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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.01 23:46:00 -
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It's taken by explosives 
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.09.01 23:57:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives
-10/+15 would be good i think.
[[LogiBro in Training]]
Level 1 Forum Pariah
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3233
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:01:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think.
KYA~~Gÿå
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:04:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think.
It has to be balanced. It cannot be unfair. There needs to be a reason to use hybrid weapons. Maybe now people will use the AR more if not the Scrubler Rifle.
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Patrlck 56
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:07:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think.
that would essentially put it back in the same problem we have now. atm it's -5%/+10% (I think?), it needs to be even on both sides, though not something too ridiculous (and imo -20/+20 is a bit too high, but I guess the only way to judge it is to play after the changes :P) |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:09:00 -
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It would make sense both game mechanic wise and realistically. Amarr weapons are +20/-20 so why not Minmitar being -20/+20? This would push it in line. Since Gallente are already +10/-10 with Caldari being -10/+10.
As to realistically making sense, of all the things that should be lousy against some sort of force deflector aka a shield, it would make sense that the most conventional, gas powered projectiles, would be the least effective. Rail pack a higher punch making it harder to deflect while plasma and laser/scrambler tech have a greater sustained effect growing more taxing on a force deflector while being less hardy at punching through solid mass like armor.
If anything, the fact that explosive is -20/+20 encourages projectiles to be the same. You are telling me these bullets have a greater shockwave than explosives? |
Meee One
Hello Kitty Logistics
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:12:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Because i enjoy spraying bullets using my AcR with no drawbacks.
Yup...
Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:12:00 -
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I would rather have it -5/+5
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:14:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5
That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:14:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5
Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:16:00 -
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My inner Machiavelli says the -20/+20 is trickery to make the real result look good in comparison.
Keep those eyes open Gentlemen. 
I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers.
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:18:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so.
Not many people use flux, desu. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:19:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters.
Yes, the best all-rounder. That's what minmatar are. Not the best against armor. Not the best against shields. Not the best at range. Not the best at CQC. The middle way.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:33:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters. Yes, the best all-rounder. That's what minmatar are. Not the best against armor. Not the best against shields. Not the best at range. Not the best at CQC. The middle way.
The combat rifle is the bets at CQC lol. The Duvolle needs a buff :o
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:35:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. Not many people use flux, desu.
Maybe its confirmation bias, but all I see are fluxes.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:07:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives
The thing about explosives is that the damage type and associated weapons have, in their history, either been:
- Hilariously OP
- Nerfed repeatedly until outclassed by other damage types
Yes, explosives have -20/+20 already, but I think having that profile on a more mainstream damage class has a lot of potential.
Have a pony
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:11:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka?
So not kawaii
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:17:00 -
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Wait, Amarr weapons have +/- 20?! Oh, and you're all making a fuss about the Combat Rifle. If you don't like it on a Combat Rifle, how is it fair on Amarr weapons? Shouldn't they be opposites? Like Gallente/Caldari weapons?
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
387
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so.
shield mercs are already destroyed by this combo, at least this way the flux would be needed, at the moment we also get torn apart by the weapons that are anti armour with our shields in place. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:00:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka?
What the actual Japanese fuck did I just read.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11933
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:04:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 Anything above +/- 10 and shield mercs will be destroyed by flux+projectile combo. They will cry OP, and probably rightfully so. shield mercs are already destroyed by this combo, at least this way the flux would be needed, at the moment we also get torn apart by the weapons that are anti armour with our shields in place.
Don't fool yourself, everything tears everything already, shields aren't special in that regard.
A scrambler rifle demands special attention from me in the strafing department or else pain will happen.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5
Might as well be 0/0
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:08:00 -
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Why are all the suggested/potential damage profiles in multiples of five? Why not multiples of three or something? Does it have to do with shallow number aesthetics, or legitimate in-game variables?
Rhetorical questions, by the way.
I am a minotaur.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:15:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Why are all the suggested/potential damage profiles in multiples of five? Why not multiples of three or something? Does it have to do with shallow number aesthetics, or legitimate in-game variables?
Rhetorical questions, by the way.
Because if there's one thing I've noticed about CCP is that they love consistency....
*tries not to bust out laughing*
Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks
Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.09.02 06:14:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Joel II X wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fu ck did I just read.
Idk.
I'm scared 
(GIF)
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Joel II X
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
3239
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Joel II X wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? So not kawaii
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Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.02 12:16:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think.
Think it should be opposite to ScR. Shield tankers shield hp is much lower than armor tankers hp. If anything shield penalty should be higher for equivalent ttk.
Ps. Shield's passive regen to be taken into consideration of course.
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Cody Sietz
Evzones
Public.Disorder.
3952
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Posted - 2014.09.02 14:01:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I would rather have it -5/+5 That would simply make it the best all around option, the point of balance is to make everything viable in its own parameters not viable in all parameters.
5/5 would be better then the crap that is 5/10.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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Scar Scrilla
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Posted - 2014.09.02 14:35:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Joel II X wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:It's taken by explosives -10/+15 would be good i think. KYA~~Gÿå Demo, it doesn't balance out to zero-desu ka? What the actual Japanese fu ck did I just read. Idk. I'm scared
"-desu ka" indicates a question in Japanese iirc
"Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses"
" ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1435
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Posted - 2014.09.02 16:18:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:It would make sense both game mechanic wise and realistically. Amarr weapons are +20/-20 so why not Minmitar being -20/+20? This would push it in line. Since Gallente are already +10/-10 with Caldari being -10/+10.
That makes absolute sense to me. Liked and agreed.
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