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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:05:00 -
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Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
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White-Lion
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:10:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk.
I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$. |
ZB DeLong
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:55:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
Maybe...
Just maybe...
Avoid the "morons in gorgons"?
Hope this helped! =ƒÿâ
Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:56:00 -
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White-Lion wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk. I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$.
Ambush is also a quick way to make isk.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1336
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:01:00 -
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I don't see how ramming is a broken tactic.
At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard.
Fix supply depots
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:08:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I don't see how ramming is a broken tactic.
It's as broken as my using the Plasma Cannon to kill a heavy. It's ******* broken man...
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Ripcord19981
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
587
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:12:00 -
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cant be that moronic if they manage to use there brains and kill u instead of screaming "ads are op"
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13096
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Posted - 2014.08.28 22:26:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
Boo Hoo
*Screams as a Jihad Jeep rams the side of his tank..... laughs as it ramps off the hull and explodes 20m away.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:38:00 -
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ZB DeLong wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. Maybe... Just maybe... Avoid the "morons in gorgons"? Hope this helped! =ƒÿâ
Here's the truth, the sound of the Python is confusing, you can't tell if you're about to get rammed or is it your python? There havve been many time where I have AB when I think I heard a enemy DS but turns out is is my own.
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
951
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:41:00 -
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stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Don't vote for iron wolf saber.
Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:42:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I don't see how ramming is a broken tactic. It's as broken as my using the Plasma Cannon to kill a heavy. It's ******* broken man...
Imagine if any person ran by your most expensive proto suit and you died instantly. That is how broken it is. The person actually doesn't even have to touch you, they just have to get close. Why Pythons? Why not incubus? Why the F did CCP make shields so weak. Collision damage on Shield dropships is massively broken.
Now Imagine your self running after a gal scout with your cal scout, he jumps off a building about 10m high and takes 10-20 damage, now you jump off and you lose over 120 hp. How is that fair?
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:42:00 -
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Be like me and
Git turtle beaches!
Bring These Back
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Atiim's ISK Pot
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:45:00 -
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My wallet seems to be very happy as of late.
Perhaps you should use ADSs sparingly.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:47:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity.
Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk.
ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:48:00 -
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Atiim's ISK Pot wrote:My wallet seems to be very happy as of late.
Perhaps you should use ADSs sparingly.
Perhaps they shouldn't be overpriced.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:48:00 -
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Atiim's ISK Pot wrote:My wallet seems to be very happy as of late.
Perhaps you should use ADSs sparingly.
I fly ads all the time and manage to go isk positive by the end of the day.
If you are stationary long enough for a slow gorgon or even a grimesnes to ram you then you were not fulfiling the role of a shield assault vehicle which is to do damage and get out.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:49:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:White-Lion wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk. I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$. Ambush is also a quick way to make isk.
This thread isn't about me being too poor to run them. It's about ADS being way overpriced.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:50:00 -
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my incubus survives about 40% of rammings where the rammer is the only one who crash and burns.. it's kinda a thrill when their ram fails. if me or my gunner is pwning infantry i start to expect it and can sometimes predict when it's gonna happen, my gunner also starts to look for it. i stand a better chance if he is on. a good experienced gunner does wonders for ADS
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:51:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Atiim's ISK Pot wrote:My wallet seems to be very happy as of late.
Perhaps you should use ADSs sparingly. I fly ads all the time and manage to go isk positive by the end of the day. If you are stationary long enough for a slow gorgon or even a grimesnes to ram you then you were not fulfiling the role of a shield assault vehicle which is to do damage and get out.
But why does this broken sh*t exist??!!!?!?! This doesn't happen to incubus. This doesn't happen with shield dropsuits so why the fu*k does it happen to the python??? WHY??
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:51:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Imagine if any person ran by your most expensive proto suit and you died instantly. That is how broken it [getting rammed by another derpship] is. ... How is that fair?
Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair.
We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D
(I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:55:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Imagine if any person ran by your most expensive proto suit and you died instantly. That is how broken it [getting rammed by another derpship] is. ... How is that fair? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair. We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D (I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)
Except it takes more skill to fly ADS than to lock and shoot with swarms. A militia swarmer can keep an ADS at bay for the whole match if you still don't know.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:57:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers.
Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them?
Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons. |
Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
851
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:06:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers. Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them? Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons.
Sure, but does ADS hack objectives? Does ADS cost 50k isk (price of ADS suit) ? can the ADS kill targets underground? Is ADS invisible? Can ADS scan almost everything? Is ADS more effective at killing infantry? (no it's not) (I wen't 63-4 using an ADS caldari scout shotgun suit, max I've down with ADS is 24 kills). Can ADS hack turrets? Can ADS hack supply depots? Does the Scout suit have missiles that lock onto them and always hit? Does scout suit get killed instantly by slightly bumping another scout?
