At least in almost every match I see it deployed.
I am not asking for any kind of nerf ( nerfing has been ruining this game)
but I'd like to add suggestions to improve some gameplay if possible.

I didn't spec into one but it looks like Pilots have infinite ammo of a one shot splash damage weapon that can just hover over anything and kill it.
Maybe changing that is all that is needed? A limited ammo count for Missles and Rails? ( This should include those annoying missle tanks)
Having infinite ammo just seems like lazy game design, it makes no sense in this game

We have two options to deal with them forge guns and Swarms correct?
My beef is mainly with Swarms as Forge gunners could probably use a bit more range but are generally decent AV

& before you say swarms - they are terrible.
Waiting for a lock while this thing is either shooting at me or flying around too fast or high up to even get a lock? And they don't do enough damage anyway, I have to hit an ADS two or three times just to get it to retreat. Yes I am using mil swarms but I have three damg mods on this fit 2 complex, 1 enhanced.

Lock on range should be vastly increased...orrrrr (wait for it) why not have the option to lock on AND fire manually?

& yes if we have multiple clones with swarms you MAY be able to kill one. To this I say so I need two or three guys with AV not attacking and not capturing points to deal with one vehicle? I supposed the answer is " Yes that's the way you kill a dropship" but it just seem a boring way to play which is why you don't see many squads doing it. The alternative is perhaps just using a Commando fit but that seems too limiting.

I would suggest allowing swarms to be a sidearm weapon or a sidearm AV variant.

The best way to deal with one it seems is to have an Assault Dropship yourself. This is just seems counter-intuitive to the game. Why should I grind 2mil SP just to kill one guy/dropship?
Instead of grinding for two+ months we need Militia Assault dropships. It takes actual skill to pilot a dropship well. It takes no skill to shoot a missle somewhere near a player to kill them.
Give everyone to option to have this weapon....or are you afraid that because it is so grossly imbalanced that this will ruin the game?

That's it.
I see ADS dominating matches. It used to be tanks ( still kinda is) but it looks like the people that got sick of tanks being dominant spec'd into ADS to kill them. Now they are killing everything and with all this kool technology in the EVE universe it is kinda embarrassing that there are still only two mediocre AV options.

At least in almost every match I see it deployed.
I am not asking for any kind of nerf ( nerfing has been ruining this game)
but I'd like to add suggestions to improve some gameplay if possible.

I didn't spec into one but it looks like Pilots have infinite ammo of a one shot splash damage weapon that can just hover over anything and kill it.
Maybe changing that is all that is needed? A limited ammo count for Missles and Rails? ( This should include those annoying missle tanks)
Having infinite ammo just seems like lazy game design, it makes no sense in this game

We have two options to deal with them forge guns and Swarms correct?
My beef is mainly with Swarms as Forge gunners could probably use a bit more range but are generally decent AV

& before you say swarms - they are terrible.
Waiting for a lock while this thing is either shooting at me or flying around too fast or high up to even get a lock? And they don't do enough damage anyway, I have to hit an ADS two or three times just to get it to retreat. Yes I am using mil swarms but I have three damg mods on this fit 2 complex, 1 enhanced.

Lock on range should be vastly increased...orrrrr (wait for it) why not have the option to lock on AND fire manually?

& yes if we have multiple clones with swarms you MAY be able to kill one. To this I say so I need two or three guys with AV not attacking and not capturing points to deal with one vehicle? I supposed the answer is " Yes that's the way you kill a dropship" but it just seem a boring way to play which is why you don't see many squads doing it. The alternative is perhaps just using a Commando fit but that seems too limiting.

I would suggest allowing swarms to be a sidearm weapon or a sidearm AV variant.

The best way to deal with one it seems is to have an Assault Dropship yourself. This is just seems counter-intuitive to the game. Why should I grind 2mil SP just to kill one guy/dropship?
Instead of grinding for two+ months we need Militia Assault dropships. It takes actual skill to pilot a dropship well. It takes no skill to shoot a missle somewhere near a player to kill them.
Give everyone to option to have this weapon....or are you afraid that because it is so grossly imbalanced that this will ruin the game?

That's it.
I see ADS dominating matches. It used to be tanks ( still kinda is) but it looks like the people that got sick of tanks being dominant spec'd into ADS to kill them. Now they are killing everything and with all this kool technology in the EVE universe it is kinda embarrassing that there are still only two mediocre AV options.

lower the ceiling, ads should not be allowed to use that as a means to grief as they do now.

meh, It only takes 2 full round of my proto swarms to kill an ads. Most of the time i ll have help, so will kill shoot one full round before he can hit the burners.

i call bull on your 2 rounds of proto swarms to kill an ADS - make most retreat maybe but to kill BS. i don't think you can get much more swarm damage than minimando 5 with 2 complex damage mods and proto swarms profficency 4 and i have never killed a an ADS with 2 launches.

if its a badly fit

incubus 3 rounds

python 4 rounds.

normal

incubus 4 rounds

python 4-5 rounds.

