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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:57:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers.
Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them?
Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:24:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Auris Lionesse wrote:stop using expensive toys if your concerned about money.
Please give us a militia ADS and I will use it. Please expain to me why the ADS costs 300k isk more than a STD dropship. It has less HP which gives it better handling and speed and it has less slots and a front mounted turret. Why are we paying 300k extra for a front mounted turret and two less seats? This is stupidity. Say you specced into scout, and you put over 5 million of your SP into it but the cheapest unfitted drop suit was say 100k isk. Now who the F would want to pay 100k isk. ADS is overpriced. It's not affordable by anyone but those super rich PC farmers. Hey now I fly an ADS too from time to time, and to answer your question. Does that scout suit cross from one red line to the other red line in less than 10 seconds? Can that scout pelt other vehicles and infantry to death? Can that scout fly high into the sky where nothing but other flying scouts can touch them? Yeah no, I think the ADS is fine where it is. If you want to only play pilot wings all the time then get some turret friends and run some Gorgons. Sure, but does ADS hack objectives? Does ADS cost 50k isk (price of ADS suit) ? can the ADS kill targets underground? Is ADS invisible? Can ADS scan almost everything? Is ADS more effective at killing infantry? (no it's not) (I wen't 63-4 using an ADS caldari scout shotgun suit, max I've down with ADS is 24 kills). Can ADS hack turrets? Can ADS hack supply depots? Does the Scout suit have missiles that lock onto them and always hit? Does scout suit get killed instantly by slightly bumping another scout? Anyway, this thread is about price of ADS and nothing else. Those were just examples.
Well you won't have any arguments from me that scouts aren't pretty broken right now, that said, Being able to go anywhere and harrass anyone on any map with outside objectives is a huge boon to the team.
How much cheaper are we talking anyways? I thought the current ADS was like 225k? I don't pay much attention when I'm buying them as I only skilled into them in the past two weeks and I've got isk for days, yo. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:31:00 -
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I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:45:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off.
I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player.
And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:18:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:I just fly somewhere else if that happens, if half their team is sporting AV so that I can't harrass anywhere on the map me just poking in to say hello is plenty of help for my teams ground forces. Good AV fits make bad anti-infantry fits.
I do the same on the reverse side, where I spend the entire match shooting dropships and tanks only to have them flee and end up with 0 kills.
Actually Good AV fit can be good Anti-Inftany with the help of the Ishukone SMG which does more DMG than the Six Kin ACR. Also Commandos. Minmatar Commando rips people faces off. I'd have to disagree on both accounts. Only morons run into sidearm range when I'm AVing. A smart player will just outrange you. SMGs even the assault has pretty garbage range in comparison to other rifles, anyone with a rifle and half a brain won't run into optimal with an AV player. And as far as the min commando goes, they suffer from the same problem that all commandos suffer from. They are fatties with very low e/hp considering they are fatties. All your shots will land on a fatty and even my assault suits have more e/hp than my commandos, they are about as effective in 1 v 1 combat as logis. Minmmandos are a much greater threat to vehicles with their AV then they are to assault infantry. Commandos generally act as support. Assault make better front line soldiers. Not too mention the hundreds of shotgun scouts always running around that will kill any AV since the AV will be staring at the sky most the time. Scout with swarms... Invisible, undetected, scans all. Ishukone SMG, get close no problem=kill. Also, if not Ishukone SMG, use Prototype Magsec. Also Commandos are deadly espically Caldari and Gallante. I have never feared and assault as much as I do those commandos. That 10% damage deadly.
Well I run Caldari so all I do with it is the only thing I ever see Caldari do with it, Snipe lol. And as for Gallente all of their plasma weapons are short range. You should move faster than them just keep your distance. As for scouts, I never get killed by smg scouts so I can't sympathize. It's the shotgun scouts that give me trouble. But I run primarily Caldari everything and Minmitar assaults so smgs generally plink my shields too slowly. SMGs only really kill me as a finisher from their ScR or shotgun.
For dedicated infantry though, AV is a massive liability that in many situations makes you easy pickings. And going back to Caldari and Gallente neither are particularly good with AV. The Caldari get 0 AV bonuses just Rail tech, and the Gallente have the PLC but good luck landing a shot on a fleeing tank or flying dropship in that fat suit. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:46:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******. |
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:48:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay
You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:50:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
Maybe you just suck. I've taken on tons of suits and won with my SMG. Many scouts have lost their lives to my SMG. May assaults have lost their lives. Sadly SMG is going to get nerfed.
I think in your butthurt, you blindly assumed something stupid. I DON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH SMGS... you do. Don't see how that means that I suck moron. Sadly, this conversation was feeling civil until you decided to go full ******. On the dust forums really? I wish I had your patience. Civil conversations in dust lol
They happen, but rarely. I thought this was one until that last statement. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:54:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. Well it takes some time to aim
If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them, you need to get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault.
You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:06:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hate rammers there should be ghost mode so you can't be rammed only FG and Swarms can hit you and other AV things.
Ramming is gay You know standard dropships move at like half the speed of ADS. That's why people mock others complaining of ADS, you really shouldn't be hovering in one position oblvious to how long it takes a non ADS to show up. And if it's another ADS, they traded for the most part equal value. Well it takes some time to aim If another dropship is trying to ram you while you aim at them at you get way the **** away from them. If you mean aiming at infantry, it doesn't take that long and if it does you need to practice flying. The only times I've been rammed I knew it was my fault. You are indeed flying a fairly expensive craft. When in doubt, don't get greedy, get the **** out. lol yea i need to practice flying sum more but i still thing people should use the AV that was meant to be use as AV
It's the same problem that tanks have with Jihad Jeeps. Situational awareness goes a long way towards Jihad Jeeps being a joke. I know a match I had the other day, in which I was running tanks, I had a jeep drive on top of me and I blew it up activating its REs and killing me. Fool me once shame on you! For the rest of the match I blew up about 8 jihad jeeps.
When I fly ADS I get a couple of shots in and move on, you should never be in one place for very long and you should be moving around enough to recognize whom you share aerospace with.
This I learned by being AV. When an ADS sits around for a while pelting infantry, those are the ones I shoot down. Mobility is key in ADS. And fortunately, Mobility is king with ADS, nothing matches its mobility. |
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