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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:09:00 -
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People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion. It's true that scouts have every single statistic better than all the other frames except HP. And mediums have more slots.
That's the only goddamn thing they lack. They even have as high of damage potential as a heavy because of REs.
You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
Obviously if you mix and match the races it's a different story. Of course a minmatar will have worse stats than the others, etc. But it becomes clear when you look at the same race of scout vs that race's assault or heavy. Even though caldari scout has slightly worse shield depleted recharge than sentinel, it has much better shield recharge rate.
All the medium's shield regen is pathetic and worse than a heavy I mean WTF reason could there be for that? Lack of attention from CCP that's what. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
935
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:14:00 -
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Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old.
Hopefully someone over at CCP starts smelling the coffee because I am convinced that Rattati must run scouts when he does play and that is why they remain the king no matter what.
Scouts should have 1 equipment and one weapon slot. This way they have to choose if they want to carry equipment or cloak and they have to choose if they want to be up close or mid/long range. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
898
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:16:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion.
they do not respect the game
they do not respect the enemy
they want to play Mario
Please support fair play!
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:17:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old.
Hopefully someone over at CCP starts smelling the coffee because I am convinced that Rattati must run scouts when he does play and that is why they remain the king no matter what.
Scouts should have 1 equipment and one weapon slot. This way they have to choose if they want to carry equipment or cloak and they have to choose if they want to be up close or mid/long range.
No I think two sidearms is more fair. It's a serious joke not having a backup weapon. Trust me, I ran slayer logi with an assault rifle post-nerf from 1.6 to the end of 1.7 and I kind of still do run it. |
Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
475
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:26:00 -
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1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1198
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:29:00 -
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i like the use of your capital letters at the beginning of all the right sentences and i salute such an effort to such a noble post i was somewhat inspired by it
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
900
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:32:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
10/10
Please support fair play!
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
375
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:34:00 -
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Please QQ some more to keep your avarage "8 QQ threads per day"
Broken record much bro? |
Jace Kaisar
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:36:00 -
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They aren't OP. Powerful in the right hands? Hell yes, but so is EVERYTHING ELSE (Suit-wise).
I've seen Kalante Schiffer go tear-assing through ambush with a Gal Assault and Breach AR
I've seen God Hates Lags go and shred people with his Gal Heavy and Boundless HMG
I've seen Sgt. Kirk go and pub stomp in his Commando GK.0 and Plasma Cannon
I've personally gone and tore things up with a Min Scout and Flaylocks.
Stop Complaining. If you keep getting killed by Remotes, Don't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Adapt and Overcome, instead of whining to the forums about how you can't cope with other people taking advantage of your lack of squadplay and situational awareness.
I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost
Before you ask, yes this is me.
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Vesperz
Inner.Hell
109
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:39:00 -
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OKAY HOLD ON HERE GUYS, THERES ENOUGH LIKES FOR EVERYONE!
YOU GET A LIKE, AND YOU GET A LIKE!
Live by honor, kill by stealth.
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
481
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:41:00 -
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One more thing to help you listen to those glorious footsteps:
1. Go to settings.
2. Turn music down.
3. Turn dialogue down.
4. Turn SFX and whatever else up.
5. Learn to tune out the other noises around you and become one with the map. Subconsciously remember all the places you can get killed from. Behind you being your first priority and in front of you being your last.
Scouts are crazy but we're aren't that crazy...unless we had a bit too much alcohol in our system. *clears throat*
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Private Part's
sticky green's
17
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:42:00 -
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This thread reminds me of that saying "Haters gonna hate". |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
General Tso's Alliance
3537
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:43:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun.
Scouts can have re's and a nano.. Assaults have to choose a nano or a re, so don't bother using that lmfao.
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
481
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:47:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun. Scouts can have re's and a nano.. Assaults have to choose a nano or a re, so don't bother using that lmfao.
My point was that everyone gets a chance to use REs except heavies & Compact Nanohive> Nanohive. Dat portable armor rep is a lifesaver.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
902
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:50:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:TDon't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Wrong.
25k isk invisible noobs can use REs: in any situation - when squad moving, during the storming, during the retreat.
Please check my sig, m8.
Please support fair play!
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
78
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:50:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:One more thing to help you listen to those glorious footsteps:
1. Go to settings.
2. Turn music down.
3. Turn dialogue down.
4. Turn SFX and whatever else up.
5. Learn to tune out the other noises around you and become one with the map. Subconsciously remember all the places you can get killed from. Behind you being your first priority and in front of you being your last.
Scouts are crazy but we're aren't that crazy...unless we had a bit too much alcohol in our system. *clears throat*
thanks i never knew you could hear footsteps AT ALL in this game. i've been playing for a year and just recently started messing with sensitivity settings. i never have been one to mess around with those in other games.
to everyone else. im just pointing out the facts. take it as you will but please take a moment to realize if you insult me how you sound like an immature child |
Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
78
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:58:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:I've seen Kalante Schiffer go tear-assing through ambush with a Gal Assault and Breach AR
I've seen Sgt. Kirk go and pub stomp in his Commando GK.0 and Plasma Cannon
I've personally gone and tore things up with a Min Scout and Flaylocks.
All of this is restricted to pubs only and would make you cannon fodder in PC.
Quote:Adapt and Overcome, instead of whining to the forums about how you can't cope with other people taking advantage of your lack of squadplay and situational awareness.
