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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.04 00:56:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:An absolutely broken and flawed mechanic that should not exist in any FPS.
Why?
1. People with Inherent Wall Hacks are considered CHEATERS in the FPS community.
2. Squad vision removes the need for active scanners in socket based game play, which is generally the focal point of any PC battle.
3. Active Scans notify the enemy when being scanned, Passives don't. I only bring this up because I like to know when someone has broken my dampened Assault suit.
4. Giving a highly mobile suit, like the scout, a motion sensor is just asking for trouble.
Solutions:
Short Term: Take away the precession bonuses from scouts and give it to the commander role. A role focused more on Passive Slaying and therefore less mobile
Long Term: Make passive scans more of "you have been tagged" rather then LOL wallhackz
So what I'm gathering from this is:
ReGnYuM wrote:Please remove Active Scanners, both handheld and vehicular ones, Scan Precision, Scan Profile, Profile Dampening, remove passive scans on all suits, and remove cloaks. Did I get that right?
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
423
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Posted - 2014.09.04 01:02:00 -
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When you have to run an active scanner to help your team you have to sacrifice eq slots and there's timers. Shared passive scan is so op it makes me feel bad. It almost makes me feel guilty when I use proto active scans to help a team that obviously is blind to scouts then I paint up the nearest 100 meters for 15 randoms and watch the kill feed explode.
Lonewolf till I die
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Cass Caul
1103
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Posted - 2014.09.04 01:20:00 -
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When a Scout couldn't scan an Assault with 2 complex dampeners was when the game was good. Even if you took the Scouts' precision bonus away Gal-Logi active scanner is OP vs Medium Frames
I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1213
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Posted - 2014.09.04 01:32:00 -
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Meanwhile...
Uplink Spam still an issue Shotgun Scouts still a hassle Warframe now on Xbox One (gonna carry them Zitros)
Alldin Kan has joined the battle!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1449
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Posted - 2014.09.04 01:43:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Personally I don't think passive scaning should be nerfed into the ground entirely, but it should be redone.
1) All Light and Medium Suits should be capable of avoiding all but prescision modules. This is a simple one, medium suits should sacrifice 1 dampener to get under the majority of passive scans, dependent on the amount of prescision mods equipped.
2) Passive Scans should be changed to a sonar format. Currently Passive Scans give the same data as Active, you can see exactly where they are, what direction they are facing and you can see them moving. I instead propose that passive scans provide 'blips' which don't come with directional indicators and only update once every 1,2,4 seconds for light medium and heavy suits respectively
3) Active Scanning should also be redone. Active Scanning currently is equally broken, you ping once and you've got 10-15 seconds worth of data. This allows a logi to effectively multi-task, scan, rep, rez, repeat. The player can 10 seconds worth of potentially game changing intel for about 2 seconds worth of time where he can't fight back.
Instead I think active Scanning should require the Scanner to be constantly equipped, turning it into a kind of magic torch. You will only receive intel on the section the torch is shone on, but as soon as the enemy leaves the 'light' you loose their data. This stops scannerina's since doing such a trick only results in you getting a wlrse version of passive scans.
It also puts the player at greater risk for his reward and stops the whole Scan, Rep, Rez, Repeat cycle. Scanning gets another layer of tactics.
When do you scan? When dl you stop scanning? Is better to track a single 'fast-moving' target or maintain intel on the main pack?
MAC, Those are wonderful and well-thought out suggestions. I agree with them in their entirely. Superb ideas.
That said, I think that if these were to be implemented, I'd like both passive and active scanning to scan ALL scouts, or perhaps only those that sacrifice all/most of their extra eHP to remain hidden (this last part is, IMO, why there's still Cal/Gal scout and EWAR imbalance in the game). |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4814
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Posted - 2014.09.04 01:51:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Just get rid of shared vision all together.
All that's going to do is result in everyone playing scouts.
Kaze Eyrou wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:An absolutely broken and flawed mechanic that should not exist in any FPS.
Why?
1. People with Inherent Wall Hacks are considered CHEATERS in the FPS community.
2. Squad vision removes the need for active scanners in socket based game play, which is generally the focal point of any PC battle.
3. Active Scans notify the enemy when being scanned, Passives don't. I only bring this up because I like to know when someone has broken my dampened Assault suit.
4. Giving a highly mobile suit, like the scout, a motion sensor is just asking for trouble.
Solutions:
Short Term: Take away the precession bonuses from scouts and give it to the commander role. A role focused more on Passive Slaying and therefore less mobile
Long Term: Make passive scans more of "you have been tagged" rather then LOL wallhackz
So what I'm gathering from this is: ReGnYuM wrote:Please remove Active Scanners, both handheld and vehicular ones, Scan Precision, Scan Profile, Profile Dampening, remove passive scans on all suits, and remove cloaks. Did I get that right?
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
424
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Posted - 2014.09.04 02:15:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:[quote=HOWDIDHEKILLME]Just get rid of shared vision all together.
All that's going to do is result in everyone playing scouts. < himiko
So... When I run scout, everyone that can see me is also a scout not a commando/ heavy/ assault or ( sniper just shooting at a chevron since he's so far away he can't see me ) and will have no signifigant advantage without losing hp? Done deal.
Lonewolf till I die
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