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Thor Odinson42 wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part.

FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING??

Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting.

Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs.

Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc.

Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes

Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. Raising the isk payout will do nothing but inflate the already inflated economy. What's the point in even having an isk system if the isk payout compensates for bad play?

Besides if half your team is afking you should be running standard gear. You would have to die like 30 times in a match to lose isk in standard gear.

The only way the half afk/sniping matches will end is if real matchmaking is introduced. This would probably require pubs to become squad prohibited though so be careful what you wish for.

Inflated economy, lol.

The single greatest myth in Dust.

Incentives drive behavior. Get paid more to perform well and win and you will see people trying harder. AFK (zero WP) should get ZERO.

K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Red line snipers and tankers hate it.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17453	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:26:00 - [1] - Quote I log on. Get a bunch of terrible matches. I get a semidecent one - still polluted with HMG spam and a bunch of mass drivers in a ridiculous position, but a semidecent one. Near the end of the match, I'm expecting a decent SP payout for once. 'Unable to connect' I watch people move around me. I watch someone shoot me, my health bar go down, I watch that guy get shot by a teammate. I watch an RDV come in. I am thrown out of the match because I 'disconnected'. I queue again. I get into a match. I play for a bit. Suddenly: 'You have been removed from battle'. Arbitrarily. For no reason whatsoever. Sometimes I feel as if I've encountered the limits of human stupidity. And then, once more, I return to the forums.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 519	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:47:00 - [2] - Quote I feel there's two paths to walk on any given day in Dust. There's the path where you could play hours upon hours without too much problem.... And then there's the path with those hurdles and upon jumping over one, you knock it over, be it a bug, glitch, internal error, hard freeze, other random spontaneous combustion. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4449	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:51:00 - [3] - Quote That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 531	Posted - 2014.08.28 19:54:00 - [4] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc.
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 39	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote what determines "being dropped" from a match? I don't think it has anything to do with internet speeds because mine isn't the greatest and I'm almost never dropped. Same with lag. It only happens once in a blue moon, but the forums make it sound like this is a common thing. (o_O ) btw, my average Dust 514 gaming: 2 matches where we proto stomp the enemy, but since I'm a fresh cadet I mostly run around getting assists and sometimes heal. 1 match where we get redlined and I die horribly over and over again. 1 match where we get redlined, I die horribly over and over again, but for some weird reason I'm number 1-3 on the leader boards. Turn off for the day. My other car is Utena
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 535	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:22:00 - [6] - Quote Riruodo wrote: what determines "being dropped" from a match? I don't think it has anything to do with internet speeds because mine isn't the greatest and I'm almost never dropped. Same with lag. It only happens once in a blue moon, but the forums make it sound like this is a common thing. (o_O ) btw, my average Dust 514 gaming: 2 matches where we proto stomp the enemy, but since I'm a fresh cadet I mostly run around getting assists and sometimes heal. 1 match where we get redlined and I die horribly over and over again. 1 match where we get redlined, I die horribly over and over again, but for some weird reason I'm number 1-3 on the leader boards. Turn off for the day. The lag that most people are complaining about is likely: A. Graphic lag, which typically occurs when people spam equipment. B. Player lag, where players come from another region, have a bad connection, use a lag switch with higher latency which forces you and the laggy player to rely on spray and pray because their clone will choppily update making it hard to predict where they actually are according to the server at any given moment. C. Server lag, when the server starts having a seizure and everyone is rubber banding constantly. B. is what people get upset with other players about because it forces a specific sort of play style that also acts as leveling of the playing field between someone with good gun game and someone without good gun game. A. and C. are what people get upset with CCP about because A. occurs due to horrid code optimization and C. occurs due to tranquility having a seizure or something...