I'm really not whining. The people who respond to my threads are. You should really check yourselves before accusing me of complaining. I am pointing out the facts plain and simple. |
Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
481
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Posted - 2014.09.09 04:59:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:One more thing to help you listen to those glorious footsteps:
1. Go to settings.
2. Turn music down.
3. Turn dialogue down.
4. Turn SFX and whatever else up.
5. Learn to tune out the other noises around you and become one with the map. Subconsciously remember all the places you can get killed from. Behind you being your first priority and in front of you being your last.
Scouts are crazy but we're aren't that crazy...unless we had a bit too much alcohol in our system. *clears throat* thanks i never knew you could hear footsteps AT ALL in this game. i've been playing for a year and just recently started messing with sensitivity settings. i never have been one to mess around with those in other games. to everyone else. im just pointing out the facts. take it as you will but please take a moment to realize if you insult me how you sound like an immature child
Yeah I never had headphones until about Feburary(gaming ones that is). And my teacher/CEO of R0N1N told me about that cause I used to killed left and right. After that it was easier to be more aware of my surroundings. Having all that extra background noise that isn't squad chatter is annoying. Your situational awareness will definitely rise. It'll help you not watch your TacNet all the time. Looking at the Tac isn't bad per say but it's good to use your eyes to see what your TacNet doesn't pick up.
When I go against other scouts I know my TacNet isn't going to pick them up unless they have no damps, etc etc. So I have to look around and listen around.
Scouting ain't all hot cars and hot girls haha. There's a learning curve and it's a SP grind to get your cores in order.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
902
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:04:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:One more thing to help you listen to those glorious footsteps:
1. Go to settings.
2. Turn music down.
3. Turn dialogue down.
4. Turn SFX and whatever else up.
5. Learn to tune out the other noises around you and become one with the map. Subconsciously remember all the places you can get killed from. Behind you being your first priority and in front of you being your last.
Scouts are crazy but we're aren't that crazy...unless we had a bit too much alcohol in our system. *clears throat* thanks i never knew you could hear footsteps AT ALL in this game. i've been playing for a year and just recently started messing with sensitivity settings. i never have been one to mess around with those in other games. to everyone else. im just pointing out the facts. take it as you will but please take a moment to realize if you insult me how you sound like an immature child
I'm sorry, but why to play against one type of suit is enough to watch, but to play against the other - you need to watch and listen carefully and close for better results all the windows and doors? )))
Please support fair play!
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Jace Kaisar
182
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:06:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Jace Kaisar wrote:TDon't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Wrong. 25k isk invisible noobs can use REs: in any situation - when squad moving, during the storming, during the retreat. Please check my sig, m8.
Cloak problem not RE problem. Also, I rarely get killed by RE's. Wanna know why? I NEVER STOP MOVING
I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost
Before you ask, yes this is me.
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Henrietta Unknown
CREATURES OF THE NIGHT
304
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:07:00 -
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Worst comes to worst, take a MLT light frame and MLT SG and start murdering them back at only 10K a fitting.
SG for the rifle and Cal Scouts, and Rifle for the SG scouts (keep your distance).
I've tried and it works. They don't expect you to go back at them with a scout fit; they assume you'll continue whatever you like most and take advantage of that.
Henrietta Reborn
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
79
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:08:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:Scouting ain't all hot cars and hot girls haha. There's a learning curve and it's a SP grind to get your cores in order.
core? thats the same for every suit.
but i will definitely have a hard time with the initial SP grind. i don't have a single point into biotics or EWAR, cloak is only level 1 and my only light weapon is the assault rifle. the good thing is I have all the other dropsuit upgrades maxed and i've got a lot of points in my scrambler pistol. so i can have the highest HP possible and run proto equipment.
ive pretty much decided to go Gal scout. if i'm going to put points into EWAR, I want the suit that has the best of everything. it even does very well with speed and stamina. i wanted it before the precision buff and now that is has all 3 stats in a good place there's no question it's the scout for me. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
902
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:15:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:
Cloak problem not RE problem. Also, I rarely get killed by RE's. Wanna know why? I NEVER STOP MOVING
Heavy who guarded point listening with disbelief.
Stamina ends. Speed GÇïGÇï(not running) is less than the radius of RE blast.
Please support fair play!
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1310
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:17:00 -
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You yourself admitted how the scout was balanced in your first stanza.
Ask yourself: What is the most important variable to take into account when playing an FPS?
Answer: Survive-ability. When my 300 eHP shotgun scout comes up behind a 1200 eHP heavy and I have to put 3-4 shotgun shells in him to down him, I find it rather hard NOT to die to a 800 DPS gun, after all, he only has to catch me for less than half a second and I'm done for.
So there you go QQ more git gud scrub |
Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
79
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:18:00 -
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because a suit that can strafe in circles around a heavy needs HP |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2325
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:21:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:...Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion...
...You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason...
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"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1311
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:21:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:because a suit that can strafe in circles around a heavy needs HP
because every other suit in the game doesn't require you to change your sensitivity settings just to be able to ******* aim at them
jesus christ can't you people understand it's like resident evil up in this *****? like we're trying to fight this deadly genetically engineered monster that can move faster and hit harder than you?
I'm not even going to argue with you seeing as you are one with inferior intelligence, I feel bad for you. |
Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
79
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:22:00 -
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yet again more qq for stating facts. |
Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
482
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:23:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Kin Cat wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:One more thing to help you listen to those glorious footsteps:
1. Go to settings.
2. Turn music down.
3. Turn dialogue down.
4. Turn SFX and whatever else up.
5. Learn to tune out the other noises around you and become one with the map. Subconsciously remember all the places you can get killed from. Behind you being your first priority and in front of you being your last.
