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Tectonic Fusion 2111	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:46:00 - [1] - Quote It's taken by explosives (GIF)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 722	Posted - 2014.09.01 23:57:00 - [2] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3233	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:01:00 - [3] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka?
Tectonic Fusion 2111	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:04:00 - [4] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. It has to be balanced. It cannot be unfair. There needs to be a reason to use hybrid weapons. Maybe now people will use the AR more if not the Scrubler Rifle. (GIF)
Patrlck 56 508	Posted - 2014.09.02 00:07:00 - [5] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. that would essentially put it back in the same problem we have now. atm it's -5%/+10% (I think?), it needs to be even on both sides, though not something too ridiculous (and imo -20/+20 is a bit too high, but I guess the only way to judge it is to play after the changes :P)
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 565	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:09:00 - [6] - Quote It would make sense both game mechanic wise and realistically. Amarr weapons are +20/-20 so why not Minmitar being -20/+20? This would push it in line. Since Gallente are already +10/-10 with Caldari being -10/+10. As to realistically making sense, of all the things that should be lousy against some sort of force deflector aka a shield, it would make sense that the most conventional, gas powered projectiles, would be the least effective. Rail pack a higher punch making it harder to deflect while plasma and laser/scrambler tech have a greater sustained effect growing more taxing on a force deflector while being less hardy at punching through solid mass like armor. If anything, the fact that explosive is -20/+20 encourages projectiles to be the same. You are telling me these bullets have a greater shockwave than explosives?
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1050	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:12:00 - [7] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Because i enjoy spraying bullets using my AcR with no drawbacks. Yup... Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5925	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:12:00 - [8] - Quote I would rather have it -5/+5 pé¦pé½péªpâêpü»püäpüäpüêpéÆF¿Çpüúpüƒn+ƒ pü»püäpéÆF¿Çpüúpüªpâ¬péñpâòpâ½n+ü
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 565	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:14:00 - [9] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3690	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:14:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. You can always tell a Millford Minja

Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2070	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:16:00 - [11] - Quote My inner Machiavelli says the -20/+20 is trickery to make the real result look good in comparison. Keep those eyes open Gentlemen. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3235	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:18:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. Not many people use flux, desu.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5925	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:19:00 - [13] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. Yes, the best all-rounder. That's what minmatar are. Not the best against armor. Not the best against shields. Not the best at range. Not the best at CQC. The middle way. pé¦pé½péªpâêpü»püäpüäpüêpéÆF¿Çpüúpüƒn+ƒ pü»püäpéÆF¿Çpüúpüªpâ¬péñpâòpâ½n+ü
Tectonic Fusion 2113	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:33:00 - [14] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. Yes, the best all-rounder. That's what minmatar are. Not the best against armor. Not the best against shields. Not the best at range. Not the best at CQC. The middle way. The combat rifle is the bets at CQC lol. The Duvolle needs a buff :o (GIF)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3690	Posted - 2014.09.02 01:35:00 - [15] - Quote Joel II X wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. Not many people use flux, desu. Maybe its confirmation bias, but all I see are fluxes. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 948	Posted - 2014.09.02 04:07:00 - [16] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives The thing about explosives is that the damage type and associated weapons have, in their history, either been: - Hilariously OP - Nerfed repeatedly until outclassed by other damage types Yes, explosives have -20/+20 already, but I think having that profile on a more mainstream damage class has a lot of potential. Have a pony
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13166	Posted - 2014.09.02 04:11:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? So not kawaii "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2014.09.02 04:17:00 - [18] - Quote Wait, Amarr weapons have +/- 20?! Oh, and you're all making a fuss about the Combat Rifle. If you don't like it on a Combat Rifle, how is it fair on Amarr weapons? Shouldn't they be opposites? Like Gallente/Caldari weapons? Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 387	Posted - 2014.09.02 04:44:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. shield mercs are already destroyed by this combo, at least this way the flux would be needed, at the moment we also get torn apart by the weapons that are anti armour with our shields in place.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11933	Posted - 2014.09.02 05:00:00 - [20] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fuck did I just read. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11933	Posted - 2014.09.02 05:04:00 - [21] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. shield mercs are already destroyed by this combo, at least this way the flux would be needed, at the moment we also get torn apart by the weapons that are anti armour with our shields in place. Don't fool yourself, everything tears everything already, shields aren't special in that regard. A scrambler rifle demands special attention from me in the strafing department or else pain will happen. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16285	Posted - 2014.09.02 05:04:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Might as well be 0/0 CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Large Blaster =// Unlocked
