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Meee One wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Meee One wrote:

OHK ruins games,look at destiny.
-5 for lack of consideration for logistics.

Actually I AM considering logistics. I'm considering the Logi + sentinel chain of death.

I also don't believe for a split instant that Rattati's going to leave Logis in the crap state they're in now.

This was about assaults, and the lack of nades which were nerfed to crap because of people WHINING.

At no point do I think there should be a damage buff to nades.

You can farm more WP in a logi with equipment spam than any other suit in the game can earn.

Get lost and quit yer bit**ing.

LOL,he said 240 TOTAL eHP was fine for the minmatar logistics.
During the initial proposal for charlie,he actually had logistics slated to be nerfed again.
I have no doubt he will.

You are a god damned idiot.
True logis don't spam equipment,true logis only switch suits to refill their deployables.

Bullshit about farming the most WP in a logistics,you can farm 2x as much damaging impossible to kill vehicles.
Vehicle damage isn't capped,equipment is.

You are a stereotypical logistics hater.
You never run logistics,but you believe they are OP in some way.

You only ever encounter bad logistics and desire to lump them all together.
Gtfo with your "waah but i needs mai grenades" excuses,they are lies.
Grenades are OP being refillable at hives.

Remove the refillable,and i'll side with you.
But i refuse to sit here and let you try to con people into believing grenade spam is a good thing.