Anyway, this thread is about price of ADS and nothing else. Those were just examples.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:11:00 -
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The forums always give!
Not sure whos responses are better.
Anyone who wears an extra suit (tanks, dropships) before you get to the battle.
Be happy
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1845
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:21:00 -
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White-Lion wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk. I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$.
This makes me even more sad, I love flying more than anything and have inveated heavily into making my dropahips as good as they can be and yet I cannot turn a profit doing so. Seems to me the only way to make profit is to fly in PC but that's not really dropshipping so meh.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:22:00 -
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pilot isk payout needs a buff for the various forms of assists
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:24:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers. Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them? Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons. Sure, but does ADS hack objectives? Does ADS cost 50k isk (price of ADS suit) ? can the ADS kill targets underground? Is ADS invisible? Can ADS scan almost everything? Is ADS more effective at killing infantry? (no it's not) (I wen't 63-4 using an ADS caldari scout shotgun suit, max I've down with ADS is 24 kills). Can ADS hack turrets? Can ADS hack supply depots? Does the Scout suit have missiles that lock onto them and always hit? Does scout suit get killed instantly by slightly bumping another scout? Anyway, this thread is about price of ADS and nothing else. Those were just examples.
Well you won't have any arguments from me that scouts aren't pretty broken right now, that said, Being able to go anywhere and harrass anyone on any map with outside objectives is a huge boon to the team.
How much cheaper are we talking anyways? I thought the current ADS was like 225k? I don't pay much attention when I'm buying them as I only skilled into them in the past two weeks and I've got isk for days, yo. |
Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:26:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:White-Lion wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk. I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$. This makes me even more sad, I love flying more than anything and have inveated heavily into making my dropahips as good as they can be and yet I cannot turn a profit doing so. Seems to me the only way to make profit is to fly in PC but that's not really dropshipping so meh.
You can profit with everything in the game most of the time except ADS because they have a fixed price. There are no cheaper variants. Also Shields have broken collision damage so it's especially hard to profit with Python because they are much easier to lose. Dropships ramming is broken aswell.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:27:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers. Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them? Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons. Sure, but does ADS hack objectives? Does ADS cost 50k isk (price of ADS suit) ? can the ADS kill targets underground? Is ADS invisible? Can ADS scan almost everything? Is ADS more effective at killing infantry? (no it's not) (I wen't 63-4 using an ADS caldari scout shotgun suit, max I've down with ADS is 24 kills). Can ADS hack turrets? Can ADS hack supply depots? Does the Scout suit have missiles that lock onto them and always hit? Does scout suit get killed instantly by slightly bumping another scout? Anyway, this thread is about price of ADS and nothing else. Those were just examples. Well you won't have any arguments from me that scouts aren't pretty broken right now, that said, Being able to go anywhere and harrass anyone on any map with outside objectives is a huge boon to the team.
Except when a forgegunner or a militia swarmer appears. ADS is so paperthin that you gotta run when you take even a little damage.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:31:00 -
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I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:32:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off.
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:35:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Imagine if any person ran by your most expensive proto suit and you died instantly. That is how broken it [getting rammed by another derpship] is. ... How is that fair? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair. We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D (I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)
That is too fair. You want to bring "fair" into the equation?
Try Having 27k isk instakill your 512k isk investment.
Try getting stomped in frontline fits for 3 matches to afford another one
Just to repeat it
That is not neither fair nor is it emergent gameplay, It's a nonstop cycle of hell for a dedicated pilot.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:45:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off.
I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player.
And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. |
Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:08:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off. I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player. And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. Commandos generally act as support. Assault make better front line soldiers. Not too mention the hundreds of shotgun scouts always running around that will kill any AV since the AV will be staring at the sky most the time.
Scout with swarms... Invisible, undetected, scans all. Ishukone SMG, get close no problem=kill. Also, if not Ishukone SMG, use Prototype Magsec. Also Commandos are deadly espically Caldari and Gallante. I have never feared and assault as much as I do those commandos. That 10% damage deadly.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:18:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off. I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player. And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. Commandos generally act as support. Assault make better front line soldiers. Not too mention the hundreds of shotgun scouts always running around that will kill any AV since the AV will be staring at the sky most the time. Scout with swarms... Invisible, undetected, scans all. Ishukone SMG, get close no problem=kill. Also, if not Ishukone SMG, use Prototype Magsec. Also Commandos are deadly espically Caldari and Gallante. I have never feared and assault as much as I do those commandos. That 10% damage deadly.
