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iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 218	Posted - 2014.08.31 03:38:00 - [1] - Quote something interesting happened today, i was hacking an objective and a blue dot named ignus or something shotgunned me to steal the hack in angry response i respawned and killed him, well afterwords every time he would see me would try* to kill me and i would have* to kill him. After killing him 7 to 8 times i got kicked and banned which in all honesty is bullshit, i'm not mad cause my standing went down cause i'm lvl 10 cal (or was), the reason i'm mad is because the system in place is utter crap. my suggestion to remedy this problem is once someone has teamkilled (accident or not and in this case was no accident) they can be team killed by the victim w/o penalty. i understand it is "high risk" playing factional but i find it a wee bit unfair that i'm not allowed to defend myself. "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1947	Posted - 2014.08.31 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote Completely agree.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1188	Posted - 2014.08.31 05:49:00 - [3] - Quote Disagree. Stop wasting clones, you did not 'have' to kill him. In fact if you had ignored him and simply punished him whenever he killed you it would have been him who got kicked and banned, not you. You made a choice to teamkill and you got banned for it. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3242	Posted - 2014.08.31 05:55:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Disagree. Stop wasting clones, you did not 'have' to kill him. In fact if you had ignored him and simply punished him whenever he killed you it would have been him who got kicked and banned, not you. You made a choice to teamkill and you got banned for it. I've got to agree here... Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1767	Posted - 2014.08.31 06:27:00 - [5] - Quote Honestly I'm with the OP on this one. As soon as someone team kills it should be open season on them. I feel like this is a much stronger deterrent than being banned from faction warfare for 24 hrs (which really is not a deterrent at all). Having a team killing timer (or something similar) would be much closer to EvE's pvp agression timer as well, which works quite well in that it allows pvp and team killing but has some rather direct player driven consequences as a result. I think player driven consequences are always more appropriate in a sandbox game (which is CCPs goal after all) than server driven responses like temporary bans from a game mode). Lets write our own stories and all that. Regardless of what we feel though no change to the system is going to happen anytime soon since I suspect this change goes far beyond the server side updates we currently are getting. It is more than "swapping numbers in a database." Fun > Realism
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 223	Posted - 2014.08.31 07:13:00 - [6] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Disagree. Stop wasting clones, you did not 'have' to kill him. In fact if you had ignored him and simply punished him whenever he killed you it would have been him who got kicked and banned, not you. You made a choice to teamkill and you got banned for it. i play factional to win, not let some little pompous troll have his fun (as you are suggesting), what does he have to lose nothing, this is the stupidest logic i've ever seen "let him kill you" blah why don't you join factional let me kill you while you are trying to contribute to the match see how you like it. I'm sorry but your suggestion is ******** "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1189	Posted - 2014.08.31 07:33:00 - [7] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Disagree. Stop wasting clones, you did not 'have' to kill him. In fact if you had ignored him and simply punished him whenever he killed you it would have been him who got kicked and banned, not you. You made a choice to teamkill and you got banned for it. i play factional to win, not let some little pompous troll have his fun (as you are suggesting), what does he have to lose nothing, this is the stupidest logic i've ever seen "let him kill you" blah why don't you join factional let me kill you while you are trying to contribute to the match see how you like it. I'm sorry but your suggestion is ******** And yet I bet he has even more fun knowing he got your dumb ass kicked. If he is indeed a troll, might I suggest you not feed him? or is that too hard. If you truly were 'playing to win' you wouldn't be having some idiotic little 'side duel' where you ended up killing someone 'seven or eight times', you'd be doing things that aren't counterproductive. I didn't say 'let him kill you', I said 'punish him if he kills you' aka 'Ignore him instead of retaliating'. Aka be an adult. Mobius Kaethis wrote: Honestly I'm with the OP on this one. As soon as someone team kills it should be open season on them. I feel like this is a much stronger deterrent than being banned from faction warfare for 24 hrs (which really is not a deterrent at all). Having a team killing timer (or something similar) would be much closer to EvE's pvp agression timer as well, which works quite well in that it allows pvp and team killing but has some rather direct player driven consequences as a result. I think player driven consequences are always more appropriate in a sandbox game (which is CCPs goal after all) than server driven responses like temporary bans from a game mode). Lets write our own stories and all that. Regardless of what we feel though no change to the system is going to happen anytime soon since I suspect this change goes far beyond the server side updates we currently are getting. It is more than "swapping numbers in a database." Enabling teamkilling without penalty is both incredibly petty and incredibly counterproductive. Ignore the player and he'll probably eventually get kicked and replaced with someone else, if someone was 'permitted' to teamkill you'd have vengeful little **heads revenge killing someone until the end of a match - essentially reducing player count by two. