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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:46:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion. they do not respect the game they do not respect the enemy they want to play Mario
9/10 scouts are <18
They just want to run around with legit hacks and boast that they are great and have it easy.
There are maybe 30 actual great scouts left in the game I reckon.
How hard a scout is to run is purely relative to how much of a nub someone is. The only people who think its hard mode have to be sht, seriously.
I have seen the crappest players who are on the verge of quitting go scout and bam, they do great.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3313
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:54:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion.
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You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
[...] So, is it your opinion, or is it a fact? Can't be both.
Anywho, our stats aren't that much better than any other suits'.
What we have, EWAR, can be played on mediums and heavies, too, just don't expect it to be as good as a scout's.
REs can be used on any suit.
You stated the fact that we have less health, but did you also take into account the Sentinel resistances bonus? They can survive an RE attack, you know?
We're not much faster than a medium frame of the same race. No, really! It's true!
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
Another one is the HMG. Did you know that weapon tears people to pieces? Scouts even more so, no matter how much they tank. So, I believe this a rock, paper, scissors type of counter.
Anyways, got too lazy to keep proving you why scouts aren't as OP as you thought they were.
With love, A scout/heavy/assault (but I really love playing as a scout) |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Kin Cat wrote:People seem to dislike that I speak the truth. Stop insulting me just because you dislike my opinion.
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You people are seriously childish. If you cannot recognize what I'm saying as fact then you are warped and not listening to reason.
[...] So, is it your opinion, or is it a fact? Can't be both. Anywho, our stats aren't that much better than any other suits'. What we have, EWAR, can be played on mediums and heavies, too, just don't expect it to be as good as a scout's. REs can be used on any suit. You stated the fact that we have less health, but did you also take into account the Sentinel resistances bonus? They can survive an RE attack, you know? We're not much faster than a medium frame of the same race. No, really! It's true! Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker! I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter. Another one is the HMG. Did you know that weapon tears people to pieces? Scouts even more so, no matter how much they tank. So, I believe this a rock, paper, scissors type of counter. Anyways, got too lazy to keep proving you why scouts aren't as OP as you thought they were. With love, A scout/heavy/assault (but I really love playing as a scout)
My opinion is fact, aye.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3313
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:00:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy. Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the other has speed and ewar.
Seems balanced. |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
5525
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:02:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy. Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the minority of the other uses speed and ewar. The majority are tanked up shotgun newbs. Seems balanced.
Fixed.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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Newbs With Bewbs
xx The Fairies xx
68
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:02:00 -
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Scouts are only slightly OP, I really don't understand what the reasoning behind them having 2 equipment slots was.
The thing that makes them OP is the endless REs they have (nanohive)
With one equipment slot scouts would be fine. Or reduce RE splash damage maybe?
I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
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Newbs With Bewbs
xx The Fairies xx
68
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:03:00 -
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Also two Side-arms is just stupid. Go run your hmg.
I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
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Nestil
uptown456
138
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:26:00 -
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maybe we just got gud back at the time, when we were running in a 200 ehp suit, while you went the uber elite cal logi/tac ar combo?! btw the most isk efficient way to play this game is a heavy (even mlt heavies are great with a hmg) and you even have to invest less sp too.... |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3952
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:32:00 -
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Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
5528
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
This is general discussion.
Reported for reporting based on butthurt.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3952
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:41:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog. This is general discussion. Reported for reporting based on butthurt. Just tired of the same old nonconstructive dialog. There are real problems and real solutions and no one is getting anywhere with spamming troll posts.
All the trolls succeed in doing is making everyone get defensive and becoming more entrenched than creatively and collaboratively looking for solutions.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo
380
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:08:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old. That must be why you never see squads of sentinels and minlogis in PC
This. The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing.
A little side note. I do think that the 2nd equipment slot could be removed from the scout as the multiple equipment slot loadout is reserved for the logi.
On my main character, I have proto:
Cal logi Cal assault Cal sentinel Cal scout
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
96
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:30:00 -
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that kind of narrow minded thinking about Min Logi being the only good logi is why I don't take PC seriously
Quote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog.
now now! i wish you scouts wouldn't be so afraid of a logical debate around your dropsuit!
fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... leads to stupidity, apparently. |
TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
5533
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:34:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:that kind of narrow minded thinking about Min Logi being the only good logi is why I don't take PC seriously Quote:Reporting OP for spam. Tired of the same threads over and over, with no constructive dialog. now now! i wish you scouts wouldn't be so afraid of a logical debate around your dropsuit! fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... leads to stupidity, apparently.