Well I run Caldari so all I do with it is the only thing I ever see Caldari do with it, Snipe lol. And as for Gallente all of their plasma weapons are short range. You should move faster than them just keep your distance. As for scouts, I never get killed by smg scouts so I can't sympathize. It's the shotgun scouts that give me trouble. But I run primarily Caldari everything and Minmitar assaults so smgs generally plink my shields too slowly. SMGs only really kill me as a finisher from their ScR or shotgun.
For dedicated infantry though, AV is a massive liability that in many situations makes you easy pickings. And going back to Caldari and Gallente neither are particularly good with AV. The Caldari get 0 AV bonuses just Rail tech, and the Gallente have the PLC but good luck landing a shot on a fleeing tank or flying dropship in that fat suit. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:23:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off. I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player. And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. Commandos generally act as support. Assault make better front line soldiers. Not too mention the hundreds of shotgun scouts always running around that will kill any AV since the AV will be staring at the sky most the time. Scout with swarms... Invisible, undetected, scans all. Ishukone SMG, get close no problem=kill. Also, if not Ishukone SMG, use Prototype Magsec. Also Commandos are deadly espically Caldari and Gallante. I have never feared and assault as much as I do those commandos. That 10% damage deadly. Well I run Calmmando so all I do with it is the only thing I ever see Calmmandos do, Snipe lol. And as for Gallente all of their plasma weapons are short range. You should move faster than them just keep your distance. As for scouts, I never get killed by smg scouts so I can't sympathize. It's the shotgun scouts that give me trouble. But I run primarily Caldari everything and Minmitar assaults so smgs generally plink my shields too slowly. SMGs only really kill me as a finisher from their ScR or shotgun. For dedicated infantry though, AV is a massive liability that in many situations makes you easy pickings. And going back to Caldari and Gallente neither are particularly good with AV. The Caldari get 0 AV bonuses just Rail tech, and the Gallente have the PLC but good luck landing a shot on a fleeing tank or flying dropship in that fat suit. I've noticed a trend on the forums in that the biggest complaints about ScR and shotguns tend to come from players I know that I've seen run minmitar/caldari. Likewise, most the players I see complaining about ACR/RR and smgs run gallente/amarr. It's amazing what a difference those 110/90 and 90/110 splits make.
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
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I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:46:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:48:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******.
On the dust forums really?
I wish I had your patience. Civil conversations in dust lol
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:48:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay
You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:50:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******. On the dust forums really? I wish I had your patience. Civil conversations in dust lol
They happen, but rarely. I thought this was one until that last statement. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:50:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value.
Well it takes some time to aim
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:53:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
If you're so bad you can't avoid them... Don't fit armour rep, tank that ****** out and laugh when they hit you, lol. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:54:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. Well it takes some time to aim
If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them, you need to get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault.
You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:56:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. Well it takes some time to aim If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them at you get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault. You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out.
lol yea i need to practice flying sum more but i still thing people should use the AV that was meant to be use as AV
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:06:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. Well it takes some time to aim If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them at you get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault. You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out. lol yea i need to practice flying sum more but i still thing people should use the AV that was meant to be use as AV
It's the same problem that tanks have with Jihad Jeeps. Situational awareness goes a long way towards Jihad Jeeps being a joke. I know a match I had the other day, in which I was running tanks, I had a jeep drive on top of me and I blew it up activating its REs and killing me. Fool me once shame on you! For the rest of the match I blew up about 8 jihad jeeps.
When I fly ADS I get a couple of shots in and move on, you should never be in one place for very long and you should be moving around enough to recognize whom you share aerospace with.
This I learned by being AV. When an ADS sits around for a while pelting infantry, those are the ones I shoot down. Mobility is key in ADS. And fortunately, Mobility is king with ADS, nothing matches its mobility. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 06:04:00 -
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Don't people usually say something like, " If I have a tank I should be killed by a tank" or ADS or infantry? As for AV vs ADS/ tanks both sides b***h so much that it turned into something worse than stupid.
Also the sniper aspect seems to be snipers vs CCP and non-snipers while at least vehicles, some expensive and SHOULD be used wisely at the right time, have only been used against each other if each side has a pilot or tanker who is either is needed on the field or decided to get lazy.
ADS vs ADS from what i've seen (not a pilot but wanted to learn) doesn't even look effective but more time consuming.