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 223	Posted - 2014.08.31 07:40:00 - [8] - Quote mina read my f'n op again, I stated HE!!* kept trying to kill me, it wasn't like i was hunting him f'n down, I was trying to continue about my business but every two minutes there he was charging at me like a f'n bull. "ignoring him" is the f'n same as "let him kill you" or are you that daft to not know the meaning of your own words and what they imply "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1191	Posted - 2014.08.31 07:53:00 - [9] - Quote I read what you said, and if you had let him kill you, he would have gotten banned. What would it have cost you really? Maybe one proto suit the first time you die? No instead lets come to the forums to whine and cry about how you got kicked from facwar because you couldn't ignore a blueberry. Then when people tell you what the actual option you should have taken was, lets throw a giant ***ing tantrum. You got kicked through your own fault. You have no sympathy from me. You remind me of that idiot I ran into in amarr FW who got kicked because he was shooting a friendly tank and then he raged and bitched and screamed over comms about how stupid it was for him to get kickbanned and lose standings because he chose* to repeatedly attack a friendly vehicle. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 223	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:04:00 - [10] - Quote lmfao it takes two to argue mina, and btw if you want to let some blue dot kill you be my guest, and that kind of mentality is why z platoon is a private channel. I'm done trying to correct your flawed logic, it obvious we both have concrete opinions that will not be changing any time soon, the only difference is i'm trying to improve a broken mechanic, while you are trying to defend it. "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1191	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:12:00 - [11] - Quote My logic isn't flawed. You had an option, you chose not to exercise it. As for why z-platoon/j-platoon is private that has everything to do with it being filled with people who have the same mentality as you - obstinate, wrongheaded, elitist and non-cooperative. I was in there, I played with them, 90% of them have no basis for thinking that they think they're better than others as they are incredibly average to sub-par players with terrible attitudes. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 223	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:19:00 - [12] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: My logic isn't flawed. You had an option, you chose not to exercise it. As for why z-platoon/j-platoon is private that has everything to do with it being filled with people who have the same mentality as you - obstinate, wrongheaded, elitist and non-cooperative. I was in there, I played with them, 90% of them have no basis for thinking that they think they're better than others as they are incredibly average to sub-par players with terrible attitudes. hit the nail on the head, we are solo artists that really don't use teamwork we just so happen to play well together, most of time we fight over kills like wild hyena's, but i am curious mina when sas you part of the platoon because i was there from the beginning when z come to kirjun stating anyone that wanted to come ove had a one way ticket(essentially not exact words) "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1191	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:20:00 - [13] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: My logic isn't flawed. You had an option, you chose not to exercise it. As for why z-platoon/j-platoon is private that has everything to do with it being filled with people who have the same mentality as you - obstinate, wrongheaded, elitist and non-cooperative. I was in there, I played with them, 90% of them have no basis for thinking that they think they're better than others as they are incredibly average to sub-par players with terrible attitudes. hit the nail on the head, we are solo artists that really don't use teamwork we just so happen to play well together, most of time we fight over kills like wild hyena's, but i am curious mina when sas you part of the platoon because i was there from the beginning when z come to kirjun stating anyone that wanted to come ove had a one way ticket(essentially not exact words) Alts. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1768	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:23:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Honestly I'm with the OP on this one. As soon as someone team kills it should be open season on them. I feel like this is a much stronger deterrent than being banned from faction warfare for 24 hrs (which really is not a deterrent at all). Having a team killing timer (or something similar) would be much closer to EvE's pvp agression timer as well, which works quite well in that it allows pvp and team killing but has some rather direct player driven consequences as a result. I think player driven consequences are always more appropriate in a sandbox game (which is CCPs goal after all) than server driven responses like temporary bans from a game mode). Lets write our own stories and all that. Regardless of what we feel though no change to the system is going to happen anytime soon since I suspect this change goes far beyond the server side updates we currently are getting. It is more than "swapping numbers in a database." Enabling teamkilling without penalty is both incredibly petty and incredibly counterproductive. Ignore the player and he'll probably eventually get kicked and replaced with someone else, if someone was 'permitted' to teamkill you'd have vengeful little ****heads revenge killing someone until the end of a match - essentially reducing player count by two. I totally agree that what you predict is what will happen. Unlike you though I like the freedom it gives players. Player driven solutions to player created problems are always going to result in more interesting game play than solutions generated and implemented by developers. This is the whole basis of sandbox gaming and a great way for CCP to actually make a step towards dust as a sandy box. Notice I never said it would help your team win. It wouldn't. I'd never claim that being able to freely kill team players would do so. I simply believe that it would be a more fitting punishment for team killers than a 24 hr. ban and it would be a hell of a lot more fun. The beauty of such a scheme is that if you want to ignore the team killer it would be your choice while I would be able to kill him repeatedly for the rest of the game thus creating a true disincentive for him to troll me. Choice and options are what make sandbox game play interesting. Honestly, I'm actually surprised that a person as in love with EvE as you would be opposed to making Dust more EvE like. Fun > Realism