Scouts are crazy but we're aren't that crazy...unless we had a bit too much alcohol in our system. *clears throat* thanks i never knew you could hear footsteps AT ALL in this game. i've been playing for a year and just recently started messing with sensitivity settings. i never have been one to mess around with those in other games. to everyone else. im just pointing out the facts. take it as you will but please take a moment to realize if you insult me how you sound like an immature child I'm sorry, but why to play against one type of suit is enough to watch, but to play against the other - you need to watch and listen carefully and close for better results all the windows and doors? )))
Well it's not for one suit essentially. Sometimes I didn't pick someone up on the TacNet(I'm a Min Scout so I have to add E-War to help me "see" better) but I heard their footsteps, so I turn back and look for them.
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1311
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:24:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:yet again more qq for stating facts.
i know it's kinda annoying i wish you would stop |
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
902
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:26:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:
1.) Perfectly valid. Cloak needs a delay before doing ANYTHING.
2.) There is a delay. It's just really short on the Proto RE, and most are armed by the time they hit the ground. ADV Re's are perfect IMO.
3.) There is a sound. Listen. If they are throwing RE's at you from outside audio range a still killing you, that's a personal problem.
1. Ok.
2. NO.
3. Shots of your squad at the enemies - it's the sound. Or you offer to drop their weapons and wait for a scout will come running? )))
Please support fair play!
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
12066
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:29:00 -
[32] - Quote
Scouts didn't need all the buffs they got IN ADDITION to a cloak.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
484
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:32:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:Scouting ain't all hot cars and hot girls haha. There's a learning curve and it's a SP grind to get your cores in order.
core? thats the same for every suit. but i will definitely have a hard time with the initial SP grind. i don't have a single point into biotics or EWAR, cloak is only level 1 and my only light weapon is the assault rifle. the good thing is I have all the other dropsuit upgrades maxed and i've got a lot of points in my scrambler pistol. so i can have the highest HP possible and run proto equipment. ive pretty much decided to go Gal scout. if i'm going to put points into EWAR, I want the suit that has the best of everything. it even does very well with speed and stamina. i wanted it before the precision buff and now that is has all 3 stats in a good place there's no question it's the scout for me.
When I mean core, I mean everything on the skill tree practically. Not just your tank stuff but your damps, precision and range skills. Anything to lower your CPU/PG on your suit or a weapon. On an Assault it's a bit easier for certain things. (I haven't used Minmatar Assault since the new weapons came out) But for Assaults it's more about making your shields and armor more efficient than it is worrying abouy precision, damps and range. Only thing scout related I can see Assaults using is the biotics skill tree.
Assaults is more about weapons, so your main concern is getting that CPU/PG down and then strengthening your armor and shield.
As a scout you gotta reduce weapons, increase precision, damps, range, nanocircuitry for a equipment buff, explosives, shields and armor and all the inner crap.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1374
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:36:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun. hold on to that crutch before you fall over from all the bull your spewing. telling other people to pay attention as you wallhack with bad gungame.
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:39:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:because a suit that can strafe in circles around a heavy needs HP
because every other suit in the game doesn't require you to change your sensitivity settings just to be able to ******* aim at them
jesus christ can't you people understand it's like resident evil up in this *****? like we're trying to fight this deadly genetically engineered monster that can move faster and hit harder than you?
Dust changes it's sensitivity probably. I just lowered my sensitivity even more. It was 15,20 now it's 10,15. Accurate, no oversteering which I have a tendency to do. You gotta just mess around . Before I changed my sensitivity I couldn't aim for **** with a Shotgun but it's much easier now, and since I play with a slow sensitivity already, adapting to shooting with other weapojs or.knving wasn't anissue.
And **** I have so many typos because of this damn phone.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Here, look at this thread I made, it applies to OP especially. |
Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Aria Gomes wrote:
Dust changes it's sensitivity probably. I just lowered my sensitivity even more. It was 15,20 now it's 10,15. Accurate, no oversteering which I have a tendency to do. You gotta just mess around . Before I changed my sensitivity I couldn't aim for **** with a Shotgun but it's much easier now, and since I play with a slow sensitivity already, adapting to shooting with other weapojs or.knving wasn't anissue.
And **** I have so many typos because of this damn phone.
someone actually woke me up to the sensitivity thing a month or so ago. i threw them all up to 100 and liked it at first.
but now that i realize hipfire needs to be less twitchy for my HMG, i put it back on default and i'll see how i like it.
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Aria Gomes
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Posted - 2014.09.09 05:48:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun. hold on to that crutch before you fall over from all the bull your spewing. telling other people to pay attention as you wallhack with bad gungame.
Lol crutch? I barely use my cloak if at all. I prefer to speed tank or run one damp. And as a Minmatar Scout I have to make sacrifices just to "wallhack", I have to wear two precision enhancers just to get a good reading on people and since this game has other scouts that have better E-War than me, I have to make up for it by filling my highs to get their levels. Even then I can't "see" them, unless I use my eyes or.listen with my ears.
It's not easy like you think running around with 198 shields and 87 armor. If it was you'd see more scouts running with low hp. I sacrifice just like every other suit. If someone leaves my range, then I'm **** outta luck. TacNet is just a guide, it's not the bible. A good scout doesn't pay all their attention to their TacNet. They go between the two but mostly engross themselves in their environment.