Vicious Minotaur 1116	Posted - 2014.09.02 05:08:00 - [23] - Quote Why are all the suggested/potential damage profiles in multiples of five? Why not multiples of three or something? Does it have to do with shallow number aesthetics, or legitimate in-game variables? Rhetorical questions, by the way. I am a minotaur.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7446	Posted - 2014.09.02 05:15:00 - [24] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Why are all the suggested/potential damage profiles in multiples of five? Why not multiples of three or something? Does it have to do with shallow number aesthetics, or legitimate in-game variables? Rhetorical questions, by the way. Because if there's one thing I've noticed about CCP is that they love consistency.... tries not to bust out laughing Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Tectonic Fusion 2116	Posted - 2014.09.02 06:14:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fuck did I just read. Idk. I'm scared (GIF)
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3239	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:08:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? So not kawaii Day 53: Senpai still hasn't noticed me. (TTn¦ÅTT)
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:16:00 - [27] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. Think it should be opposite to ScR. Shield tankers shield hp is much lower than armor tankers hp. If anything shield penalty should be higher for equivalent ttk. Ps. Shield's passive regen to be taken into consideration of course. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3952	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:01:00 - [28] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. 5/5 would be better then the crap that is 5/10. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Scar Scrilla 373	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:35:00 - [29] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fuck did I just read. Idk. I'm scared "-desu ka" indicates a question in Japanese iirc "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1435	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:18:00 - [30] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: It would make sense both game mechanic wise and realistically. Amarr weapons are +20/-20 so why not Minmitar being -20/+20? This would push it in line. Since Gallente are already +10/-10 with Caldari being -10/+10. That makes absolute sense to me. Liked and agreed.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2811	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:19:00 - [31] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. A net +5% damage? No, I think not. -10%/+10% or -15%/+15% He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Joel II X Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3241	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:44:00 - [32] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Joel II X wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fuck did I just read. Idk. I'm scared "-desu ka" indicates a question in Japanese iirc Ka does indeed indicate a question. Desu ka asks the state of something or someone. As in, "are you okay?" So, it didn't make sense the way I put it. Demo means but. As in, "but, it doesn't balance out." I apologize for my behavior. I wasn't myself yesterday.
Tectonic Fusion 2120	Posted - 2014.09.02 20:27:00 - [33] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. A net +5% damage? No, I think not. -10%/+10% or -15%/+15% -10%/+10% (or +10%/-10%) is a hybrid weapon profile, when the combat rifle is in fact not a hybrid weapon. (GIF)
Dj grammer New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.09.02 22:57:00 - [34] - Quote I'm feeling a -10/+10. I am a fellow/dedicated CR user Darkness is a Beginning, you see, not an end.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2079	Posted - 2014.09.02 22:58:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 Might as well be 0/0 CCP tried that with Hybrid back in the day. Likes are my candy and in these forums every day is Halloween. XD Sweets for everyone! Forums > Game
Tectonic Fusion 2131	Posted - 2014.09.02 23:06:00 - [36] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: I'm feeling a -10/+10. I am a fellow/dedicated CR user Dude...it's not a hybrid weapon you noob. (GIF)
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 578	Posted - 2014.09.04 00:26:00 - [37] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. Yes, the best all-rounder. That's what minmatar are. Not the best against armor. Not the best against shields. Not the best at range. Not the best at CQC. The middle way. That is not what minmitar is about. Minmitar suits are the weakest all around but also the fastest. And likewise, projectiles have the lowest damage totals while being the fastest firing. the strongest all around is the amarr but they pay for that by being slow which means they are easier to focus fire, and they have the weakest shield regen and their weapons with overheating reflect their hard hitting yet unsustainable nature. Caldari are the shield tanks, heavy on shields but weak in armor with a focus on long range skirmish style fighting, popping in and out of cover. Gallente are the armored reppers. Their weapons favor close range combat which makes them excel when fitted properly, armor reps/ferroscales/reactives and kincats/regulators. They don't have the raw speed that the minmitar have but their heavy low slot layout lets them push their sprint speed while not compromising too much natural speed for quick bursts of closing the gap. Not too mention how fast a gallente kincat/repper can force targets close. Why people often dislike their dropsuits especially Gallente is because they don't understand the suits role. A lot of newer players brick tank Gallente not realising that they are better off doing so with an Amarr suit. Then the Gallente RPers wonder why their AR sucks when they can't close in on the target. It's also why a lot of them use Rail Rifles.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 471	Posted - 2014.09.04 00:38:00 - [38] - Quote Bro, you forgot to add "Hey O! or hooya!" Saying what's on people's minds
Toby Flenderson research lab 590	Posted - 2014.09.04 00:44:00 - [39] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. This is key IMO.


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