I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.

I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.

Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair.

We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D

(I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)

Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off.

I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player.

And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. Commandos generally act as support. Assault make better front line soldiers. Not too mention the hundreds of shotgun scouts always running around that will kill any AV since the AV will be staring at the sky most the time.

Scout with swarms... Invisible, undetected, scans all. Ishukone SMG, get close no problem=kill. Also, if not Ishukone SMG, use Prototype Magsec. Also Commandos are deadly espically Caldari and Gallante. I have never feared and assault as much as I do those commandos. That 10% damage deadly.

Well I run Calmmando so all I do with it is the only thing I ever see Calmmandos do, Snipe lol. And as for Gallente all of their plasma weapons are short range. You should move faster than them just keep your distance. As for scouts, I never get killed by smg scouts so I can't sympathize. It's the shotgun scouts that give me trouble. But I run primarily Caldari everything and Minmitar assaults so smgs generally plink my shields too slowly. SMGs only really kill me as a finisher from their ScR or shotgun.

For dedicated infantry though, AV is a massive liability that in many situations makes you easy pickings. And going back to Caldari and Gallente neither are particularly good with AV. The Caldari get 0 AV bonuses just Rail tech, and the Gallente have the PLC but good luck landing a shot on a fleeing tank or flying dropship in that fat suit.

I've noticed a trend on the forums in that the biggest complaints about ScR and shotguns tend to come from players I know that I've seen run minmitar/caldari. Likewise, most the players I see complaining about ACR/RR and smgs run gallente/amarr. It's amazing what a difference those 110/90 and 90/110 splits make.

Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.

I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******.

I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay

On the dust forums really?

I wish I had your patience. Civil conversations in dust lol

You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value.

Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.

Well it takes some time to aim

If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them at you get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault.

You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out.

lol yea i need to practice flying sum more but i still thing people should use the AV that was meant to be use as AV

It's the same problem that tanks have with Jihad Jeeps. Situational awareness goes a long way towards Jihad Jeeps being a joke. I know a match I had the other day, in which I was running tanks, I had a jeep drive on top of me and I blew it up activating its REs and killing me. Fool me once shame on you! For the rest of the match I blew up about 8 jihad jeeps.

When I fly ADS I get a couple of shots in and move on, you should never be in one place for very long and you should be moving around enough to recognize whom you share aerospace with.

This I learned by being AV. When an ADS sits around for a while pelting infantry, those are the ones I shoot down. Mobility is key in ADS. And fortunately, Mobility is king with ADS, nothing matches its mobility.

This thread isn't about me being too poor to run them. It's about ADS being way overpriced.

Yeah, that's exactly what it's like when an ADS shows up and I don't have an AV weapon. :-/ I agree that's pretty unfair.

We can solve both problems by removing the ADS. :D

(I fully support jihad jeeping and ramming derpships both as tactically sound maneuvers and balanced emergent gameplay.)

Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity.

Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk.


ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers.

last time i played dust they were unkillable. outran swarms. flew 3000mph. they were the most overpowered thing in the game. only counter was forgeguns. and they werent even that effective. ads can sit and kill any infantry with impunity even if they had swarms.

your asking why the best vehicle in the game that has almost no counter expensive correct?

Git turtle beaches!

Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.

I love to drop those flies

Because CCP didn't implement the price reduction on ADS. Morons in Gorgons ram my 500k isk dropship and abuse broken tactics that are making my wallet and me sad. Fix please.