Don't get mad because a Scout knows the ins and outs of a map better than you. Knows when to jump off, where to turn, where to hide and where to flank. We conditioned ourselves to go beyond the TacNet and focus on things not seen on the thing.
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 06:00:00 -
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now that i think about it, i was doing what youre talking about with the radar naturally without thinking
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Kin Cat wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old.
Hopefully someone over at CCP starts smelling the coffee because I am convinced that Rattati must run scouts when he does play and that is why they remain the king no matter what.
Scouts should have 1 equipment and one weapon slot. This way they have to choose if they want to carry equipment or cloak and they have to choose if they want to be up close or mid/long range. No I think two sidearms is more fair. It's a serious joke not having a backup weapon. Trust me, I ran slayer logi with an assault rifle post-nerf from 1.6 to the end of 1.7 and I kind of still do run it.
Honestly that was my first thought as well but that would be even more unfairly limiting, first in their weapon selection, second in the fact that they would not even be able to run a shotgun.
One light weapon slot is the most fair in my opinion. With one weapon slot they have to choose what style they want to run and end up at a severe disadvantage if they are caught outside of that target area they have built their suit for. They can keep the weapons as is for all I care just drop the 2 equipment slots. Having 2 equipment slots along with the rest of its advantages completely nullifies logis.
Examples:
Rep Logi:
Min logi get 1 weapon and only an increase in rep range
Amarr scout with rep tool has 2 weapons and provides great scans along with reps and a needle (not dirty needle cause they see near by enemies)
Hive Logi:
Caldari gets 1 weapon and bonus to nanite distribution (canceled upon death)
Cal scout gets long range scans and dampening allowing it to use its speed and stealth to quickly deliver ammo during a strong push or a flank while also providing some passive scans while fighting after dropping their hives.
Link Logi:
Amarr has 2 weapons and gets a bonus to spawn speed (cancels upon death) while being relatively slow and very visible with no increased visibility to the team.
Min logi has high speed and relatively low visibility allowing it to quickly distribute links in flank spots or return links to a defensive position quickly if a defense is failing
Scanner Logi:
Gallente gets 1 weapon and increased scan precision that only at proto with a proto scanner does it have a chance of picking people up
Any scout can provide high level passives and stay hidden while scanning while running 2 scanners and keeping long range targets lit up as well.
You can mix and match any scout taking the place of any logi and it just works out better. There is 10x more benefit to running a scout logi than an actual logi. You are more ready to fight, faster at delivering support, and aside from deployable equipment spam being reduced has no downside in comparison.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:13:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun. hold on to that crutch before you fall over from all the bull your spewing. telling other people to pay attention as you wallhack with bad gungame. Lol crutch? I barely use my cloak if at all. I prefer to speed tank or run one damp. And as a Minmatar Scout I have to make sacrifices just to "wallhack", I have to wear two precision enhancers just to get a good reading on people and since this game has other scouts that have better E-War than me, I have to make up for it by filling my highs to get their levels. Even then I can't "see" them, unless I use my eyes or.listen with my ears. It's not easy like you think running around with 198 shields and 87 armor. If it was you'd see more scouts running with low hp. I sacrifice just like every other suit. If someone leaves my range, then I'm **** outta luck. TacNet is just a guide, it's not the bible. A good scout doesn't pay all their attention to their TacNet. They go between the two but mostly engross themselves in their environment. Don't get mad because a Scout knows the ins and outs of a map better than you. Knows when to jump off, where to turn, where to hide and where to flank. We conditioned ourselves to go beyond the TacNet and focus on things not seen on the thing. LMAO if you think running a scout suit takes any skill at all right now. i have ran assault my whole time in dust. i just put some SP in scout to see what it was like and boom all of a sudden easymode. you can see all heavys assaults and logis on the map at all times with no Ewar mods. only counter to a scout is a different scout. im not asking for it to be nerfed or anything but your all full of **** if you say the scout is not OP.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:14:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:im not asking for it to be nerfed or anything but your all full of **** if you say the scout is not OP.
10/10
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Aria Gomes
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:34:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:1. Commandos, Logis and Assaults can all use REs.
2. Mediums have more slots so they can add things to make their suit more efficient. (Shield Regulators, Energizers, and Rechargers) If a medium frame, more specifically an Assault isn't looking for ways to make their shield or armor tank style last longer than they're a crappy Assault. Throwing on one regulator/recharger/armor rep isn't going to hurt you. It'll help you die less and fight longer.
3. Scouts have only been "OP" since cloaks and new scouts, before cloaks not many people ran scout unless they truly had an interest in it. Now everyone is a scout so they can tank, gank and be hidden.
Ask any of the other scouts on this board and they can tell you how it was pre-Amarr/Caldari scouts.
Also if you're dying to scouts all the day maybe you should look around your surroundings before going all head first like so many heavies do, because they think, "I haz so muc HP!! Lololoolol burst hmg"
Use your eyes and your ears, if you have a headset use it and listen to your environment.
That's how a lot of scouts get the drop on people or even other scouts. And yes you can even hear footsteps when the person is cloaked. I heard footsteps above me so I knew to check my back every few seconds. Turned around to a cloak running towards me.
If.you don't have a headset, buy one for $40 from Turtle Beach. Cheap and effective.
