Compaired to av swarms in this case we are dead nearly every time unlike ads which I shall not talk about but buffing the swarms close our fate if locked on too.

Ccp think about the consequences before buffs or nerfs please thats why were here now

Or at least part of the reason.

Compaired to av swarms in this case we are dead nearly every time

Compaired to av swarms in this case we are dead nearly every time unlike ads which I shall not talk about but buffing the swarms close our fate if locked on too.

Ccp think about the consequences before buffs or nerfs please thats why were here now

Or at least part of the reason.

...... I don't think you are qualified to drive a tank........

...... I don't think you are qualified to drive a tank........

This is strange considering how tankers used to farm infantry in the past, now they beg for mercy *insert evil laughter here*

#shotsfired

The OP doesn't know what he's talking about but I just wanted to drop by to say that not all tankers farmed infantry, and the best infantry slayer is and has always been infantry. Tankers can only kill you if you are stupid enough to be out in the open when there's a tank around.
In my whole Dust career I've died 3 times to a tank when playing as infantry. Maybe you should play with tanks to know how to avoid them if it's so hard for you. Tankers can only kill you if you let them. Infantry can kill you none the less. Even ADS can be avoided in many cases, obviously not all cases but many. If you don't want to die to an ADS in a match, you wont. But that might mean sacrificing the objective game or letting others do the dying for you.

I always die a little bit inside when someone cries about tanks farming infantry because I really thought this forum community was smarter than that.

I repeat: tanks only kill you if you let them. Don't let them so you don't have to cry.

Compaired to av swarms in this case we are dead nearly every time unlike ads which I shall not talk about but buffing the swarms close our fate if locked on too.

Ccp think about the consequences before buffs or nerfs please thats why were here now

Or at least part of the reason.

I just like pointing out ironies with a bit of cynicism.

I don't care what I've died to or how many times I have died to it. I dust my shoulders off and go at again. Michael Arck is far from a crybaby.

The post was not aimed to be passive aggressive at all.

#shotsfired

The OP doesn't know what he's talking about but I just wanted to drop by to say that not all tankers farmed infantry, and the best infantry slayer is and has always been infantry. Tankers can only kill you if you are stupid enough to be out in the open when there's a tank around.
In my whole Dust career I've died 3 times to a tank when playing as infantry. Maybe you should play with tanks to know how to avoid them if it's so hard for you. Tankers can only kill you if you let them. Infantry can kill you none the less. Even ADS can be avoided in many cases, obviously not all cases but many. If you don't want to die to an ADS in a match, you wont. But that might mean sacrificing the objective game or letting others do the dying for you.

I always die a little bit inside when someone cries about tanks farming infantry because I really thought this forum community was smarter than that.

I repeat: tanks only kill you if you let them. Don't let them so you don't have to cry.

Compaired to av swarms in this case we are dead nearly every time unlike ads which I shall not talk about but buffing the swarms close our fate if locked on too.

Ccp think about the consequences before buffs or nerfs please thats why were here now

Or at least part of the reason.

Aver fires swarms at tank
Tank pulls forwards, backwards or round a corner
The new lower turn angle swarms pile into wall/floor/random terrain
Tank chuckles quitely to self knowing dodging swarms is now EVEN EASIER.

I call bullshit.
I am a bit skeptical, no, let'smake that very skeptical about your claim of only dying 3 times to tanks, ever. Did you ever play Ambush against Nyain San or Duna in 1.7? And if you have to abandon the objective so tanks don't kill you, then are you just abandoning the objective?

I call bullshit.
I am a bit skeptical, no, let'smake that very skeptical about your claim of only dying 3 times to tanks, ever. Did you ever play Ambush against Nyain San or Duna in 1.7? And if you have to abandon the objective so tanks don't kill you, then are you just abandoning the objective?

See, not everybody wants to play Call of Duty mode. Not everybody is that simple-minded. For me, I want bigger and better, more things to worry about and consider.

I might feel compassion for vehicals if my calogi was immune to all but a couple weapons, or if I could hit my mod and ignore 40% of all incoming damage for long enuf to get a couple more kills then run away laughing, re's kill everyone don't cry jihad jeeps, installations kill everyone, you can even just run infantry over. Good pilots scoff at swarms.

*points to Domination and Skirmish gamemodes*

See I love how you generalize the Team Deathmatch mode gameplay into "Call of Duty mode". Battlefield 3 has Team Deathmatch and most of the maps are small and have non-existent vehicles (of course, this may not be the case, but from what I remember, they don't). You will only find vehicles in large maps and game modes such as Rush (Dust equivalent: Skirmish 1.0) or Conquest (Dust equivalent: Skirmish). I can't speak for the other Battlefield games so I'll let Battlefield vets back me up or correct me on this.

Other first person shooters I've played were Unreal Tournament and Tribes. Unreal Tournament had great Team Deathmatch gameplay and lightning fast duels. However, it never had vehicles. Tribes on the other hand, had great gameplay (I'm proud to be a vet and wish I still owned copies; got lost due to hard drive failures and computer upgrades). I think they might have had Team Deathmatch, but again, didn't have a way to call in your vehicles (needed a vehicle pad). Objective based gameplay, the biggest in Tribes was CTF, had vehicle pads, generators, and a host of things to do to try and take their flag.

Oh and let's not forget about other games like Quake or Doom, one which I didn't play and the other I only played a demo respectively.

