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Shooter Somewhere
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:24:00 -
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After all the hot fixes. Why would they be changing so much about the game and not offer a final respect they did say after the hotfixes were done they were not changing anything else about this soon to be COD514.
Why would they give you a respect in the middle just to **** up what you speced into just to change that and have you begging for a new one?
If for some magical reason they don't offer a final respect for the game after all this is done I among most will definitely be calling sony 
HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3292
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:26:00 -
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The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
929
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it.
Well said, well said indeed. |
Cassa-Nova
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
36
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:29:00 -
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Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good. |
CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1492
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:29:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it.
While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase.
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2668
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:29:00 -
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When the hotfixes and patches stop coming, pack it in, the servers will be coming down shortly thereafter.
This is the tweak that doesn't end, yes it goes on and on my friend... Someone just started tweaking it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue fixing it forever just because this is the tweak that doesn't end... |
Shooter Somewhere
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:33:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it. While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase.
Oh no they are worthless trash and this guy does not even play dust. He is an eve guy. They specifically said After all hotfixes they will only be fixes small bugs and patches here and there (showing me he does not play at all)
He is just probably a guy on eve all day that used his even power to win a spot in the election so that win legion comes out he can have influence of that game. Very little dust time on his end.
Shows you he is actually the one who does not know what the **** he is talking about.
HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3293
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:38:00 -
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Cassa-Nova wrote:Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good.
This is hilarious. Also wrong. I've been here long enough to see a dozen different games proclaimed as being when everyone would leave and DUST would die. And yet we have more people playing DUST now than ever before.
CommanderBolt wrote:While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase.
This is a topic most people should've gotten through their heads long ago. I kinda miss when posting respec threads got you a ban, but that's just me.
It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job is primarily to convey useful feedback to CCP, not to present information to the playerbase (that's CCP's job). I do try to correct some horribly backwards views about the game, but that's me being me as a player more than anything else.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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SoTa Senpai
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:38:00 -
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Shooter Somewhere wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it. While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase. Oh no they are worthless trash and this guy does not even play dust. He is an eve guy. They specifically said After all hotfixes they will only be fixes small bugs and patches here and there (showing me he does not play at all) He is just probably a guy on eve all day that used his even power to win a spot in the election so that win legion comes out he can have influence of that game. Very little dust time on his end. Shows you he is actually the one who does not know what the **** he is talking about.
How is it he does not know what is talking about when all he said was, literally, was "The game will always be changing, deal with it."
Let me do the CPM bashing, you just make them look smart.
As for the topic, who the hell is saying the game isn't going to still be getting updates?? That's just random rumors. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3293
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:41:00 -
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Shooter Somewhere wrote:He is just probably a guy on eve all day that used his even power to win a spot in the election so that win legion comes out he can have influence of that game. Very little dust time on his end.
Actually, I really only use EVE right now to manage DUST channels for my alliance. I haven't undocked in... a long time. My personal view that I've professed in person in front of Goons, and not gotten punched for, is that DUST is a better game than EVE has ever been.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
929
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:44:00 -
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LOL @ all the respec whiners getting butt hurt cause they got told how it is.
NEW EDEN GONNA NEW EDEN |
CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1492
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:44:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Cassa-Nova wrote:Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good. This is hilarious. Also wrong. I've been here long enough to see a dozen different games proclaimed as being when everyone would leave and DUST would die. And yet we have more people playing DUST now than ever before. CommanderBolt wrote:While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase. This is a topic most people should've gotten through their heads long ago. I kinda miss when posting respec threads got you a ban, but that's just me. It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around. (Telling players stuff is CCP's job. My job is to tell them to do that job better.) I do try to correct some horribly backwards views about the game, but that's me being me as a player more than anything else.
Personally I used to play EVE so I am quite used to the notion of 'choices that matter'.
It may not be ~your~ player-base but we ARE your community. Are you not a representative of both us and in a manner of speaking, a representative of CCP?
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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SoTa Senpai
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:47:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Cassa-Nova wrote:Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good. This is hilarious. Also wrong. I've been here long enough to see a dozen different games proclaimed as being when everyone would leave and DUST would die. And yet we have more people playing DUST now than ever before. CommanderBolt wrote:While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase. This is a topic most people should've gotten through their heads long ago. I kinda miss when posting respec threads got you a ban, but that's just me. It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around. (Telling players stuff is CCP's job. My job is to tell them to do that job better.) I do try to correct some horribly backwards views about the game, but that's me being me as a player more than anything else. Personally I used to play EVE so I am quite used to the notion of 'choices that matter'. It may not be ~your~ player-base but we ARE your community. Are you not a representative of both us and in a manner of speaking, a representative of CCP?
CPM does not represent CCP - they only represent the community to CCP. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
930
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:51:00 -
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SoTa Senpai wrote:
CPM does not represent CCP - they only represent the community to CCP.