Is this with or without the hardener up?

At least in almost every match I see it deployed.
I am not asking for any kind of nerf ( nerfing has been ruining this game)
but I'd like to add suggestions to improve some gameplay if possible.

I didn't spec into one but it looks like Pilots have infinite ammo of a one shot splash damage weapon that can just hover over anything and kill it.
Maybe changing that is all that is needed? A limited ammo count for Missles and Rails? ( This should include those annoying missle tanks)
Having infinite ammo just seems like lazy game design, it makes no sense in this game

We have two options to deal with them forge guns and Swarms correct?
My beef is mainly with Swarms as Forge gunners could probably use a bit more range but are generally decent AV

& before you say swarms - they are terrible.
Waiting for a lock while this thing is either shooting at me or flying around too fast or high up to even get a lock? And they don't do enough damage anyway, I have to hit an ADS two or three times just to get it to retreat. Yes I am using mil swarms but I have three damg mods on this fit 2 complex, 1 enhanced.

Lock on range should be vastly increased...orrrrr (wait for it) why not have the option to lock on AND fire manually?

& yes if we have multiple clones with swarms you MAY be able to kill one. To this I say so I need two or three guys with AV not attacking and not capturing points to deal with one vehicle? I supposed the answer is " Yes that's the way you kill a dropship" but it just seem a boring way to play which is why you don't see many squads doing it. The alternative is perhaps just using a Commando fit but that seems too limiting.

I would suggest allowing swarms to be a sidearm weapon or a sidearm AV variant.

The best way to deal with one it seems is to have an Assault Dropship yourself. This is just seems counter-intuitive to the game. Why should I grind 2mil SP just to kill one guy/dropship?
Instead of grinding for two+ months we need Militia Assault dropships. It takes actual skill to pilot a dropship well. It takes no skill to shoot a missle somewhere near a player to kill them.
Give everyone to option to have this weapon....or are you afraid that because it is so grossly imbalanced that this will ruin the game?

That's it.
I see ADS dominating matches. It used to be tanks ( still kinda is) but it looks like the people that got sick of tanks being dominant spec'd into ADS to kill them. Now they are killing everything and with all this kool technology in the EVE universe it is kinda embarrassing that there are still only two mediocre AV options.

Nerf it.....so much simpler. ADS is out of control

Talk all the smack you want to (it's about all KeQ is good for) but if you think it's easy to hit evasive ADS' with the AFG then you haven't shot at an evasive ADS. I've been doing this for about a year now so don't talk to me about practice.

ok i was a bit off but there are the numbers under ideal conditions which the battlefield is not always. if you put into consideration that any piliot will have a good amount of time to flee before the 4th shot that makes it unlikely to die

I think Forge vs ADS is probably as balanced as it's ever been. As in I can't manage to solo kill a good ADS pilot like Derrith or Sir Snugglez, but at the same time I can pester them long enough to keep them out of commission for a while. I don't think I've ever really been troubled by them shooting back at me. In fact, it makes it a lot easier to hit them.

My only issue with ADSs right now is how incredibly fast they can get out of max range of the FG. It's one thing to be fast and maneuverable to dodge shots, which I'm all for, it's another thing for them to be out of max range by flying to the ceiling in like 2 seconds flat.

The other issue is that most blueberries have no idea how to counter them, which I can totally understand. I mean, I have all my Forge Gun skills maxed out using a Sentintel ck.0 with 2x Complex Damage mods and it's incredibly hard for me to kill one even if I land all my shots. It takes about 3 consecutive shots for me to kill a Python and that's counting on them not using any hardeners or rechargers. In theory that sounds easy but with how fast ADS are nowadays it's pretty tough since any pilot with half a brain will look to get out as soon as that first shot hits. I can't even imagine some blueberry trying to use some AV he's not skilled into trying to take down an ADS. It's pretty much like ringing a dinner bell.

And as a side note, I respect any skilled ADS pilot 100x more now that I put some points into them and tried to see what the fuss is about. Maybe it's the fact that I use M / KB but I don't think I managed to hit a single shot using a STD Missile Launcher on a Python. The aiming system on the ADS is probably the most unintuitive piece of crap I've ever experienced.