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 88	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:23:00 - [7] - Quote I've been having a lot of balanced matches since HF Charlie Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 88	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:33:00 - [8] - Quote I've been having a lot of balanced matches since HF Charlie Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3927	Posted - 2014.08.28 20:40:00 - [9] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I've been having a lot of balanced matches since HF Charlie Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I've been having a lot of balanced matches since HF Charlie Forum lag? (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17461	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote An update on the wonderful world of DUST. I attempt to get into a PC match. First, I am not allowed to move into a squad because 'they're already deployed in battle' when I'm in the SAME DAMN MATCH. Then, I back out and go back in to try and get in and the menu won't open. Then, it eventually opens, and it hard freezes. I reset, and I've lost bucketloads of time. I open the menu again. It still doesn't open for a minute and a half. It opens! Internal error. A child could probably make menus that function better than this. Sometimes I feel as if I've encountered the limits of human stupidity. And then, once more, I return to the forums.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4475	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4475	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: I've been having a lot of balanced matches since HF Charlie What channel do hang in? I want to run with you. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1726	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:35:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I log on. Get a bunch of terrible matches. I get a semidecent one - still polluted with HMG spam and a bunch of mass drivers in a ridiculous position, but a semidecent one. Near the end of the match, I'm expecting a decent SP payout for once. 'Unable to connect' I watch people move around me. I watch someone shoot me, my health bar go down, I watch that guy get shot by a teammate. I watch an RDV come in. I am thrown out of the match because I 'disconnected'. I queue again. I get into a match. I play for a bit. Suddenly: 'You have been removed from battle'. Arbitrarily. For no reason whatsoever. The PSN network ussually drops me these days whenever i am having a really good match, either in Dust or Blacklight.....its like Oh sh*t Rei's murdering too many people, let kick em. I don't have any issues when i am in a bad match ofcourse...so i can feel your pain man :/ Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2039	Posted - 2014.08.28 21:36:00 - [14] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: snip Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. If the payout system was functioning properly then CCP would have released the formula to calculate it over two years ago. They keep it secret despite numerous requests by players for good reason. I have a lot of respect for Classic Logis. New Eden could use more Healers. Forums > Game: Biggest understatement ever
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 330	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:25:00 - [15] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Isk payouts are fine? Even when i run my slayer/hacker scout and lose like 2 its half of my payout even if i got 2000 points killin and hacking **** while half the people barely can make 800 wp. They get about 200k what do i get maybe 300k Even though i got twice as many wp i still only got 100k more when i.was going for the win and they just sat back and barely did a thing. On the other hand i can logi and get the same wp but ill get payed a little bit more isk for helping the team.Moral of the story ir payes to sit back with a rep tool and go 0/0 than it is to go 20/2. Why?
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3030	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:34:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: An update on the wonderful world of DUST. I attempt to get into a PC match. First, I am not allowed to move into a squad because 'they're already deployed in battle' when I'm in the SAME DAMN MATCH. Then, I back out and go back in to try and get in and the menu won't open. Then, it eventually opens, and it hard freezes. I reset, and I've lost bucketloads of time. I open the menu again. It still doesn't open for a minute and a half. It opens! Internal error. A child could probably make menus that function better than this. That's so frustrating, in the past few days I've joined at least two PC's to get FKed over by DC's I DC with like 8min to barge and finally get on with 3-4min to battle and have been replaced, another time I DC just as everyone loads into the barge takes 20 minutes for me to get on without disconnected just as I get onto Dust and by that time the PC was almost over. Tanker/Logi/Assault
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 876	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:07:00 - [17] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: snip Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. If the payout system was functioning properly then CCP would have released the formula to calculate it over two years ago. They keep it secret despite numerous requests by players for good reason. The payout system is one of the very very few things they were clear on a very long time ago. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/12/11/dust-514-war-and-profit/ Learn to google
Tectonic Fusion 2076	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:13:00 - [18] - Quote Mine is: Squad with my brother. Hear him whine every time he dies. Knife all the baddies near me. Realize no one but me is actually trying or in the redline. Kills the reds by stealth the entire match and lose every time because I'm the only one trying (my brother is usually derping in a dropship like ermahgerd this is so cool). (GIF)
