Passive scans are OP. But so is dampening + cloaks. Why cry foul on only a piece of the broken whole, unless your trying to gain something?

Passive scans are OP. But so is dampening + cloaks. Why cry foul on only a piece of the broken whole, unless your trying to gain something?

An absolutely broken and flawed mechanic that should not exist in any FPS.

Why?

1. People with Inherent Wall Hacks are considered CHEATERS in the FPS community.

2. Squad vision removes the need for active scanners in socket based game play, which is generally the focal point of any PC battle.

3. Active Scans notify the enemy when being scanned, Passives don't. I only bring this up because I like to know when someone has broken my dampened Assault suit.

4. Giving a highly mobile suit, like the scout, a motion sensor is just asking for trouble.

Solutions:

Short Term:
Take away the precession bonuses from scouts and give it to the commander role. A role focused more on Passive Slaying and therefore less mobile

Long Term:
Make passive scans more of "you have been tagged" rather then LOL wallhackz

Am I the only one who thinks...

Caldari Scout Bonus:

10% Scan Range per level

... is a bit TOO much?

3. Active Scans notify the enemy when being scanned, Passives don't. I only bring this up because I like to know when someone has broken my dampened Assault suit.

No one knows.
It is currently bugged at 3%.

This has been discussed before. At length.

According to Rattati, the fix is more difficult than they perhaps initially thought it might be.


If I am invisible, it only benefits me.

If I am able to broadcast the positions of enemies around me, it benefits my whole squad. Even heavies that have no EWAR skills. Suddenly, they are able to see undampened scouts and dampened medium frames with no sacrifice whatsoever, all the while wielding that Burst HMG.

Shared passives is a much bigger problem.

Personally I don't think passive scaning should be nerfed into the ground entirely, but it should be redone.

1) All Light and Medium Suits should be capable of avoiding all but prescision modules.
This is a simple one, medium suits should sacrifice 1 dampener to get under the majority of passive scans, dependent on the amount of prescision mods equipped.

proto damp with max passives gets a medium suit to 33.75 which is bellow caldari and mini scout passive scans.

Do only scouts have passive scan squad vision? Say I have 3 complex precision on my medium. Will my squad also see what I do?

No one knows.
It is currently bugged at 3%.

90 range is too much. The best active is only 100 with a 5 sec window and minute recharge

An absolutely broken and flawed mechanic that should not exist in any FPS.

Why?

1. People with Inherent Wall Hacks are considered CHEATERS in the FPS community.

2. Squad vision removes the need for active scanners in socket based game play, which is generally the focal point of any PC battle.

3. Active Scans notify the enemy when being scanned, Passives don't. I only bring this up because I like to know when someone has broken my dampened Assault suit.

4. Giving a highly mobile suit, like the scout, a motion sensor is just asking for trouble.

Solutions:

Short Term:
Take away the precession bonuses from scouts and give it to the commander role. A role focused more on Passive Slaying and therefore less mobile

Long Term:
Make passive scans more of "you have been tagged" rather then LOL wallhackz

Please remove Active Scanners, both handheld and vehicular ones, Scan Precision, Scan Profile, Profile Dampening, remove passive scans on all suits, and remove cloaks.

Personally I don't think passive scaning should be nerfed into the ground entirely, but it should be redone.

1) All Light and Medium Suits should be capable of avoiding all but prescision modules.
This is a simple one, medium suits should sacrifice 1 dampener to get under the majority of passive scans, dependent on the amount of prescision mods equipped.

2) Passive Scans should be changed to a sonar format.
Currently Passive Scans give the same data as Active, you can see exactly where they are, what direction they are facing and you can see them moving. I instead propose that passive scans provide 'blips' which don't come with directional indicators and only update once every 1,2,4 seconds for light medium and heavy suits respectively

3) Active Scanning should also be redone.
Active Scanning currently is equally broken, you ping once and you've got 10-15 seconds worth of data. This allows a logi to effectively multi-task, scan, rep, rez, repeat. The player can 10 seconds worth of potentially game changing intel for about 2 seconds worth of time where he can't fight back.

Instead I think active Scanning should require the Scanner to be constantly equipped, turning it into a kind of magic torch. You will only receive intel on the section the torch is shone on, but as soon as the enemy leaves the 'light' you loose their data.
This stops scannerina's since doing such a trick only results in you getting a wlrse version of passive scans.

It also puts the player at greater risk for his reward and stops the whole Scan, Rep, Rez, Repeat cycle. Scanning gets another layer of tactics.

When do you scan?
When dl you stop scanning?
Is better to track a single 'fast-moving' target or maintain intel on the main pack?

Just get rid of shared vision all together.

So what I'm gathering from this is:


Did I get that right?

[quote=HOWDIDHEKILLME]Just get rid of shared vision all together.