So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

I never went through it.... I was always awesome at this game.

those of us that started in closed beta never had the problem, I cant say its not the new bloods faults for not finding out about dust before open beta but at the same time I blame us vets for killing the playerbase with our constant need for eepen stroking and ego boosting via pubstomping and our constant proto flashing.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

That is to be expected though. It is basic gaming nature to be competitive and try to beat the rest. Especially in an fps.

It is CCP's fault for not expecting it and planning accordingly.

To put this in perspective, OP's corp is built off of the remains of one of those openly racist "proto-only" corps that was wiped from the game once word got out about their behavior.

To put this in perspective, OP's corp is built off of the remains of one of those openly racist "proto-only" corps that was wiped from the game once word got out about their behavior.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

If you've created an alt to RELIVE your academy days

that post (not specifically but along the same tone and point) and attitude is one of the reasons many new bloods quit dust after their first day, keep it up and it will only be us vets left.

Increase Academy Graduation to 15k WP.

Boom.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

I created a new alt. about a month ago, went into the Academy and in my first match as soon as I spawned I saw dropships being called in that immediately flew to the best camping spits, tanks running for the enemy redline and what was obviously a bunch of vets playing. Scores were like 47-0. I called a couple of guys out for this but they thought it was funny. Some had names like AAF123, because they do this over and over, ISK farming and because they are sick bastards who enjoy it.

I don't know who you've been talking to, but most new players don't even know the forums exist. And "OUR" proto complaints are only meant to be shared between ourselves and never said seriously.

Example:

person a: Argh, that really sucked. I hate how I've died x amount of times to this proto scout with proto shotgun. I hate this game!!
person b: I know, right? but did you see how I crashed that dropship?
person a: lol. that was pretty funny.
person b: lost a lot of isk. oh well. want to play another match?
person a: sure!!

You know, most new players are perfectly happy just playing the game. We understand that there are a lot of players better than us, that there are a lot of tactics that may seem cheap, and that we have a long way to go before we can play competitively, but it is ALL PART OF THE GAME.

Besides, if I had to guess who's doing the most complaining, I would say it is players stuck somewhere between intermediate and vet status and are sick of not being able to cross that last hurdle.

so leave us new players out of this!! Nerf your own game! We're just going to enjoy Dust. So there!

Smart person right here ^^^^^^ , everybody doesn't need their hand held and big fat cushions to start out this game and if they quit then maybe they were going to do that anyway and Dust is just not the game for them , everybody doesn't like to work and Dust makes you work and that's one of the things that I love about this game .

You have to fight to win and not have items and things handed to one on a silver platter .

Some people like games that are a challenge and not P2W .

there is a fine difference between working hard and getting ass raped all the time, ever since uprising though, the working hard factor is non existent anymore, its either you live through a year of getting ass raped by players who have been here since closed beta or you quit.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

So I've been hearing a lot of people ***** about how they are always getting proto stomped when they get out of the Academy. Then they go around saying that they should get more starting SP or nerf protots and other **** like that. But what you people don't get is that all us experienced players had to go through the same ****. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT!!!!!

So instead of complaining, why don't you start coming up with ideas, other than nerfing protos or starting out with more SP, that will help out the new players.

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I for one , don't see what your talking about .

When you start a job , you start on the bottom .

In sports , the same ... even if your good you have to win the respect of others around you .

In life you have to crawl before you walk and your fed before you can feed yourself .

Your right about one thing though , quitting and if I was that weak of mind or don't like to work ... then I would have but I like competition and challenges .

This game has been around for some years and the premise is that you have to work , so why complain about that and the fact that there are some who work hard for what they have and some who have worked longer at it as well ?

I like to fight , I fight for my life every day , I have to have strength of mind and body to survive so why shy away from Dust ???

I don't get frustrated because I understand the mechanics and that makes me want to work that much harder .

When I didn't understand , then it made me mad but hell this is a fighting game and I'm here to do just that and I'm not letting players who have put in the work before me run me off and I'm not going to let the fact that I have to work .. do the same and that's .. run me off .

Some people like that in this game and it's what keep it interesting for them .

But I am a man and not a child or teenager so that might have something to do with it as well but in that instance , I know teens that are more mature then adults so I just think that it's all about the individual .

Edit: To me , there are more problems with manipulative practices of players , glitches and lagging in game and the counterbalance of exploits then anything in Dust .

I'm just saying there are more issues then the " New Player Experience " where there are more alts then can be counted and a large population of the game made up by these ghost characters where clearly people use their alts to stomp and move money and resources around , screwing up the economy but that isn't really an issue I guess because that's allowed .

If we're talking about new players then lets get the alts out of the room for the conversation .

I agree with you in that it does take work to get anywhere in existence, but what the newbies are going through in dust is not hard work. if you were to get synked into 5 matches in a row and all you could do was sit behind the redline or go 5-30 over and over again would you appreciate the game that's constantly ******* you up the ass or would you quit it because you don't see anything that would make the experience enjoyable?

Better solution: graduate at current WP. After graduation, add a game mode called Academy that is the only mode checked by default. This is available until you hit an SP cap of around 5mill SP. Technically this is separate from the existing academy because you don't want players with 4.9mill SP stomping guys loading the game for their first match, trying to learn the controls. Also you want new players to realize there is more to the game than just the academy, So they should have the option of fighting regular pubs, FW, or even PC (not likely).

This is the best of both worlds. It gives new players freedom and flexibility, but also provides a stomp-free environment for them to build up a solid ADV fit that's reasonably competitive, make some friends, and learn tactics, maps and game mechanics. Combine this with CCP Rattati's plan for matchmaking (ideally based on WPs per death) and you have a recipe for dramatically increased new player retention.