(but lion they cant do that they havnt made there mind up about if isk will be transfused to legion) <- this is pointless since we dont have legion yet, but we do have dust.
also the price of proto suits needs to be lowered, it dose not scale with the other suits & creates an artificial ecosystem of elitists & breeds spite and unnecessary hate.
these are simple things that would improve the dust experience alot.
I am death,
you cannot see me,
you cannot out run me,
you cannot find me,
but im always right behind you. -stab-
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
251
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:39:00 -
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SILENT GIANT wrote:Uhhhh. I know what you mean sorta. I get around it by using LP store. My average fit is 30-40k isk adv fits unless im out doing stupid stuff w 3k fits. When using those, even when I put the obj before the suit, I tend to still break even as long as I have a few decent team mates. When like yesterday, I had 14 sniping blueberrries and 1 sitting in his jeep on a rooftop enjoying the sunset. I gave up wasting 40k fits and screwed off myself. Nothing I can really control. Since shopping at the lp store I find most my proto fits costing the same range as adv, plus lp. Good thing about FW is most everyone tries. I know there are the team killers but 9 out of 10 games are fun and down to the wire.
Problem for me is i lose more isk trying to get the lp in the first place that i cant sustain my self off it because im low on isk or suits.
I am death,
you cannot see me,
you cannot out run me,
you cannot find me,
but im always right behind you. -stab-
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
252
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1.
I honestly don't get where you are coming from.
I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective.
PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto.
Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto.
Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive.
I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits.
I am death,
you cannot see me,
you cannot out run me,
you cannot find me,
but im always right behind you. -stab-
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
252
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:04:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:X7 lion wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I run M-1 and M/1 scouts all the time, and end up in the top 3 a lot, too frequently at 1.
I honestly don't get where you are coming from.
I have proto suits, but don't feel the need to run it precisely because I would lose money every battle. Nor do they need to be run to be effective.
PC? Absolutely. And you can make enough to justify proto.
Pubs? Forget that. Too many newbros have a hard enough time for CCP to enable the vets to run proto.
Bite the bullet and run a bunch of Ambushes in Starter fits, use that ISK to get your FW LP, and make some effective cheaper fits for your pubs skirmishes if you want to run positive.
I just don't get the mentality that mercs should feel entitled to run proto gear in the pubs all the time. thing is i run a speed tanker gallente proto with nk's i do really well but my suit is 104k and the differnce between running speed tanker in proto and speed in advanced is astronomical, doing really well isnt enough to stay isk positive & its not fun to play in lower suits. That is a matter of perspective. I have lots of fun in my lower tier suits. If you define fun as pub stomping, then I am glad that you are not able to make all that money and stomp noobs with no SP into oblivion. This game has a hard enough time retaining new players, we shouldn't encourage anything that would further erode their experience.
lets not start a fight here, doing so would defeat the point in bringing this up, in an ideal game world it would be efficant for every one to play in there best gear so every one can have fun & for the record i one shot any thing that isnt max heavy, The knives do not discriminate.
I am death,
you cannot see me,
you cannot out run me,
you cannot find me,
but im always right behind you. -stab-
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:15:00 -
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A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit.
so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
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X7 lion
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2014.09.24 23:59:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:X7 lion wrote:A pay out increase for every one will just make the game experience better for every one, i really dont get why some people seem to be against it. Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:I think those that carry the team deserve the most profit, not those half-assing to make the profit. so many times iv won a game from a team of meh level players & i get the worst isk pay out ratio. The reason being is Proto stomping. To a degree I will agree with payouts for losing teams, especially those that stuck around the whole match. What I don't agree with is the desire for more isk solely because people want to run more proto suits in pub matches. New players can only really get into pub matches, maybe FW after a bit. They have to run starter suits, and are hindered by lack of passive skills even on those compete. You are only looking at this from your perspective, because you would benefit. It would not be fun for new players, who will now have lower starting isk because of alt farmers, to be forced to compete against veterans who not only have SP advantages, but will then make enough isk to proto stomp 24/7. This is not a good idea.This does not help retain new players who already have too many disadvantages.tl;dr Learn some empathy. This will not make the game more fun for everyone, just because it will make the game more fun for you.
more isk for every one will allow people to run more creative fits and develop less restricted play styles & not be afraid to try something because its to expensive.
Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
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