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1178	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:23:00 - [19] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. i went 8 kills in my incubus and killed 2 tanks plus the drivers and 1 python, i receive 87k i go AFK with gorgon in my redline i get 0 kills and receive 130k dafuq AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 951	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:32:00 - [20] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. it doesnt help if your opponents are using basic gear. Ive had regular matches pay 500k-600K+ when the other teams are well equipped with semi expensive equipment. its not often, but its also not often that 90% of the people i kill arent wearing noob items. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 539	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:41:00 - [21] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. Raising the isk payout will do nothing but inflate the already inflated economy. What's the point in even having an isk system if the isk payout compensates for bad play? Besides if half your team is afking you should be running standard gear. You would have to die like 30 times in a match to lose isk in standard gear. The only way the half afk/sniping matches will end is if real matchmaking is introduced. This would probably require pubs to become squad prohibited though so be careful what you wish for.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3212	Posted - 2014.08.28 23:49:00 - [22] - Quote The queen is hogging all the internet again, eh?
Zeus Alderan Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:35:00 - [23] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I log on. Get a bunch of terrible matches. I get a semidecent one - still polluted with HMG spam and a bunch of mass drivers in a ridiculous position, but a semidecent one. Near the end of the match, I'm expecting a decent SP payout for once. 'Unable to connect' I watch people move around me. I watch someone shoot me, my health bar go down, I watch that guy get shot by a teammate. I watch an RDV come in. I am thrown out of the match because I 'disconnected'. I queue again. I get into a match. I play for a bit. Suddenly: 'You have been removed from battle'. Arbitrarily. For no reason whatsoever. I received a great deal of "removed from battle " messages. I received these notifications sequentially so that I was unable to join any battles. unable to locate the problem after checking my gear and other settings I rebooted my console. after restarting dust 514 I noticed my fittings had an orange circle in the menu. this orange circle was not present before I rebooted the console. upon checking the fittings 90 of them had run out of one kind of armor component that I use in most of my fittings. upon purchasing additional armor I was able to rejoin the battles. in my case the removed from battle message had to do with improper error handling on the part of the battle matchmaking system the inability to utilize fittings was reported as some kind of boot or kick. additionally there was no notification after these removals in the fittings menu or neocom. However after restarting the console the neocom system must have checked for these type of errors on startup and displayed them for me in the fittings menu. Zeus Alderan
The Attorney General 2842	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:40:00 - [24] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. No. People AFK because you are rewarded for merely being alive in the match instead of for participating. Stop that and AFK'ing dies right away. Of course, that would also mean that bad players would get almost no SP and their progress would grind to a virtual halt, and that would drive new players out even faster than getting proto stomped. This toon started out as an alt, and was AFK'd with boosters running for a couple of months to avoid having to go through the trouble of actually earning the SP to become a semi competent member of a team. Why would anyone do it other wise when the penalty for playing with baseline SP is so high, and the cost of AFKing is nil? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4567	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:41:00 - [25] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. Raising the isk payout will do nothing but inflate the already inflated economy. What's the point in even having an isk system if the isk payout compensates for bad play? Besides if half your team is afking you should be running standard gear. You would have to die like 30 times in a match to lose isk in standard gear. The only way the half afk/sniping matches will end is if real matchmaking is introduced. This would probably require pubs to become squad prohibited though so be careful what you wish for. Inflated economy, lol. The single greatest myth in Dust. Incentives drive behavior. Get paid more to perform well and win and you will see people trying harder. AFK (zero WP) should get ZERO. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2570	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:43:00 - [26] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. Raising the isk payout will do nothing but inflate the already inflated economy. What's the point in even having an isk system if the isk payout compensates for bad play? Besides if half your team is afking you should be running standard gear. You would have to die like 30 times in a match to lose isk in standard gear. The only way the half afk/sniping matches will end is if real matchmaking is introduced. This would probably require pubs to become squad prohibited though so be careful what you wish for. Inflated economy, lol. The single greatest myth in Dust. Incentives drive behavior. Get paid more to perform well and win and you will see people trying harder. AFK (zero WP) should get ZERO. Seriously. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. Red line snipers and tankers hate it.