Tanks vs tanks seems to be effective but run into interference of the infantry. ( I "borrowed" a missile tank from a red berry I just killed one time and sort of fell in love with the large missile turrets as I destroyed more than a few enemies' tanks)
All together it seems to be a useless argument because if you have the time and isk to ram your own DS into and ADS then it's damn well worth it considering and it's not a "...suicide in public places" and sacrificing yourself for the team or game IS in fact a tactic that can, will, and is used on battlefields around the world so giving in to a few people who don't want to think is a horrible Idea. There's my $2 to all of this as a outside watcher and mocker of issues and beliefs.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 06:44:00 -
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:26:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
It's the same problem that tanks have with Jihad Jeeps. Situational awareness goes a long way towards Jihad Jeeps being a joke. I know a match I had the other day, in which I was running tanks, I had a jeep drive on top of me and I blew it up activating its REs and killing me. Fool me once shame on you! For the rest of the match I blew up about 8 jihad jeeps.
When I fly ADS I get a couple of shots in and move on, you should never be in one place for very long and you should be moving around enough to recognize whom you share aerospace with.
This I learned by being AV. When an ADS sits around for a while pelting infantry, those are the ones I shoot down. Mobility is key in ADS. And fortunately, Mobility is king with ADS, nothing matches its mobility.
jilhad jeeps can be understood because their are remotes on the front that detonate beacuse LAV's instantly blow up but what I cannot understand is why is it isnta death if very very very lightly touch another DS? That's like tanks blowing up by touching another tank.
P.S. Don't try to teach me how to ADS, I've been doing it for a year + now.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:33:00 -
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Tips on how to manage your wallet here.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:51:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:One Eyed King wrote:White-Lion wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please. You know you don't have to run your ads until you're broke in to the ground. Why not run cheap scout with a militia shotgun and cloak for some time. It will help you get better on the ground and save your bit of isk. I, in my opinion, am a good ads pilot, but that doesn't mean I always run ads. Sure I'll run some here and there when I need to or just get mad at the game, but I usually run scouts in pub matches so that I'm actually doing the objective of the game and geting more $$$. Ambush is also a quick way to make isk. This thread isn't about me being too poor to run them. It's about ADS being way overpriced.
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:06:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Imagine if any person ran by your most expensive proto suit and you died instantly. That is how broken it [getting rammed by another derpship] is. ... How is that fair? Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair. We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D (I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)
I kinda have to agree with Soraya on this one, it just wouldnt make sense if ramming was implemented any lower. It's like if you drive a nice sports car. Sure it's fun and all, but you still need to be more careful when driving it. Same goes for an ADS, you never know who might be on the road or in the sky. |
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:03:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers.
last time i played dust they were unkillable. outran swarms. flew 3000mph. they were the most overpowered thing in the game. only counter was forgeguns. and they werent even that effective. ads can sit and kill any infantry with impunity even if they had swarms.
your asking why the best vehicle in the game that has almost no counter expensive correct?
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:37:00 -
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Auris Lionesse wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers. last time i played dust they were unkillable. outran swarms. flew 3000mph. they were the most overpowered thing in the game. only counter was forgeguns. and they werent even that effective. ads can sit and kill any infantry with impunity even if they had swarms. your asking why the best vehicle in the game that has almost no counter expensive correct?
Correct dear Watson
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:22:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Git turtle beaches!
The PX-22 is pretty damn sexy.
Dat surround sound.
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:45:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
I'm glad ads cost that much , and I like running them. I just think they get spammed enough as it is. Making then cheaper will just cause even more spam
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Posted - 2014.08.31 07:01:00 -
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your wallet is sad because your running what you cannot afford to do.
if i ran proto suits all the time my wallet would be sad too and its alot easier to loose. 1 shot from an ADS kills me with just the splash damage or if you tried to land on me it would have the same affect.
infact many dropship pilots try and do this - should i complain that they are crashing into me and QQ like a bltch?
in eve i can fly a carrier, its big and powerful and expensive. i put alot of SP into the skills to fly and and more again on the support skills for it. most of the time it stays in a hanger because its alot to loose, but those skills help me with other things on different ships.
i am sure your vehicle and turret skills would be very handy in LAV's and standard drop ships if you can't afford to run a ADS. a proto ADS is what 2 battles per loss to break even? really if you loose them more than that you need to practice your evasion skills more in a standard DS.
you know that 90% of dust cannot afford to run proto any more than once in a blue moon? and you expect sympathy about having trouble running something 3-4 times the amount FFS. And yes for its effectiveness it does deserve to be that or higher |
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I rammed Tanker Tinker yesterday.. but only because my missiles barely scratched him. I did it with my incubus so nobody made profit that match. I just had to shut up a tanker in my squad before I cried. They should fix the payout system as well as the ads pride
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Anmol Singh wrote:Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.
QQ more.. your tears are Delicious!
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