I'm tired of people saying scouts are OP, just because there's a few bad apples out there that use it as an assault doesn't mean we're all OP.
Pay attention and maybe you won't die to a Nova Knife or Shotgun. hold on to that crutch before you fall over from all the bull your spewing. telling other people to pay attention as you wallhack with bad gungame. Lol crutch? I barely use my cloak if at all. I prefer to speed tank or run one damp. And as a Minmatar Scout I have to make sacrifices just to "wallhack", I have to wear two precision enhancers just to get a good reading on people and since this game has other scouts that have better E-War than me, I have to make up for it by filling my highs to get their levels. Even then I can't "see" them, unless I use my eyes or.listen with my ears. It's not easy like you think running around with 198 shields and 87 armor. If it was you'd see more scouts running with low hp. I sacrifice just like every other suit. If someone leaves my range, then I'm **** outta luck. TacNet is just a guide, it's not the bible. A good scout doesn't pay all their attention to their TacNet. They go between the two but mostly engross themselves in their environment. Don't get mad because a Scout knows the ins and outs of a map better than you. Knows when to jump off, where to turn, where to hide and where to flank. We conditioned ourselves to go beyond the TacNet and focus on things not seen on the thing. LMAO if you think running a scout suit takes any skill at all right now. i have ran assault my whole time in dust. i just put some SP in scout to see what it was like and boom all of a sudden easymode. you can see all heavys assaults and logis on the map at all times with no Ewar mods. only counter to a scout is a different scout. im not asking for it to be nerfed or anything but your all full of **** if you say the scout is not OP.
Sure running scouts has became easier for us, but us Scouts have to deal with the assault scouts just like you. I'm saying that scouts aren't OP because they're not. Yes they have capabilities to get tanky like an assault, but that's not our fault, that's CCP's fault for not giving a heavy penalty besides sprint speed to them stacking armor. Shield tanking I can't really comment on, because all you need to do is either run a shield type weapon or a flux & itllbe easier to kill them.
All these assault scouts are just using the scout suit because there isn't a drawback to running it as such. If therew as a penalty to running assault scouts, I bet you nobody would use the suit in that manner again.
But yeah scouts being easy mode is laughable at best, but I'm a Min Scout so my opinion is obviously biased. I can't armor tank because itt akes away from.the best thing I have; speed. & shield tanking,,
Ehh sometimes and my highest shield tank fit is 308 shields and 87 armor.
Again, blame CCP not the players. Stacking plates should have a penalty to the suit's everything. From damps, speed and whatever else. Especially on shiels type scouts like ghe Cal. Only armor plates that don't have movement penalty is (all)ferroscale and basic reactive.
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John Psi
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Steel Balls Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:38:00 -
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I'm sorry, someone can explain to me the meaning of the word "Scout"?
Please support fair play!
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Aria Gomes
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:47:00 -
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It depends on the person honestly. The typical scout would be Amarr. He gives scans to his squad. Cal and Gal is about being James Bond haha. And Min is a ninja.
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:03:00 -
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While i agree that scouts are far from OP, there is no denying what so ever how powerful they are in their versatility
A huge chunk of this versatility came from the fact that they all got a 2nd equipment slot to allow them to have 1 equipment and a cloak fitted at the same time, only all that really achieved was that most scouts don't really use cloaks now and they became a pseudo logi with a smaller hitbox and a load more speed.
Something that I thought of while semi-comatose the other night was to remove this 2nd equipment slot, make the cloak a high/low/sidearm slot item instead and then tune the cpu and PG as required
I havn't really thought about it further than that, so feel free to poke holes in it
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shaman oga
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:08:00 -
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I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:09:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:It depends on the person honestly. The typical scout would be Amarr. He gives scans to his squad. Cal and Gal is about being James Bond haha. And Min is a ninja.
Really? ))
I mistakenly thought that this invisible Assault / Bomber.
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:34:00 -
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John Psi wrote:I'm sorry, someone can explain to me the meaning of the word "Scout"?
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:44:00 -
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Remove one equipment slot and/or cloaks at all. Make it so they can only equip ferroscale/reactive plates.Discussion over
Playing scout most of the time,with low eHP and focus on ewar, I could live with that...
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:46:00 -
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Scar Scrilla wrote:Remove one equipment slot and/or cloaks at all. Discussion over
HOLY ****. what if there was a light suit that is the only one that can use the cloak, and the regular scouts couldn't? |
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:48:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Scar Scrilla wrote:Remove one equipment slot and/or cloaks at all. Discussion over HOLY ****. what if there was a light suit that is the only one that can use the cloak, and the regular scouts couldn't?
I said remove cloaks at all. Therefor for all classes
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:57:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:They aren't OP.
As long as they lack a drawback and effective eWAR counters, yes they are.
From an objective standpoint, of course.
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John Psi wrote:Jace Kaisar wrote:TDon't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Wrong. 25k isk invisible noobs can use REs: in any situation - when squad moving, during the storming, during the retreat. Please check my sig, m8.
RE's are nullified by people who move...
The only thing they're good on is max tank amarr sentinels camping in one place.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 11:08:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old.
That must be why you never see squads of sentinels and minlogis in PC  |
Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
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Posted - 2014.09.09 11:08:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:John Psi wrote:Jace Kaisar wrote:TDon't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Wrong. 25k isk invisible noobs can use REs: in any situation - when squad moving, during the storming, during the retreat. Please check my sig, m8. RE's are nullified by people who move... The only thing they're good on is max tank amarr sentinels camping in one place.
ive heard theyre good on all sentinels including caldari |
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Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion. It's true that scouts have every single statistic better than all the other frames except HP. And mediums have more slots.