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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2957	Posted - 2014.09.22 11:55:00 - [1] - Quote With the most recent series of balance passes every single suit in the game has had it's tankability increased, and the grenade generation capacity on nanohives reduced. I believe it is time to bring grenade carrying capacity back up to the pre-nerf levels. For assault suits. Please add +1 to assault grenade counts to go with the grenade fitting reduction. They need them to have additional sentinel hardpoint and logi chain breaking capacity. Further, please bring back the 2s fuse. Sentinels have a 25% splash resistance and escaping nade blasts is easy even in a fatsuit if you pay attention. Assaults currently have additional tanking capacity so it should be unlikely that even a core locus or thukker impact grenade will kill a properly fitted assault on contact. STD and militia fits will probably get railed tho.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1245	Posted - 2014.09.22 16:24:00 - [2] - Quote YES!!!! The Thukker is a wasted item in my inventory... I mean... c'mon CCP... Have u ever hit someone directly in the face with a contact Locus ..?? It's Awesome :) And there is no way I am equiping a Contact that nade that is equal cost of Core Locus with 1/3 of the DMG It makes no sense!!! - either reduce Contact nade to ADV locus fitting cost OR - give us back 2 Contact nades. And to be fair, the assaults could use that extra nade though it puts is back in OHK all the n00bs :/ Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welcome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1185	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:12:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: With the most recent series of balance passes every single suit in the game has had it's tankability increased, and the grenade generation capacity on nanohives reduced. I believe it is time to bring grenade carrying capacity back up to the pre-nerf levels. For assault suits. Please add +1 to assault grenade counts to go with the grenade fitting reduction. They need them to have additional sentinel hardpoint and logi chain breaking capacity. Further, please bring back the 2s fuse. Sentinels have a 25% splash resistance and escaping nade blasts is easy even in a fatsuit if you pay attention. Assaults currently have additional tanking capacity so it should be unlikely that even a core locus or thukker impact grenade will kill a properly fitted assault on contact. STD,logistics and militia fits will probably get railed tho. That's a straight up lie. Logistics has received 0 buffs to survivability. All they've ever received were nerfs. More requests asking to OHK the most expensive suit to play as in this game,the logistics. Yes,it's ok for the cheaper more durable assault to survive a Core locus,but screw that logistics whose suit cost 2x as much as yours to run,with less than half your eHP and speed. OHK ruins games,look at destiny. -5 for lack of consideration for logistics. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2980	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:17:00 - [4] - Quote Meee One wrote: OHK ruins games,look at destiny. -5 for lack of consideration for logistics. Actually I AM considering logistics. I'm considering the Logi + sentinel chain of death. I also don't believe for a split instant that Rattati's going to leave Logis in the crap state they're in now.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1185	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Meee One wrote: OHK ruins games,look at destiny. -5 for lack of consideration for logistics. Actually I AM considering logistics. I'm considering the Logi + sentinel chain of death. I also don't believe for a split instant that Rattati's going to leave Logis in the crap state they're in now. This was about assaults, and the lack of nades which were nerfed to crap because of people WHINING. At no point do I think there should be a damage buff to nades. You can farm more WP in a logi with equipment spam than any other suit in the game can earn. Get lost and quit yer biting. LOL,he said 240 TOTAL eHP was fine for the minmatar logistics. During the initial proposal for charlie,he actually had logistics slated to be nerfed again**. I have no doubt he will. You are a god damned idiot. True logis don't spam equipment,true logis only switch suits to refill their deployables. Bullshit about farming the most WP in a logistics,you can farm 2x as much damaging impossible to kill vehicles. Vehicle damage isn't capped,equipment is. You are a stereotypical logistics hater. You never run logistics,but you believe they are OP in some way. You only ever encounter bad logistics and desire to lump them all together. Gtfo with your "waah but i needs mai grenades" excuses,they are lies. Grenades are OP being refillable at hives. Remove the refillable,and i'll side with you. But i refuse to sit here and let you try to con people into believing grenade spam is a good thing. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1312	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:06:00 - [6] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: With the most recent series of balance passes every single suit in the game has had it's tankability increased, and the grenade generation capacity on nanohives reduced. I believe it is time to bring grenade carrying capacity back up to the pre-nerf levels. For assault suits. Please add +1 to assault grenade counts to go with the grenade fitting reduction. They need them to have additional sentinel hardpoint and logi chain breaking capacity. Further, please bring back the 2s fuse. Sentinels have a 25% splash resistance and escaping nade blasts is easy even in a fatsuit if you pay attention. Assaults currently have additional tanking capacity so it should be unlikely that even a core locus or thukker impact grenade will kill a properly fitted assault on contact. STD and militia fits will probably get railed tho. NEVER for the 2 second fuse! It was one of the most horrid times of Dust. In one of the most uniform flood of requests the fuse time was increased back on next update. There was hardly any people defending the instagib-fest. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2982	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:08:00 - [7] - Quote Meee One wrote: LOL,he said 240 TOTAL eHP was fine for the minmatar logistics. During the initial proposal for charlie,he actually had logistics slated to be nerfed again. I have no doubt he will. Before fitting tank modules. Yawn Note that there is no nerf. Would you like to buy another tinfoil hat? Quote: You are a god damned idiot. True logis don't spam equipment,true logis only switch suits to refill their deployables. This does not invalidate the statement, because "purist" logis are in the absolute minority. The majority spam the hell out of everything with their deployables. And an idiot? tsk tsk tsk. Silly Meee one, thinking your opinion of me matters one bit except as a fine point of amusement to be shared with the other goons. Your tears are delicious by the way. Quote: Bullshit about farming the most WP in a logistics,you can farm 2x as much damaging impossible to kill vehicles. Vehicle damage isn't capped,equipment is. And yet even though I absolutely ripball the ever-loving crap out of the vehicles, I am usually passed by that one logi... Hmmm. Evidence does not bear out your claims. Quote: You are a stereotypical logistics hater. You never run logistics,but you believe they are OP in some way. Actually, no. I'm not a logi hater. Unless they're red dots. In which case they're priority targets. Kill the healer first. And I started DUST in beta as a logi. I find the role to be hilariously amusing. I also run Logi as my primary fleet fit in EVE. I just don't do it now because I like watching vehicles burn. Did i mention I'm not skilled into assaults either? I'm a sentinel, which means I'm usually the guy being REPPED by the good logis. You're not counted among them. Quote: You only ever encounter bad logistics and desire to lump them all together. Gtfo with your "waah but i needs mai grenades" excuses,they are lies. Grenades are OP being refillable at hives. Remove the refillable,and i'll side with you. But i refuse to sit here and let you try to con people into believing grenade spam is a good thing. I actually wouldn't benefit at all from this proposed change. I have all four sentinels at 5, all four commandos at 3, and not a point anywhere else. Since the change wouldn't affect my sentinel... and my Commando doesn't have grenades to begin with... How is this "waah but i needs mai grenades?" I have a goddamn HMG to plug people with, and it's MUCH better at slashing Logis up like the first hot chick you see in a horror movie.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1312	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:08:00 - [8] - Quote More nades for contact variations, yes but no to others. Contacts are gimped enough damage-wise. They might've been useful in countering the scout swarm of last spring-summer, but having only one was too big of a disincentive for most. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2982	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:09:00 - [9] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: NEVER for the 2 second fuse! It was one of the most horrid times of Dust. In one of the most uniform flood of requests the fuse time was increased back on next update. There was hardly any people defending the instagib-fest. Assault and Logi didn't have 8 fitting slots back then either, and nade damage was nerfed since those days. Right now nades are all but worthless except as a distraction.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5128	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:20:00 - [10] - Quote Meee One wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: With the most recent series of balance passes every single suit in the game has had it's tankability increased, and the grenade generation capacity on nanohives reduced. I believe it is time to bring grenade carrying capacity back up to the pre-nerf levels. For assault suits. Please add +1 to assault grenade counts to go with the grenade fitting reduction. They need them to have additional sentinel hardpoint and logi chain breaking capacity. Further, please bring back the 2s fuse. Sentinels have a 25% splash resistance and escaping nade blasts is easy even in a fatsuit if you pay attention. Assaults currently have additional tanking capacity so it should be unlikely that even a core locus or thukker impact grenade will kill a properly fitted assault on contact. STD,logistics and militia fits will probably get railed tho. That's a straight up lie. Logistics has received 0 buffs to survivability. All they've ever received were nerfs. More requests asking to OHK the most expensive suit to play as in this game,the logistics. Yes,it's ok for the cheaper more durable assault to survive a Core locus,but screw that logistics whose suit cost 2x as much as yours to run,with less than half your eHP and speed. OHK ruins games,look at destiny. -5 for lack of consideration for logistics. Did you miss the first half of Uprising? I am 100% certain that Logis didn't have 1000+ HP in Chromosome. You do your kind disservice by always being wrong. Try harder. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1312	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:21:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: NEVER for the 2 second fuse! It was one of the most horrid times of Dust. In one of the most uniform flood of requests the fuse time was increased back on next update. There was hardly any people defending the instagib-fest. Assault and Logi didn't have 8 fitting slots back then either, and nade damage was nerfed since those days. Right now nades are all but worthless except as a distraction. I disagree. While lesser variants were indeed damage nerfed, the Core Locus is still a brutal killer with considerable range. The most powerful nade sets the benchmarking level. Not long ago 'stop nade spam' threads were abundant. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2985	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:27:00 - [12] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: NEVER for the 2 second fuse! It was one of the most horrid times of Dust. In one of the most uniform flood of requests the fuse time was increased back on next update. There was hardly any people defending the instagib-fest. Assault and Logi didn't have 8 fitting slots back then either, and nade damage was nerfed since those days. Right now nades are all but worthless except as a distraction. I disagree. While lesser variants were indeed damage nerfed, the Core Locus is still a brutal killer with considerable range. The most powerful nade sets the benchmarking level. Not long ago 'stop nade spam' threads were abundant. And now I never get hit by them even running a slow, overtanked amarr fatsuit. I get caught in a nade blast maybe once a week.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1185	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:38:00 - [13] - Quote It's amazing your lack of foresite is. In the future there will be modules introduced to boost equipment efficiency. Logistics must use all of its slots to compensate its horrendously low eHP. When those modules are introduced,they won't be worth running because i'll die easier. You mock logistics 'fitting potential'. If logistics tries to speed tank,which is stupid,scouts and assaults can still chase them down. If logistics tries to shield tank,same as above but add in heavies. If logistics tries to armor tank, same as above. No other suit has such insane drawbacks. Literally every suit in Dust can perfectly counter their weakness,except logistics. Logistics is slow with low eHP and bad regen,it can't try to compensate for one without making the other two worse. Scouts can tank eHP with no loss of speed. Heavies can use kincats + a burst HMG with no loss of tank Assaults can do whatever with no loss of anything. Logistics is screwed.If they tank,they're too slow to keep up with the group,if they speed tank their regen can't compensate their low eHP,oh and they cost more... How much more? ADV equipment equals an ADV light weapon alone. Not a sidearm,a full light weapon. What if assaults had to pay ADV light weapon costs for a sidearm?They,just like most logistics would go broke. Pro equipment is even worse,it's MORE expensive than a Pro light weapon. But yes,now knowing these facts keep advocating for OHKs on logistics with grenade spam. Also,idc about a neckbeard group in a game so you can tell the "goons" to go screw themselves. You don't want to mess with someone from the Deep Web bro,just saying your writing a check your ass can't cash. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2991	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote Meee One wrote: You don't want to mess with someone from the Deep Web bro,just saying your writing a check your ass can't cash. Just to clarify. Did you just threaten me?
TheEnd762 Sver true blood Public.Disorder. 638	Posted - 2014.09.22 20:55:00 - [15] - Quote +1 to fuse reduction. Cooking doesn't work if you're dead before you can throw the nade.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2998	Posted - 2014.09.22 21:23:00 - [16] - Quote Back on topic. I didn't include logistics in my considerations because I firmly believe Logis should be using their squad as their primary HP buffer and incoming bullet stoppers. I don't believe the game should be balanced around lone wolf anything. But with the boosts all suits have received after chromosome (the dayof the terror nades, which I thought was awesome) the current grenades shouldn't be able to oneshot most suits any more if they fit proper tanks.
Michael Arck 5705	Posted - 2014.09.22 22:28:00 - [17] - Quote Oddly I was just thinking about this yesterday. Yes bring the count back up. The grenade spam argument was very self centered. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3105	Posted - 2014.09.22 22:36:00 - [18] - Quote Meh my suit is way to expensive to fit a core nade, my proto gal suit costs 180k :( supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 2450	Posted - 2014.09.23 00:04:00 - [19] - Quote Nyain San used to throw so many grenades it was like each one of them had underslung Mass Drivers on their Assault Rifles. They became so good at cooking them that we started to call them squads of chefs. If it is only a +1 grenade role bonus on Assault suits, though, it shouldn't be too bad. > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2383	Posted - 2014.09.23 03:08:00 - [20] - Quote Meee One wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Meee One wrote: OHK ruins games,look at destiny. -5 for lack of consideration for logistics. Actually I AM considering logistics. I'm considering the Logi + sentinel chain of death. I also don't believe for a split instant that Rattati's going to leave Logis in the crap state they're in now. This was about assaults, and the lack of nades which were nerfed to crap because of people WHINING. At no point do I think there should be a damage buff to nades. You can farm more WP in a logi with equipment spam than any other suit in the game can earn. Get lost and quit yer biting. LOL,he said 240 TOTAL eHP was fine for the minmatar logistics. During the initial proposal for charlie,he actually had logistics slated to be nerfed again**. I have no doubt he will. You are a god damned idiot. True logis don't spam equipment,true logis only switch suits to refill their deployables. Bullshit about farming the most WP in a logistics,you can farm 2x as much damaging impossible to kill vehicles. Vehicle damage isn't capped,equipment is. You are a stereotypical logistics hater. You never run logistics,but you believe they are OP in some way. You only ever encounter bad logistics and desire to lump them all together. Gtfo with your "waah but i needs mai grenades" excuses,they are lies. Grenades are OP being refillable at hives. Remove the refillable,and i'll side with you. But i refuse to sit here and let you try to con people into believing grenade spam is a good thing. You could be the most biased person on the forums of all time. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor

Ice Royal Glantix Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.09.23 06:27:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Back on topic. I didn't include logistics in my considerations because I firmly believe Logis should be using their squad as their primary HP buffer and incoming bullet stoppers. I don't believe the game should be balanced around lone wolf anything. But with the boosts all suits have received after chromosome (the dayof the terror nades, which I thought was awesome) the current grenades shouldn't be able to oneshot most suits any more if they fit proper tanks. I totally agree with everything you have said so far, with the exception of what you just stated about logi's using their squads as hp buffers. Any compotent opponent will target the logi first, as it is the easiest to kill and the most powerful if left alive. I can't count the number of times I have had someone ignore my squadmates (usually dieing in the process) just to kill me. But I am totally on board with increasing grenade count back to three. 1 year veteran. Over 200 times restarted. I have once had an advanced fitting.... Once.... CaLogi. Ex-everything else.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7799	Posted - 2014.09.23 06:46:00 - [22] - Quote why not all mediums? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6367	Posted - 2014.09.23 06:57:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: why not all mediums? Most that play the 'Assault' role don't exactly like to share with others, or to see another role be better than theres, the majority of scouts and sentinel classes running around today were hardly so numerous when the 'almighty assault' was king a year ago. we were few and weak as such easier to contain and balance, now.....not so much. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 70	Posted - 2014.09.23 07:30:00 - [24] - Quote As long as grenade hit detetections wont be fixed, changing anything in the grenades stats will be useless. 2/3 times I throw a Core Grenade right in the feets on some guys, and they dont lose A SINGLE HP! This got me turned off the Ps3 for the first time when it happened 6 times in a row in the same game. Please CCP, fix this BIG issue before changing anything to grenades. (I am an assault player btw^^) Sorry for my bad english ^^
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3036	Posted - 2014.09.23 07:51:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: why not all mediums? Solely for cautionary reasons. While I'm not advers to logis per se... They have the easiest time rocking spam hives. They can resupply on the run easier.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3037	Posted - 2014.09.23 07:52:00 - [26] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: why not all mediums? Most that play the 'Assault' role don't exactly like to share with others, or to see another role be better than theres, the majority of scouts and sentinel classes running around today were hardly so numerous when the 'almighty assault' was king a year ago. we were few and weak as such easier to contain and balance, now.....not so much. The almighty assault hasn't been king since chromosome. And I'm a sentinel. I wouldn't benefit from this change.
CommanderBolt TerranProtossZerg 1719	Posted - 2014.09.23 08:57:00 - [27] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: why not all mediums? Solely for cautionary reasons. While I'm not advers to logis per se... They have the easiest time rocking spam hives. They can resupply on the run easier. But have you seen the Minmatar? They have so many pockets. Gotta be a few rusty 'nades in there somewhere? -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 6369	Posted - 2014.09.23 09:24:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: why not all mediums? Most that play the 'Assault' role don't exactly like to share with others, or to see another role be better than theres, the majority of scouts and sentinel classes running around today were hardly so numerous when the 'almighty assault' was king a year ago. we were few and weak as such easier to contain and balance, now.....not so much. The almighty assault hasn't been king since chromosome. And I'm a sentinel. I wouldn't benefit from this change. I know, I assumed that was the reason, pardons. Also: assault role NOT assault class, big difference. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3037	Posted - 2014.09.23 10:05:00 - [29] - Quote I think we should start with the assault class. If it turns out to not be obnoxious put it to all logi and medium frames. Sentinels and scouts already have their own special snowflake superpowers that are quite functional while forgetting you have nades in your pocket. Oh an amendment. I advocate fuse changes on locus only. Flux are pretty much a win button on shields. Instantly making cal suits screwed should not be made easier.
Appia Nappia 1101	Posted - 2014.09.23 10:14:00 - [30] - Quote lol, yes, let's bring back the 2 second fuse! Not enough people are using their grenades to kill themselves so you don't get the kill! So very tired



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