Talk to my alt because the main ain't listening!.
Aye, that's why I don't like PC because I have to run brick out crap that I don't want to.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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Kin Cat
Another Clone in the Wall
96
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:35:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:i hope you get banned you are seriously annoying and no one likes you.
i hope i do too, so i don't have to deal with kids whose balls havent dropped on a FPS forum |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1485
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:45:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote: The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing.
I play a lot of PCs against all of the top teams. Scouts absolutely do have a place on the field in PCs. Particularly the outside points, but also in the city.
Sure the enclosed spaces are full of logis and heavies, but to suggest that PC is "all about minlogi and sentinel combo" is simply wrong....as scouts, tanks, ADSs and even commandos have important roles to play.
PC dropsuits are actually as diverse as they have ever been. No suit dominates. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:56:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Scouts refuse to admit that they have the best suit for every role in the game and its getting old. That must be why you never see squads of sentinels and minlogis in PC This. The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Ofcourse that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing. A little side note. I do think that the 2nd equipment slot could be removed from the scout as the multiple equipment slot loadout is reserved for the logi. On my main character, I have proto: Cal logi Cal assault Cal sentinel Cal scout a corp that spams heavys and logis in PC will get stomped by any skilled intelligent opponent with slayer scouts. but i don't like calling anything OP cause i am not a fan of seeing nerfs every patch. i can see why people get on the defense when there suit or gun is called OP because they don't want to get nerfed but this leads them to not admit that what they are running may be out of balance. if there is a problem with something i run than i have no shame admiting it to help the discussion of balance. my burst HMG is broke and i admit that my scramber rifle on my amarr assault my be to powerful. but please save the bullS1t by even trying to say the scout is not easymode out of fear that your suit might need to be balanced in line.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Vesta Opalus
Kang Lo Holding
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want.
This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1486
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:59:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:] a corp that spams heavys and logis in PC will get stomped by any skilled intelligent opponent with slayer scouts.
+1
Cuse knows what he's talking about. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1486
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:01:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want. This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones.
You are, of course, correct about scouts evading scanning, and he was wrong about the Gallogi scanning them all.
That said, I would agree with Joel to the extent he was referring to the shimmer. |
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:08:00 -
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i have to look at when i used to play clan matches in BF3. you can put a silencer on your gun to make you not show up on the mini map when fireing which is a big advantage. but along with that comes drawbacks like less damage and bullet drop. being invisible on the mini map and cloaked while still deliverying the same damage as a assault or logi suit is out of balance. speed small hitbox and strafeing and high regen is = to higher HP so you can't say haveing lower HP than a assault or logi is a drawback of a scout.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Vesta Opalus
Kang Lo Holding
28
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:09:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:
You are, of course, correct about scouts evading scanning, and he was wrong about the Gallogi scanning them all.
That said, I would agree with Joel to the extent he was referring to the shimmer.
The shimmer is one of the worst balance issues with the cloak, its so incredibly inconsistent that I can't even intelligently comment on that part of the cloak.
Just yesterday I saw a cloaked scout standing dead still against a building 60-70 meters away by his outline and zapped him with my bolt pistol.
Other times I will be trying to visually track a scout running full speed and find it very difficult even if I dont fire my weapon at all and they are only 10-20 meters away.
Its impossible to balance around this kind of inconsistent mechanic, its like if there were rifles in the game that randomly were 10 times better than they are normally, based on largely arbitrary lighting and background colors of whatever is facing you. Cloaks are completely absurd right now and its a balance nightmare, both for the cloaker and the guys trying to see them (mostly for the latter ). |
Death Shadow117
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
415
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:15:00 -
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Kin Cat wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:i hope you get banned you are seriously annoying and no one likes you. i hope i do too, so i don't have to deal with kids whose balls havent dropped on a FPS forum dont talk about yourself like that im pretty sure your lady balls will drop soon.
Remove marijuana from blocked words list.
