Cal scouts have the same passive dampening skills as a gal scout, and all they need to do is fit a cloak and maybe a dampener to hide from mediums/ heavies.

The issue with scouts having such high regeneration rate is that it makes it much easier to run as assaults. It distorts the role of the suit, i.e. "Why should I run a Caldari assault with shield re-chargers when my scout can get the same amount of regen without sacrificing tank?" Scouts shouldn't have enough HP to facilitate a such high regeneration rates.

I'm fine if scouts want to tank their suits, however I do not like the fact that it allows scouts to work as well as assaults. If either a shield recharge nerf was put into place, or a scout efficiency to E-war modules so you HAVE to fit E-war modules to get the benefit rather than being passively able to see/(not be seen by) other suits.

What I will say is that it is accepted by many players, if not a majority, that shield tanking is far inferior to armor tanking at this point in time. I will also say this is the first, at least the first I can remember, of anyone complaining that Cal scout regen is a significant issue, so I will pay more attention to it.

Lastly, I have heard Rattati discuss changing EWAR bonuses such that you would need to equip the mods to get the bonus instead of having any passive bonus from having skills in EWAR. I think this would be a more concise fix to many scout issues, whether it be shield or armor tanking.

I made a thread about it in features and discussions before charlie I think. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166555 it was mostly brushed off however.


^But this would probably be the best solution...

The only thing that needs to be done about scouts is that gal scouts are unscanable

SRs are SUPPOSED to be Alpha damage weapons, but have you ever seen a standard SRs stats?

They are laughable.

hence why i put alpha damage as a weakness

let us not forget that scouts had as much HP as assaults before they were buffed and that HP stacking is still prevalent on scouts. for example now that caldari has no precision bonus but still has innate range and dampening, he can stack shield modules on his high slots.

honestly people i am not the one complaining here. you are. i am just making logical points and you have yet to refute them. try not letting your emotions get in the way of reasoning

sniper rifles? i said shotguns and mlt ones not standard sniper rifles.

I agree that scouts shouldn't assault better than an assault. And while I have my Caldari skilled up to 4, I only used it a handful of times since I got it, and never since Charlie. Nor do I tank, so or use an assault suit, so I can't really compare it as directly as I would like to say that a Cal scout is a better assault than others.

What I will say is that it is accepted by many players, if not a majority, that shield tanking is far inferior to armor tanking at this point in time. I will also say this is the first, at least the first I can remember, of anyone complaining that Cal scout regen is a significant issue, so I will pay more attention to it.

Lastly, I have heard Rattati discuss changing EWAR bonuses such that you would need to equip the mods to get the bonus instead of having any passive bonus from having skills in EWAR. I think this would be a more concise fix to many scout issues, whether it be shield or armor tanking.

What I don't see is an across-the-board, all-powerful suit that the OP is trying to make scouts out to be. I would rather have real discussions about valid concerns like you raised than childish crying because a heavy is getting killed by a scout.

Scouts are also weak to sustained fire. Heck, most scouts don't have the HP to be dead before the fire can go on long enough to be called sustained...

Not to mention, you don't even NEED Alpha damage to kill a scout. I get killed by std SRs for Pete's sake. STANDARD!!!

Scouts die to being outnumbered A LOT. Also very convenient for you to leave that off your list. In fact, that is the best way to get them, because then it is more obvious. You can't kill someone after being cloaked or from a hiding spot in the middle of a bunch of reds without being killed immediately after a kill, sometimes before.

Being outranged is also something that kills scouts. Don't think so? Just use a CR when you see a shotgun scout, and back up while they are outside 10 m and see who dies first. They are also using a CR you say? Well unless you are also using a scout suit, you should have more HP. So the only reason someone would lose at range is if you are using a CQC weapon like an HMG or a shotgun, which is working as intended.

By reading your list, you seam to be a heavy, and merely trying to make your suit seem weak.

I am honestly quite tired of your lack of reason and completely biased nonsense.

Please stop wasting everyone's time until you are ready to have reasoned discussions and not simply present biased ideas masquerading as something legitimate.

This I agree. Scouts are relatively difficult to balance in relation to other classes and each other, but they are not the go-to class for winning any match. They are fast, but can't outrun a hail of bullets. They are stealthy, but their tank can't compete with that of other classes. They can recover quickly if they have to, but the recovery is delayed and doesn't kick in immediately which means they are vulnerable until you stop attacking them.

This could maybe count under not having much HP, but scouts are really weak to splash damage. And tall ledges....

I die from bloody jumping offf crap all the time so put that on the list haha

You guys make the "scout aren't OP" argument seem fine on the forums. Someone reading this would think they could kill a proto scout with a basic suit, no? Then you get in-game and realize just utterly ridiculous it is to watch scouts get hit head on with hmg's in range and survive?! Most of you spend more time attacking others post than you do proving scouts aren't OP?!

They aren't saying scouts are OP like the burst HMG?! Now that's a whole new tier of BS! They are saying scouts shouldn't be able to stack armor without loosing speed, dodge not one but multiple players round while taking out others head on, and beat every other fit in regen regardless to what mods you wear?! If they have all these new abilities why did they ever need the cloak? It's like pooring salt on a wound?! They saw me coming a mile away, can rep faster, strafe like crazy, and put out massive dmg so why does he need to be invisible again? Take the cloak, and we'll be closer to balance as the scouts have everything else at their disposal. Now before you bring your bash post stick tell me why they absolutely need the cloak?

yeah the scout QQ in this thread is ******* ridiculous. scouts are the most OP thing in this game right now. i should know i just got stomped in PC by like a full team of scouts.

Don't worry a mlt shotgun can kill my proto assault 1-2 shots.. MLT

Thats what you get for lerting him get that close

You guys make the "scout aren't OP" argument seem fine on the forums. Someone reading this would think they could kill a proto scout with a basic suit, no? Then you get in-game and realize just utterly ridiculous it is to watch scouts get hit head on with hmg's in range and survive?! Most of you spend more time attacking others post than you do proving scouts aren't OP?!