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 223	Posted - 2014.08.31 08:23:00 - [15] - Quote hmm really now, not asking names jus curious anybody i know? "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 116	Posted - 2014.08.31 10:27:00 - [16] - Quote Make the person who killed a team member turn into a yellow blip, that way you know if you can kill him without being penalised, given that killing teamkillers doesn't give you "bad guy" points. 32 kills with militia shotgun. OP? naaaaaah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 697	Posted - 2014.08.31 12:56:00 - [17] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: something interesting happened today, i was hacking an objective and a blue dot named ignus or something shotgunned me to steal the hack in angry response i respawned and killed him, well afterwords every time he would see me would try* to kill me and i would have* to kill him. After killing him 7 to 8 times i got kicked and banned which in all honesty is bullshit, i'm not mad cause my standing went down cause i'm lvl 10 cal (or was), the reason i'm mad is because the system in place is utter crap. my suggestion to remedy this problem is once someone has teamkilled (accident or not and in this case was no accident) they can be team killed by the victim w/o penalty. i understand it is "high risk" playing factional but i find it a wee bit unfair that i'm not allowed to defend myself. i agree.. the system is flawed.. if he attacks first he should be the one in the poop house not you [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 697	Posted - 2014.08.31 12:56:00 - [18] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: Make the person who killed a team member turn into a yellow blip, that way you know if you can kill him without being penalised, given that killing teamkillers doesn't give you "bad guy" points. makes sence.. it would be EVE like because they are "limited engagment" ie free for all or .. "that Fsking Lemon!" [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 115	Posted - 2014.08.31 13:48:00 - [19] - Quote +1 I would play fw after this no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4730	Posted - 2014.08.31 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Players that TK should turn a different color on your radar...and the more they kill the darker their color. Say yellow, orange, and finally a red dot that isn''t able to punish you for killing them. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 365	Posted - 2014.08.31 15:13:00 - [21] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: something interesting happened today, i was hacking an objective and a blue dot named ignus or something shotgunned me to steal the hack in angry response i respawned and killed him, well afterwords every time he would see me would try* to kill me and i would have* to kill him. After killing him 7 to 8 times i got kicked and banned which in all honesty is bullshit, i'm not mad cause my standing went down cause i'm lvl 10 cal (or was), the reason i'm mad is because the system in place is utter crap. my suggestion to remedy this problem is once someone has teamkilled (accident or not and in this case was no accident) they can be team killed by the victim w/o penalty. i understand it is "high risk" playing factional but i find it a wee bit unfair that i'm not allowed to defend myself. I prefer the idea where he can be teamkilled by the whole team without penalty, but I'd accept this too.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 765	Posted - 2014.08.31 15:31:00 - [22] - Quote while i agree that the victim of a teamkilling should have to option to retaliate against his teamkiller i do not think you should be able to repeatedly teamkill them without consequence. iv been seeing many teamkillers in fw lately andit seems they do it just for fun, most of the teamkillers iv seen dont do it enough to get kicked either. the consequences for teamkilling are not strict enugh to deter it, if someone gets to teamkill 7-8 times before they are kicked thats definitely not stict enough. you should be kicked after 4 teamkills as well as after doing so much damage. i also wouldlike to see the victims of blue on blue violence get a free shot on their killer with no consequence against them, but not repeatedly. also the punishment system needs to actually have an effect on your lp payout and or standing gain, currently it seems it dosnt really do anything at all to get or give out punishment.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 230	Posted - 2014.08.31 15:37:00 - [23] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: while i agree that the victim of a teamkilling should have to option to retaliate against his teamkiller i do not think you should be able to repeatedly teamkill them without consequence. iv been seeing many teamkillers in fw lately andit seems they do it just for fun, most of the teamkillers iv seen dont do it enough to get kicked either. the consequences for teamkilling are not strict enugh to deter it, if someone gets to teamkill 7-8 times before they are kicked thats definitely not stict enough. you should be kicked after 4 teamkills as well as after doing so much damage. i also wouldlike to see the victims of blue on blue violence get a free shot on their killer with no consequence against them, but not repeatedly. also the punishment system needs to actually have an effect on your lp payout and or standing gain, currently it seems it dosnt really do anything at all to get or give