That's the only goddamn thing they lack. They even have as high of damage potential as a heavy because of REs.
You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
Obviously if you mix and match the races it's a different story. Of course a minmatar will have worse stats than the others, etc. But it becomes clear when you look at the same race of scout vs that race's assault or heavy. Even though caldari scout has slightly worse shield depleted recharge than sentinel, it has much better shield recharge rate.
All the medium's shield regen is pathetic and worse than a heavy I mean WTF reason could there be for that? Lack of attention from CCP that's what.
havnt you see the 1000 ehp scout suit with 6kin CR on? i dont think you have, have you? :|
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:50:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:It depends on the person honestly. The typical scout would be Amarr. He gives scans to his squad. Cal and Gal is about being James Bond haha. And Min is a ninja. Really? )) I mistakenly thought that this invisible Assault / Bomber.
Quite honestly you're one of the worst players in the game, if you joined a game and had 6 players on your team against 1 player on the other team you would still pull out a tank.
Consider a scout is a tank, the go and QQ some more, you made your bed, now you get to lie in it. I hope you have nightmares where monsters suddenly appear behind you and shoot you in the back with a shotgun.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:59:00 -
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You can "state facts" and still be an idiot.
Case in point.... |
Death Shadow117
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i hope you get banned you are seriously annoying and no one likes you.
Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
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John Psi wrote:Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion. they do not respect the game they do not respect the enemy they want to play Mario
9/10 scouts are <18
They just want to run around with legit hacks and boast that they are great and have it easy.
There are maybe 30 actual great scouts left in the game I reckon.
How hard a scout is to run is purely relative to how much of a nub someone is. The only people who think its hard mode have to be sht, seriously.
I have seen the crappest players who are on the verge of quitting go scout and bam, they do great.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:54:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion.
[...]
You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
[...]
So, is it your opinion, or is it a fact? Can't be both.
Anywho, our stats aren't that much better than any other suits'.
What we have, EWAR, can be played on mediums and heavies, too, just don't expect it to be as good as a scout's.
REs can be used on any suit.
You stated the fact that we have less health, but did you also take into account the Sentinel resistances bonus? They can survive an RE attack, you know?
We're not much faster than a medium frame of the same race. No, really! It's true!
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
Another one is the HMG. Did you know that weapon tears people to pieces? Scouts even more so, no matter how much they tank. So, I believe this a rock, paper, scissors type of counter.
Anyways, got too lazy to keep proving you why scouts aren't as OP as you thought they were.
With love,
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion.
[...]
You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
[...] So, is it your opinion, or is it a fact? Can't be both. Anywho, our stats aren't that much better than any other suits'. What we have, EWAR, can be played on mediums and heavies, too, just don't expect it to be as good as a scout's. REs can be used on any suit. You stated the fact that we have less health, but did you also take into account the Sentinel resistances bonus? They can survive an RE attack, you know? We're not much faster than a medium frame of the same race. No, really! It's true! Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker! I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter. Another one is the HMG. Did you know that weapon tears people to pieces? Scouts even more so, no matter how much they tank. So, I believe this a rock, paper, scissors type of counter. Anyways, got too lazy to keep proving you why scouts aren't as OP as you thought they were. With love, A scout/heavy/assault (but I really love playing as a scout)
My opinion is fact, aye.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:00:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy.
Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the other has speed and ewar.
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TechMechMeds
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:02:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy. Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the minority of the other uses speed and ewar. The majority are tanked up shotgun newbs. Seems balanced.
Fixed.
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Newbs With Bewbs
xx The Fairies xx
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:02:00 -
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Scouts are only slightly OP, I really don't understand what the reasoning behind them having 2 equipment slots was.
The thing that makes them OP is the endless REs they have (nanohive)
With one equipment slot scouts would be fine. Or reduce RE splash damage maybe?
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Newbs With Bewbs
xx The Fairies xx
68
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:03:00 -
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Also two Side-arms is just stupid. Go run your hmg.
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Nestil
uptown456
138
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:26:00 -
[68] - Quote
maybe we just got gud back at the time, when we were running in a 200 ehp suit, while you went the uber elite cal logi/tac ar combo?!
btw the most isk efficient way to play this game is a heavy (even mlt heavies are great with a hmg) and you even have to invest less sp too.... |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3952
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:32:00 -
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Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
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TechMechMeds
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RISE of LEGION
5528
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
This is general discussion.
Reported for reporting based on butthurt.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3952
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:41:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog. This is general discussion. Reported for reporting based on butthurt.
Just tired of the same old nonconstructive dialog. There are real problems and real solutions and no one is getting anywhere with spamming troll posts.
All the trolls succeed in doing is making everyone get defensive and becoming more entrenched than creatively and collaboratively looking for solutions.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
380
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:08:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old. That must be why you never see squads of sentinels and minlogis in PC
This. The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing.
A little side note. I do think that the 2nd equipment slot could be removed from the scout as the multiple equipment slot loadout is reserved for the logi.