You used too many letters for the people that can not even grasp that games change and choices matter.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3295
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:52:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Personally I used to play EVE so I am quite used to the notion of 'choices that matter'.
Your choices certainly won't matter more with a respec every hotfix.
CommanderBolt wrote:It may not be ~your~ player-base but we ARE your community. Are you not a representative of both us and in a manner of speaking, a representative of CCP?
SoTa Senpai wrote:CPM does not represent CCP - they only represent the community to CCP.
Very much this.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9283
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:52:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Cassa-Nova wrote:Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good. This is hilarious. Also wrong. I've been here long enough to see a dozen different games proclaimed as being when everyone would leave and DUST would die. And yet we have more people playing DUST now than ever before. CommanderBolt wrote:While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase. This is a topic most people should've gotten through their heads long ago. I kinda miss when posting respec threads got you a ban, but that's just me. It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around. (Telling players stuff is CCP's job. My job is to tell them to do that job better.) I do try to correct some horribly backwards views about the game, but that's me being me as a player more than anything else. Personally I used to play EVE so I am quite used to the notion of 'choices that matter'. It may not be ~your~ player-base but we ARE your community. Are you not a representative of both us and in a manner of speaking, a representative of CCP?
No, he's not a representative of CCP. Of the Dust community and ultimately that of Legion, yes he is, but he is definitely NOT a representative of CCP. That company has its own set of representatives for that purpose. Also, we are not the CPM's player base. We are CCP's player base.
I'm also an Eve Online player since 2008 but I've also been playing Dust since Closed Beta and still do.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1493
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:53:00 -
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SoTa Senpai wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Cassa-Nova wrote:Why does it even matter? Destiny will kill this game by tommorow, after today over 50% of the pop will disappear for good. This is hilarious. Also wrong. I've been here long enough to see a dozen different games proclaimed as being when everyone would leave and DUST would die. And yet we have more people playing DUST now than ever before. CommanderBolt wrote:While I appreciate your position on this subject, being on the CPM I would have thought that you would be a little more tactful with the way you word things to your community / playerbase. This is a topic most people should've gotten through their heads long ago. I kinda miss when posting respec threads got you a ban, but that's just me. It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around. (Telling players stuff is CCP's job. My job is to tell them to do that job better.) I do try to correct some horribly backwards views about the game, but that's me being me as a player more than anything else. Personally I used to play EVE so I am quite used to the notion of 'choices that matter'. It may not be ~your~ player-base but we ARE your community. Are you not a representative of both us and in a manner of speaking, a representative of CCP? CPM does not represent CCP - they only represent the community to CCP.
Ok, well that's fair enough then.
I would just like to convey a helpful attitude towards people on the forums, yea a lot of us have been around for ages but there are always users that are new, they could probably do with a little more explanation at times. Oh well no love lost.
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2670
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:My personal view that I've professed in person in front of Goons, and not gotten punched for, is that DUST is a better game than EVE has ever been.
Mostly because we cannot physically put our hands on him to throttle him. Plus laws against that kind of thing.
On a more serious note:
Hold still while I collect your "I hate the CPM" tears. Screaming rants with no thought and little logic are my absolute favorite.
On a less serious note:
Good work Soraya, the ISK is in the mail. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2897
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:The problem with this sort of mentality, is the belief that the hotfixes are meant to end. This is the recurring problem with the people crying over respecs every patch. You guys don't even understand what's going on.
The game will always be changing.
Deal with it.
Soraya hits the nail on the head with this post... though I'm not certain in the way he intended 
You see, respecs would allow players to alter their skills to be better in line with the current meta. For some players, yes, that means speccing into the fitting most likely to wrack up a high K/D. For others, it's having the most efficient logi fit, durable sentinel, or sneaky scout...
The point is, for a brief moment, the player (that's you and I) will have what we desire most. That's BAD for CCP's bottom dollar. Players who "win" at Dust 514 will leave and with them goes CCP's income.
So what does CCP do? They move our target by manipulating the metagame. What can't "win" when the new FotM changes constantly. I've heard the term "perfectly unbalanced" before and I think it aptly applies here.
TL;DR - We won't get respecs because that will cost CCP money. When CCP can charge us for the ability to respec then we can respec every day if we want.
This is about money. That's it. Not player retention or "Respecs r hard u guyz".
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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SoTa Senpai
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:57:00 -
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I have no problem taking the one minute to post the response, nor do post 'vet' posters.
I can assure you, the guy you are all disliking around here are not vet posters, just trolls who think posting enough makes them vets. |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2670
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:59:00 -
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SoTa Senpai wrote:I have no problem taking the one minute to post the response, nor do post 'vet' posters.
I can assure you, the guy you are all disliking around here are not vet posters, just trolls who think posting enough makes them vets.
this is a convoluted distinction. -1 for not couching the intelligentsia commentary in the proper vernacular understood by the local "belligerentsia." |
SoTa Senpai
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:02:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:SoTa Senpai wrote:I have no problem taking the one minute to post the response, nor do post 'vet' posters.