out punishment. and yet again as said to mina , what if he keeps coming at me "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 765	Posted - 2014.08.31 16:07:00 - [24] - Quote let him kill you till he gets kicked, like i said the consequences for teamkilling are not strict enough someone shouldnt be able to teamkill 8-9 times, thats a broken system. currently getting banned is souly based on the amount of damage a person does to their team, while this is good for blue vehicle on vehicle violence it does nothing to deter blue infatry on infatry violence. if you teamkill more than 3 times you dont deserve to play in fw or pc. what do you think would happen if you teamkill multipletimes in a pc, even on accident? im all for the victim gitting a free shot at their killer for no consequence, but some of the other posts here seem to be in favor of unregulated revenge teamkilling which i do not agree with. if you take revenge aginst your killer that should be enuough to instigate their eventual expulsion from fw ifthey did it deliberatly, a person that would deliberatly teamkill you is especially likly to try and revenge teamkill you for seeking your revenge, and after you make you point of killing them back once that should be enough to get them wanting to kill you again and then you use that to your advantage and let them kill you till their gone.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 367	Posted - 2014.08.31 21:07:00 - [25] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: let him kill you till he gets kicked, like i said the consequences for teamkilling are not strict enough someone shouldnt be able to teamkill 8-9 times, thats a broken system. currently getting banned is souly based on the amount of damage a person does to their team, while this is good for blue vehicle on vehicle violence it does nothing to deter blue infatry on infatry violence. if you teamkill more than 3 times you dont deserve to play in fw or pc. what do you think would happen if you teamkill multipletimes in a pc, even on accident? im all for the victim gitting a free shot at their killer for no consequence, but some of the other posts here seem to be in favor of unregulated revenge teamkilling which i do not agree with. if you take revenge aginst your killer that should be enuough to instigate their eventual expulsion from fw ifthey did it deliberatly, a person that would deliberatly teamkill you is especially likly to try and revenge teamkill you for seeking your revenge, and after you make you point of killing them back once that should be enough to get them wanting to kill you again and then you use that to your advantage and let them kill you till their gone. Instead of it being when someone kills you, you should just be able to kill anyone who deals any form of damage to you or your vehicles. Why the heck should we have to wait to punish someone, why should we lose fits or be forced to run free suits to get some alt kicked from battle? If some little ***** wants to shoot at us, make them need an expensive suit to stand a chance or just get their asses handed right back to them before they get any benefit from it.
Cass Caul 1033	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:02:00 - [26] - Quote If a blue/green dot won't stop shooting you, i highly suggest you take an STD/MLT shotgun and STD/MLT nanite injector. Kill and revive him until he leaves the match. Problem solved and you won't get kicked or lose standings. Bonus! Even with increasing nanite injectors to adding shield HP back, unless they're using a Sentinel suit you'll still have enough fire power to kill them after the revive. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9185	Posted - 2014.08.31 22:06:00 - [27] - Quote What CCP should've done is borrow a page from the Eve Online criminal flag system where a player who is flagged as either suspect or criminal temporarily becomes fair game to anyone regardless of sides until the timer runs out. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1777	Posted - 2014.08.31 23:41:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: What CCP should've done is borrow a page from the Eve Online criminal flag system where a player who is flagged as either suspect or criminal temporarily becomes fair game to anyone regardless of sides until the timer runs out. Yes! Exactly what I'm saying. Fun > Realism
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1095	Posted - 2014.08.31 23:43:00 - [29] - Quote i always thought it was bullshit that punishing them doesn't ever accomplish anything does it? im not familiar with the technical ** Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13137	Posted - 2014.08.31 23:45:00 - [30] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: My logic isn't flawed. You had an option, you chose not to exercise it. As for why z-platoon/j-platoon is private that has everything to do with it being filled with people who have the same mentality as you - obstinate, wrongheaded, elitist and non-cooperative. I was in there, I played with them, 90% of them have no basis for thinking that they think they're better than others as they are incredibly average to sub-par players with terrible attitudes. hit the nail on the head, we are solo artists that really don't use teamwork we just so happen to play well together, most of time we fight over kills like wild hyena's, but i am curious mina when sas you part of the platoon because i was there from the beginning when z come to kirjun stating anyone that wanted to come ove had a one way ticket(essentially not exact words) Z Platoon is the mentality of why the Caldari own none of the Warzone....... with the history the Caldari have in FW it honestly shocks me that they do not work together more...... instead you divide up your player base and continue to fail. Contrary to this dedicated Gal FW players like Arkena, Catmerc, and Sgt Kirk open up a new channel, open it to all loyalists even handedly (true to Gallentean style) and are likely be be actively working with those recruits and vets alike..... Result= Gall own all of the Dust warzone and are T4 EVE side. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon



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