On my main character, I have proto:
Cal logi
Cal assault
Cal sentinel
Cal scout
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
96
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:30:00 -
[73] - Quote
that kind of narrow minded thinking about Min Logi being the only good logi is why I don't take PC seriously
Quote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
now now! i wish you scouts wouldn't be so afraid of a logical debate around your dropsuit!
fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... leads to stupidity, apparently. |
TechMechMeds
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:34:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:that kind of narrow minded thinking about Min Logi being the only good logi is why I don't take PC seriously Quote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog. now now! i wish you scouts wouldn't be so afraid of a logical debate around your dropsuit! fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... leads to stupidity, apparently.
Talk to my alt because the main ain't listening!.
Aye, that's why I don't like PC because I have to run brick out crap that I don't want to.
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Git gud man utd.
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
96
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:35:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:i hope you get banned you are seriously annoying and no one likes you.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1485
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:45:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote: The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing.
I play a lot of PCs against all of the top teams. Scouts absolutely do have a place on the field in PCs. Particularly the outside points, but also in the city.
Sure the enclosed spaces are full of logis and heavies, but to suggest that PC is "all about minlogi and sentinel combo" is simply wrong....as scouts, tanks, ADSs and even commandos have important roles to play.
PC dropsuits are actually as diverse as they have ever been. No suit dominates. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:56:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old. That must be why you never see squads of sentinels and minlogis in PC This. The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing. A little side note. I do think that the 2nd equipment slot could be removed from the scout as the multiple equipment slot loadout is reserved for the logi. On my main character, I have proto: Cal logi Cal assault Cal sentinel Cal scout a corp that spams heavys and logis in PC will get stomped by any skilled intelligent opponent with slayer scouts. but i don't like calling anything OP cause i am not a fan of seeing nerfs every patch. i can see why people get on the defense when there suit or gun is called OP because they don't want to get nerfed but this leads them to not admit that what they are running may be out of balance. if there is a problem with something i run than i have no shame admiting it to help the discussion of balance. my burst HMG is broke and i admit that my scramber rifle on my amarr assault my be to powerful. but please save the bullS1t by even trying to say the scout is not easymode out of fear that your suit might need to be balanced in line.
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Vesta Opalus
Kang Lo Holding
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want.
This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1486
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:59:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:] a corp that spams heavys and logis in PC will get stomped by any skilled intelligent opponent with slayer scouts.
+1
Cuse knows what he's talking about. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1486
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:01:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want. This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones.
You are, of course, correct about scouts evading scanning, and he was wrong about the Gallogi scanning them all.
That said, I would agree with Joel to the extent he was referring to the shimmer. |
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CUSE TOWN333
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:08:00 -
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i have to look at when i used to play clan matches in BF3. you can put a silencer on your gun to make you not show up on the mini map when fireing which is a big advantage. but along with that comes drawbacks like less damage and bullet drop. being invisible on the mini map and cloaked while still deliverying the same damage as a assault or logi suit is out of balance. speed small hitbox and strafeing and high regen is = to higher HP so you can't say haveing lower HP than a assault or logi is a drawback of a scout.
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Vesta Opalus
Kang Lo Holding
28
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:09:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:
You are, of course, correct about scouts evading scanning, and he was wrong about the Gallogi scanning them all.
That said, I would agree with Joel to the extent he was referring to the shimmer.
The shimmer is one of the worst balance issues with the cloak, its so incredibly inconsistent that I can't even intelligently comment on that part of the cloak.
Just yesterday I saw a cloaked scout standing dead still against a building 60-70 meters away by his outline and zapped him with my bolt pistol.
Other times I will be trying to visually track a scout running full speed and find it very difficult even if I dont fire my weapon at all and they are only 10-20 meters away.
Its impossible to balance around this kind of inconsistent mechanic, its like if there were rifles in the game that randomly were 10 times better than they are normally, based on largely arbitrary lighting and background colors of whatever is facing you. Cloaks are completely absurd right now and its a balance nightmare, both for the cloaker and the guys trying to see them (mostly for the latter  ). |
Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:15:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:i hope you get banned you are seriously annoying and no one likes you. i hope i do too, so i don't have to deal with kids whose balls havent dropped on a FPS forum
dont talk about yourself like that im pretty sure your lady balls will drop soon.
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
Public.Disorder.
295
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote: The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Of course that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing. I play a lot of PCs against all of the top teams. Scouts absolutely do have a place on the field in PCs. Particularly the outside points, but also in the city. Sure the enclosed spaces are full of logis and heavies, but to suggest that PC is "all about minlogi and sentinel combo" is simply wrong....as scouts, tanks, ADSs and even commandos have important roles to play. PC dropsuits are actually as diverse as they have ever been. No suit dominates....and please don't suggest that we don't know what we're doing as that conversation won't end well for you. The thing that makes the scout dominate in pubs (and be able to play a very important role in PC) is their speed, the cloak and a lack of EWAR counter often combined with high alpha of a shotgun.
Scouts suits are the most self-sufficient frames and perform admirably in any "every man for himself" environment (i.e. most pub matches). In PC matches (or against any organized squad), they are substantially more balanced. Some tweaks to EWAR (perhaps a modest increase in the opportunity cost of remaining invisible from a profile standpoint) may be in order, but balancing a squad/team based game solely around how suits perform in a lone wolf role isn't optimal.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1381
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:28:00 -
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i see a scout as more of a ninja sneak in to an objective hack the CRU and assassination of a couple key targets. not a full blown front line slayer of all suits.
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3321
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Posted - 2014.09.09 19:59:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want. This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones.
If you're not worried about ****** scouts, then your problem is null.
