First off, I'd like ot point out that today I got some rage mail : ******* cloak ***** *****
fun fact: I was in an ADV Assault suit with a compact nanohive for my only equipment.
This also happens when I'm running a Scout without a cloak, but today was special in that I was using an Assault suit.

This looks like a well written troll post.
You either don't care about the infiltrator role that places uplinks, clears enemy equipment, and hacks points. Or you just want to pretend that the cloak is the reason you're getting popped from behind when really it's alpha damage weapons mixed with improved movement speed.

@TheEnd762
Oh, please elaborate.

First off, I'd like ot point out that today I got some rage mail : ******* cloak ***** *****
fun fact: I was in an ADV Assault suit with a compact nanohive for my only equipment.
This also happens when I'm running a Scout without a cloak, but today was special in that I was using an Assault suit.

This looks like a well written troll post.
You either don't care about the infiltrator role that places uplinks, clears enemy equipment, and hacks points. Or you just want to pretend that the cloak is the reason you're getting popped from behind when really it's alpha damage weapons mixed with improved movement speed.

@Cass Caul
I appreciate your confidence in my ability to troll, but this is not one. The infiltrator role is still viable here. If you want to decloak faster and silently fit a codebreaker mod. Or if you want to take you chances on altering yourself to scouts and other mid frames, stack dampening mods so your added penalty percentage is lower.

@Adipem
Yeah, realistically it would be a Legion thing but discussion is dead there atm.

@Rusty
These sound notifications are for your ears only, call it bone conduction. It's there as a reminder that you've properly cooled down your cloak generator.

@Cass
Again the penalty is not during active use of the cloak, but rushed decloaking. You're cooling down the cloak. The reason I am targeting profile is because if you go to an immediate weapon swap, you'll still very likely get the drop on a player. CQC shotgunning won't change much from the initial 1v1 suprise attack. It's just now you have to deal will the consequences of other people spotting you on the radar for the next few seconds because you decloaked too fast.

Is this a Legion suggestion?

Edit: I support the idea of increasing delay between decloak and action; why not just extend the delay between decloak and action? I'm concerned that the suggestion as presented is beyond the capability of server-side tweak.

I'd prefer whenever a scout decloaks, out of juice or not you couldn't do anything combat or equipment related for 1 second.

But I also don't think cloaks should play a part in the e-war game.

As a cloaked Gallente shot-gunner aficionado I love the ability to rush up behind someone, decloak before they can react and pump several round into them. Admittedly, this doesn't feel particularly fair from a gameplay standpoint for the victim. Here are my suggestions to possibly address the matter in a constructive way.

1. When a cloak is activated, either disable the R2 button (the weapon quickswap button) or link the R2 button to the decloak animation that is started when pressing R1 (while cloaked).

2. Manual decloak introduces a high level ping which identifies you on the radar and general HUD, similarly to an active scanner. Natural cloak depletion introduces a mild level suit db ping. *Please see descriptions below.

3. Strength of penalty db Ping can be reduced to zero by holding down decloak button for a given period of time. Base time is initially dependent on cloak module class (std-9sec, adv-7sec, pro-5sec). Codebreaker modules and the Minmatar hack bonuses additionally may also reduce decloak hold time.

4. Manual decloaks have two sounds. An initial beep and silent decloak to signify you can let go of R1 to auto switch to weapon (although incur db ping if you let go before cooldown) and cloak cooldown sound to signify that if you let go you won't incur a db ping spike if you let go of R1 to auto weapon swap.

/ / / / /

Penalty Db Ping: A high spike that is equal to 100% of the value of your current db level. Lasts for 8 to 15 seconds depending on module type. So if you are a 14.95 db Gal Scout with a proto cloak module. A penalty ping would bring you to 29.9 db for 8 seconds

Cloak Depletion Db Ping: A mid spike that is equal to 60% of your current suit db level. Trigger when module naturally runs out of juice. Last between 2-5 seconds. Encourages tight management of cloak to not be stuck with an inopportune suit ping.

In regards to Eve style cloaking what are you thinking specifically? We don't have modules necessarily that you could activate after several seconds of being cloaked. Laying equipment might be nifty, but the blowback comes from remotes use. Proximity decloaking seems pretty inconvenient given the smaller engagements unless the radius was really small or players had to physically hit you.

[quote=Jadek Menaheim]@Adipem

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Forcing an increase in profile makes the first option pointless. It's no longer a viable suit for assassination, you would be forcing the user to be a suicide bomber because it no longer matters if you take someone that could scan you without the cloak or not because any penalty would mean suits that are not proficient or dedicated to Precision can see you on the tacnet.

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True invisibility while moving, no sprinting while cloaked unless using the PRO cloak, the chevorn, name, and HP bars being removed regardless of being scanned or not though you'd still appear on the TacNet.

Much longer delay. It's currently at 0.5 seconds, closer to 5 seconds, and removing the "must have 50% to use" limitation - though that would be a mute point because after 5 seconds you would have 50%.

While the Skill would be -10% cloak delay per level so even at proto you have a 2.5 second delay