I can assure you, the guy you are all disliking around here are not vet posters, just trolls who think posting enough makes them vets. this is a convoluted distinction. -1 for not couching the intelligentsia commentary in the proper vernacular understood by the local "belligerentsia."
Quote:I have no problem takin tha one minute ta post tha response, nor do post 'vet' posters.
I can assure you, tha muthafucka yo ass be all dislikin round here is not vet posters, just trolls whoz ass be thinkin postin enough make dem vets.
How's that? |
BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
213
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:02:00 -
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Shooter Somewhere wrote:After all the hot fixes. Why would they be changing so much about the game and not offer a final respect they did say after the hotfixes were done they were not changing anything else about this soon to be COD514. Why would they give you a respect in the middle just to **** up what you speced into just to change that and have you begging for a new one? If for some magical reason they don't offer a final respect for the game after all this is done I among most will definitely be calling sony
Here's whats going to happen. After echo they'll check if anything needs to be changed and if one category such as the dropsuit command doesn't need a change they'll give us a respec and so on If this happens I could literally see the future. However, If they don't give us a respec then that's sad
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2898
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:06:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around.
Isn't one of the "CPM Operation and Function" points that CPM should bring up pain points to CCP? Like for example, the extremely high desire for respecs since hotfixes keep updating our metagame.
Soraya Xel wrote:Telling players stuff is CCP's job.
Funny you say that... the majority of what I learn about the future and state of Dust 514 is from CPM. Which is fine, in my book, but not the way it is supposed to work.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2671
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:10:00 -
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SoTa Senpai wrote:
How's that?
More than three syllables were involved. I thought it was obvious. |
SoTa Senpai
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:It's not my playerbase, it's CCP's playerbase. I am a member of said playerbase. My job as CPM is primarily to convey useful feedback from players to CCP, not the other way around. Isn't one of the "CPM Operation and Function" points that CPM should bring up pain points to CCP? Like for example, the extremely high desire for respecs since hotfixes keep updating our metagame. Soraya Xel wrote:Telling players stuff is CCP's job. Funny you say that... the majority of what I learn about the future and state of Dust 514 is from CPM. Which is fine, in my book, but not the way it is supposed to work.
Hot fixes have been in high demand since closed beta, this is not news. And compared to last year around Uprising, the tears for respec is very low.
And you're right, CCP sucks at sharing information. But I doubt they themselves are sure what to do with Legion hanging around. |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3297
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:13:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Mostly because we cannot physically put our hands on him to throttle him. Plus laws against that kind of thing.
Dex could've. He was there.
Ripley Riley wrote:This is about money. That's it. Not player retention or "Respecs r hard 2 code u guyz".
I actually don't believe marketing plays into this decision at all. The same guys developing your hotfixes would be the same guys who would have to stop doing so to go refund your SP.
Ripley Riley wrote:Funny you say that... the majority of what I learn about the future and state of Dust 514 is from CPM. Which is fine, in my book, but not the way it is supposed to work.
I agree. This is not how it is supposed to work. It's a problem.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
209
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:14:00 -
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i sometimes wonder if ccp should just get rid of the the skill tree altogether and just let isk dictate what you can and cant use
lets just burn this motherfucker down
pew pew goes my scram rifle zap zap goes my scram pistol
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:17:00 -
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SoTa Senpai wrote:
And you're right, CCP sucks at sharing information. But I doubt they themselves are sure what to do with Legion hanging around.
I wouldn't get my hopes up either. Dust was supposedly greenlit and look how it turned out. Whatever information they do release always causes hype which leads to feelings of disappointment and regret. Like that girl with the std who knows she has it but continues to screw everyone in more ways than one.
Avatar - PirateKing - Hokage - The guy who captured them all - Your daddy
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Outie 500
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:31:00 -
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LMAO!
CPM doing damage control.
In other news 391 "new clones" where created in the last hour. Just wait for the farming patch to roll through. That number will drop to ZERO! Anyone who ever wanted to play dust has come and gone!
"Dust was NEVER a good game" and never will be! Why you ask? LACK OF CONTENT! Same ol same ol match after match.
I quit a month ago due to EVERYTHING being changed. Just makes me angry! My choices don't mean squat! Ill spend my money where I get what I paid for and not have it taken away EVERY PATCH.
As for players who are actually still playing. You can look at the "BPO thread". 700 total (generous) visit the forums! If Dust had such a HUGE player base like everyone says, fanfest 2013 would have gone much different!
I AM a Vet who ALWAYS enjoyed the forums more then the game! Where else can you laugh and make fun of other peoples pain?
You kiddies have fun! Ill sit back and watch.
As for the "respec", they can keep it! I get them ANYTIME I WANT in Defiance. |
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