Most scouts of today are terribad. Not only that, but it is difficult to dodge a proto Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused without the cloak (I don't count it because it's an active equipment, not passive). And even if you DON'T pick them up, it'll tell you that there's an error around and (I hope) you'd be smart enough to know that's a heavily dampened scout.
I detect plenty of scouts just because most are terrible and refuse to use enough dampeners.
Are you suggesting to bring the old focused back? The one with, what was it, 15dB? Lol no. |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3321
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:01:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy. Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the minority of the other uses speed and ewar. The majority are tanked up shotgun newbs. Seems balanced. Fixed.
I'd agree awhile back, but I'm starting to see less and less tanked scouts. Only ones I see are cal scouts with 300 shields and 200 armor, but that's like once every 20 or so matches. |
Elaina Everdark
Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:42:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:They aren't OP. Powerful in the right hands? Hell yes, but so is EVERYTHING ELSE (Suit-wise).
I've seen Kalante Schiffer go tear-assing through ambush with a Gal Assault and Breach AR
I've seen God Hates Lags go and shred people with his Minmatar Heavy and Boundless HMG
I've seen Sgt. Kirk go and pub stomp in his Commando GK.0 and Plasma Cannon
I've personally gone and tore things up with a Min Scout and Flaylocks.
Stop Complaining. If you keep getting killed by Remotes, Don't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Adapt and Overcome, instead of whining to the forums about how you can't cope with other people taking advantage of your lack of squadplay and situational awareness.
And the thing about scouts is that they were really bad before they were good, so a lot of people who played scout back then picked up some really good habits/skills, because they were competitive with the weakest suit in the game, and now that it isn't the weakest, they're kicking face.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling,
but rising every time we fall"
~Confucius
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
444
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Posted - 2014.09.09 21:37:00 -
[89] - Quote
Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3323
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:21:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it.
Agree on the logi part.
Other than that, I just see it as QQ. |
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
383
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:48:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. Agree on the logi part. Other than that, I just see it as QQ.
With the introduction of all the other racial scouts I wondered why it has 2 equipment slots. Right now I run a cloak and uplinks on it and consistantly get 1500+ wp per match. No joke. That second equipment slot makes the scout too strong imho. When complaining about EWAR, that's kind of what the scout suit is for.
Comparing my Cal assault and Cal scout I think CCP should:
- Remove the scout's extra equipment slot
- Swap their shield regen values
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3336
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Posted - 2014.09.10 02:12:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jack 3enimble wrote:Joel II X wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. Agree on the logi part. Other than that, I just see it as QQ. With the introduction of all the other racial scouts I wondered why it has 2 equipment slots. Right now I run a cloak and uplinks on it and consistantly get 1500+ wp per match. No joke. That second equipment slot makes the scout too strong imho. When complaining about EWAR, that's kind of what the scout suit is for. Comparing my Cal assault and Cal scout I think CCP should: - Remove the scout's extra equipment slot - Swap their shield regen values
The two equipment slots was given because plenty of people cried for it. "Bu- but if we only have one equipment, how will we use a cloak AND whatever we currently use?"
I think I wanted two equipment slots, too back then, but I regret that decision. Scouts should go back to one and lose the extra CPU/PG. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
914
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Posted - 2014.09.10 02:14:00 -
[93] - Quote
Joel II X wrote:
I think I wanted two equipment slots, too back then, but I regret that decision. Scouts should go back to one and lose the extra CPU/PG.
10/10
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Egonz4
DARKSTAR ARMY
435
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Posted - 2014.09.10 02:26:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion. It's true that scouts have every single statistic better than all the other frames except HP. And mediums have more slots.
That's the only goddamn thing they lack. They even have as high of damage potential as a heavy because of REs.
You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
Obviously if you mix and match the races it's a different story. Of course a minmatar will have worse stats than the others, etc. But it becomes clear when you look at the same race of scout vs that race's assault or heavy. Even though caldari scout has slightly worse shield depleted recharge than sentinel, it has much better shield recharge rate.
All the medium's shield regen is pathetic and worse than a heavy I mean WTF reason could there be for that? Lack of attention from CCP that's what.
Scouts are not balanced tight now but.....re's can be used by any suit...HP is everything in this game...with that said...I this k they shoulhave the worst precision In The game and the worst scan profile..... So in order to be affective they have to fit lots of profile dapeners and precision enhancers...thus taking away shield tanking....and balancing their sneak attacks
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1388
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Posted - 2014.09.10 03:14:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:Joel II X wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. Agree on the logi part. Other than that, I just see it as QQ. With the introduction of all the other racial scouts I wondered why it has 2 equipment slots. Right now I run a cloak and uplinks on it and consistantly get 1500+ wp per match. No joke. That second equipment slot makes the scout too strong imho. When complaining about EWAR, that's kind of what the scout suit is for. Comparing my Cal assault and Cal scout I think CCP should: - Remove the scout's extra equipment slot - Swap their shield regen values The two equipment slots was given because plenty of people cried for it. "Bu- but if we only have one equipment, how will we use a cloak AND whatever we currently use?" I think I wanted two equipment slots, too back then, but I regret that decision. Scouts should go back to one and lose the extra CPU/PG. scouts should go back to one EQ slot take the cloak out the game and make it so scouts can't have high HP fake assault scouts nuff said. they need to stop steping on the assault logis role. scoutshould be EWAR, speed, regen thats it point blank.
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