Compare to something I remember in Call of Duty: Black Ops 1. I remember seeing a theater clip of someone going something like 54-3. He got his killstreak, hid behind something and called it out. I then remember his team and specific places that they didn't move from as he would then proceed to get kill after kill as the enemy spawned. His team had spawn trapped the enemy and, having his team using specific positions, meta-gamed the computer into thinking the enemy could only be spawned in a certain small area.

Compare it to a match I had a while back in Dust in Ambush OMS. We deploy close to the enemy, they call in a tank, infantry quickly scan, flank and crush our team. I manage to get a single kill before I die. As my team gets wiped out, we have no uplinks and we spawn looking down the barrel of a tank, HMG, shotgun, or some assault rifle. I lead the team in deaths using my starter fits (so nothing of worth was lost; no, I don't care about KDR), and get my free 100,000 ISK for essentially being a pinata.

(wow. didn't expect to write all this)

Anyways, you argue "Call of Duty mode" is when we remove vehicles from Ambush. My point is that "Call of Duty mode" is what we already have in our Team Deathmatch variant. Removing vehicles from Ambush would put the game mode on par with games like Quake, Doom, Unreal Tournament, Tribes, and Battlefield.

Well, I don't play TDM because I don't consider it an actual game mode. But if Dust restricted vehicle usage in other game modes, that would just be plain stupid because people actually have to specialize into vehicles and then you'd force them to not be able to play the role they've been spending months or even years to skill into. Kinda what happened to ambush, a game mode that is meant for only certain part of the playerbase. But I don't mind because like I said, I don't consider it an actual game mode. It's just a slaughter mode, or a horde mode where it's the opposite of hordes, you just rush to kill the spawning enemies instead of the spawning enemies being a challenge. That game mode doesn't support any teamwork or tactics. It's just a stomp fest.

*nods* You and I are of the same mind then pretty much. I'm torn because it does limit tankers (and let's say I want to tank someday and take my fit for a test spin, I can't because Ambush is limited), but on the other hand, with the current implementation of Ambush and design changes being limited (no client-side updates anymore), I can't help but feel that the "best" course of action is to limit vehicles in Ambush. It's not the best decision however, but more of "the lesser of two evils" option.

But now we've hijacked this thread of tangented off too Tangent Land. My view on the topic:

Acceleration of swarms isn't going to make your tank blow up now. They will just hit their max speed sooner. I'll have to ask Judge what the actual stats are but all it means is that it will hit your tank sooner.

Well, I don't know. As a 'Dren' Swarm Launcher... weaponeer?, I see a change happening to Swarms but I don't consider it strictly a buff. We'll see.

Yeah, it's not going to affect land V/AV gameplay much, at least I don't think so. Personally I would have made them even faster but I'd also fix the rendering... Which isn't happening. If rendering was fine like it was pre uprising, then swarms could easily be twice as fast as they are now and it wouldn't be too bad against ADS, because I don't get killed by AV that I see in my ADS, I get killed by the AV that I don't see.

Like the bright flashes that hit your ship and your not sure where it came from? As a poorly skilled ADS and a regular DS pilots, I think that's what annoys me the most. Like in one of the recent videos Judge put up, you can't kill what you can't see/know about.

Or spell.

*points to Domination and Skirmish gamemodes*

See I love how you generalize the Team Deathmatch mode gameplay into "Call of Duty mode". Battlefield 3 has Team Deathmatch and most of the maps are small and have non-existent vehicles (of course, this may not be the case, but from what I remember, they don't). You will only find vehicles in large maps and game modes such as Rush (Dust equivalent: Skirmish 1.0) or Conquest (Dust equivalent: Skirmish). I can't speak for the other Battlefield games so I'll let Battlefield vets back me up or correct me on this.

Other first person shooters I've played were Unreal Tournament and Tribes. Unreal Tournament had great Team Deathmatch gameplay and lightning fast duels. However, it never had vehicles. Tribes on the other hand, had great gameplay (I'm proud to be a vet and wish I still owned copies; got lost due to hard drive failures and computer upgrades). I think they might have had Team Deathmatch, but again, didn't have a way to call in your vehicles (needed a vehicle pad). Objective based gameplay, the biggest in Tribes was CTF, had vehicle pads, generators, and a host of things to do to try and take their flag.

Oh and let's not forget about other games like Quake or Doom, one which I didn't play and the other I only played a demo respectively.

Compare to something I remember in Call of Duty: Black Ops 1. I remember seeing a theater clip of someone going something like 54-3. He got his killstreak, hid behind something and called it out. I then remember his team and specific places that they didn't move from as he would then proceed to get kill after kill as the enemy spawned. His team had spawn trapped the enemy and, having his team using specific positions, meta-gamed the computer into thinking the enemy could only be spawned in a certain small area.

Compare it to a match I had a while back in Dust in Ambush OMS. We deploy close to the enemy, they call in a tank, infantry quickly scan, flank and crush our team. I manage to get a single kill before I die. As my team gets wiped out, we have no uplinks and we spawn looking down the barrel of a tank, HMG, shotgun, or some assault rifle. I lead the team in deaths using my starter fits (so nothing of worth was lost; no, I don't care about KDR), and get my free 100,000 ISK for essentially being a pinata.

(wow. didn't expect to write all this)

Anyways, you argue "Call of Duty mode" is when we remove vehicles from Ambush. My point is that "Call of Duty mode" is what we already have in our Team Deathmatch variant. Removing vehicles from Ambush would put the game mode on par with games like Quake, Doom, Unreal Tournament, Tribes, and Battlefield.

Omg, you actually count ambush as an actual game mode? TDM is as horrifying as game modes can get. Don't dare to talk about ambush here.

Why?
Anything else you want to exclude from the discussion?