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4567	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:56:00 - [27] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. No. People AFK because you are rewarded for merely being alive in the match instead of for participating. Stop that and AFK'ing dies right away. Of course, that would also mean that bad players would get almost no SP and their progress would grind to a virtual halt, and that would drive new players out even faster than getting proto stomped. This toon started out as an alt, and was AFK'd with boosters running for a couple of months to avoid having to go through the trouble of actually earning the SP to become a semi competent member of a team. Why would anyone do it other wise when the penalty for playing with baseline SP is so high, and the cost of AFKing is nil? I'd rather see people start with 10 mil SP and have a system that rewards participation than what we currently see. I'd rather see everyone able to run proto 24/7 than see us continue pretending there will ever be a player market. Because of passive PC ISK/salaries we see the top 1-5% of Dust able to run proto non stop. Even if it's not sustainable forever it would take years for a 4-5 KDR individual to spend 500mil - 1 bill ISK. I'm not saying we should totally diminish everything that sets Dust apart, but the payouts suck. If you go 15-5 in ADV gear with 3000WP and end up >>>>>profiting<<<<<< less than the dude who AFK'd that is a problem. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3945	Posted - 2014.08.31 03:14:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: That part about getting into a bunch of terrible matches is the crappy part. FFS can we get the payouts increased or SOMETHING?? Maybe a 200K bonus for getting over 500 WP? Something to get people fighting. Use cheaper gear if you feel the isk isn't worth it. No one said you had to proto stomp in pubs. Isk payouts are fine, learn to be strategic and to not overcommit or go full tilt. You have no one to blame but yourself when you lose 3 tanks and 10 proto fits in a single match etc. etc. Yep. They are great! That's why nobody AFKs or redline snipes Most people afk or redline snipe because their team is full of newberries. Raising the isk payout will do nothing but inflate the already inflated economy. What's the point in even having an isk system if the isk payout compensates for bad play? Besides if half your team is afking you should be running standard gear. You would have to die like 30 times in a match to lose isk in standard gear. The only way the half afk/sniping matches will end is if real matchmaking is introduced. This would probably require pubs to become squad prohibited though so be careful what you wish for. Inflated economy, lol. The single greatest myth in Dust. Incentives drive behavior. Get paid more to perform well and win and you will see people trying harder. AFK (zero WP) should get ZERO. I'm down with that. I mean, I'm totally one of the people who's usually all Save the n00bs, but a real simple fix would be to make it such that if you go 0/0 and 0 sp, you get a commensurate 0 SP and 0 ISK for the battle. No matter how n00b you are, you can always manage to hack a supply depot, get a single assist, hell, even die just one time and you get something for it. I imagine it would be pretty simple to do and would allow the poor newbs to get some reward and stay viable while unabashed AFKers would be discouraged, at least slightly. Yes, they could just drop in a starer fit, hack a redline installation or get killed and then AFK as normal, but at least they have to do something to get rewarded. Anything harsher might not be worth it as making life harder on AFKers is not more important than allowing new players to progress. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 656	Posted - 2014.08.31 03:23:00 - [29] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: [they]...use a lag switch with higher latency which forces you and the laggy player to rely on spray and pray because their clone will choppily update making it hard to predict where they actually are according to the server at any given moment. This is actually not true - lag-switches only work when you're hosting the server; in DUST, where all the servers are hosted by CCP, a lag-switch will do nothing more than hurt you. Just wanted to clear that up. Also, I don't really know how long it's been since I logged into DUST, but it's been a while now... And OP is why. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
The Attorney General 2848	Posted - 2014.08.31 05:46:00 - [30] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'd rather see people start with 10 mil SP and have a system that rewards participation than what we currently see. I'd rather see everyone able to run proto 24/7 than see us continue pretending there will ever be a player market. Because of passive PC ISK/salaries we see the top 1-5% of Dust able to run proto non stop. Even if it's not sustainable forever it would take years for a 4-5 KDR individual to spend 500mil - 1 bill ISK. I'm not saying we should totally diminish everything that sets Dust apart, but the payouts suck. If you go 15-5 in ADV gear with 3000WP and end up >>>>>profiting<<<<<< less than the dude who AFK'd that is a problem. You are asking for things that would diminish what little cash influx CCP does see from this game. CCP relies on the handicapping of younger players to impress upon them the need for Aurum and boosters. That restriction is by design. It will not change, and it will be the biggest roadbloack to the game being viable as a standalone product. In Eve you can overcome superiour SP players through zerging, as anyone who has been caught by a frig gang in a BS can attest. In a fixed player count lobby shooter that doesn't work, but CCP built their incorrect model around their archaic ideas from Eve. CCP wants new players to be gimped in order to sell them crap. Always keep that in the fore of your mind when trying to figure out how to fix the NPE. Did you think that repetitive tripe in the old warbage was just there as a pleasant voice in the background? Mr. Hybrid Vayu.



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