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
295
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:16:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote: The people that QQ about scouts all day long saying they dominate the game don't play PC. Scouts dominate pubs, in PC it's all about the minlogi and sentinel combo. Of course that's when you're facing corps in PC that actually know what they're doing. I play a lot of PCs against all of the top teams. Scouts absolutely do have a place on the field in PCs. Particularly the outside points, but also in the city. Sure the enclosed spaces are full of logis and heavies, but to suggest that PC is "all about minlogi and sentinel combo" is simply wrong....as scouts, tanks, ADSs and even commandos have important roles to play. PC dropsuits are actually as diverse as they have ever been. No suit dominates....and please don't suggest that we don't know what we're doing as that conversation won't end well for you. The thing that makes the scout dominate in pubs (and be able to play a very important role in PC) is their speed, the cloak and a lack of EWAR counter often combined with high alpha of a shotgun.
Scouts suits are the most self-sufficient frames and perform admirably in any "every man for himself" environment (i.e. most pub matches). In PC matches (or against any organized squad), they are substantially more balanced. Some tweaks to EWAR (perhaps a modest increase in the opportunity cost of remaining invisible from a profile standpoint) may be in order, but balancing a squad/team based game solely around how suits perform in a lone wolf role isn't optimal.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1381
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:28:00 -
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i see a scout as more of a ninja sneak in to an objective hack the CRU and assassination of a couple key targets. not a full blown front line slayer of all suits.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3321
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Posted - 2014.09.09 19:59:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Joel II X wrote:
Did you know cloaks DON'T make you invisible? Shocker!
I can scan scouts with my Gallogi, so there's a counter.
There is no scanning in the game, passive or active, that can scan a properly fitted scout. Any scout, pick whichever one you want. This is a mathematical fact of how dampening and precision work in Dust, and Im surprised people continue to insist that scanning will detect scouts. It will detect ****** scouts. I, for one, am not worried about ****** scouts. I'm worried about the smart ones. If you're not worried about ****** scouts, then your problem is null.
Most scouts of today are terribad. Not only that, but it is difficult to dodge a proto Gallogi with a Duvolle Focused without the cloak (I don't count it because it's an active equipment, not passive). And even if you DON'T pick them up, it'll tell you that there's an error around and (I hope) you'd be smart enough to know that's a heavily dampened scout.
I detect plenty of scouts just because most are terrible and refuse to use enough dampeners.
Are you suggesting to bring the old focused back? The one with, what was it, 15dB? Lol no. |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3321
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:01:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Joel II X wrote:shaman oga wrote:I never felt min scouts as problem, they are the only balanced scout because the lack of EW bonus.
But i have all the classes in different char, i must agree, when something goes wrong the directions are 2 scout or heavy. Because they're supposed to be the two opposite sides of an extreme according to a medium frame? One side has the health and ++ber DPS while the minority of the other uses speed and ewar. The majority are tanked up shotgun newbs. Seems balanced. Fixed. I'd agree awhile back, but I'm starting to see less and less tanked scouts. Only ones I see are cal scouts with 300 shields and 200 armor, but that's like once every 20 or so matches. |
Elaina Everdark
Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:42:00 -
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Jace Kaisar wrote:They aren't OP. Powerful in the right hands? Hell yes, but so is EVERYTHING ELSE (Suit-wise).
I've seen Kalante Schiffer go tear-assing through ambush with a Gal Assault and Breach AR
I've seen God Hates Lags go and shred people with his Minmatar Heavy and Boundless HMG
I've seen Sgt. Kirk go and pub stomp in his Commando GK.0 and Plasma Cannon
I've personally gone and tore things up with a Min Scout and Flaylocks.
Stop Complaining. If you keep getting killed by Remotes, Don't bunch up or Camp the same spot. Keep getting shotgunned? Try sticking with your squad and putting your back to your logi. Nova Knifed? Have that logi run a mass driver. Spam a few shots if he see's shimmer, it keeps the mosquito's at bay.
Adapt and Overcome, instead of whining to the forums about how you can't cope with other people taking advantage of your lack of squadplay and situational awareness. And the thing about scouts is that they were really bad before they were good, so a lot of people who played scout back then picked up some really good habits/skills, because they were competitive with the weakest suit in the game, and now that it isn't the weakest, they're kicking face.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling,
but rising every time we fall"
~Confucius
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
444
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Posted - 2014.09.09 21:37:00 -
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Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. |
Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3323
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:21:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Commando > a bucket of horse manure > scout
The only change I would potentially make to scouts is to drop their equipment slots to 1, so the logi has a reason to avoid using it. Agree on the logi part.
Other than that, I just see it as QQ. |
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