Actually I just gave the CPM a heads up yesterday that the scrambler is outperforming other rifles right now, yet the assault scrambler is one of the worst performers, along with all the GA Assault Rifles, still...

Rail rifle needs the range. Caldari suits arent optimized to be anywhere near brawler ranges. They have to thoroughly outrange HMG (and assault HMG) ranges or they are meat. Period.

Scram rifle doesnt do too much damage to armor. The damage is similar to the tac AR. Nerfing it would make the weapon utterly worthless vs. Armor suits, which only die to scrams when sitting still or running in straight lines.

CR should eat a -20% to shields +20% to armor which frees up the middle damage niche so the GAR and RR can shine as the most balanced killers as they are less specialized.

You can't simply look at dps, range, and tte and decide whether a weapon is op or not. For example look at the scrambler rifle. Its +20/-20 damage profile ends up in a net zero damage difference but requires you to pick your fights carefully unlike the assault rifle's profile of +10/-10. Furthermore, its overheat lasts five seconds (much longer than most reloads) and prevents you from switching weapons, sprinting, and reduces your movement speed. Its semi automatic firing mode makes it more difficult to use than other weapons and makes it inferior to automatics in cqc. Its also can output far less damage than other rifles before having to stop.

All these factors have to be taken into consideration before judging a weapon. The scrambler is actually quite balanced but seems op because of its high dos and range.

S

Burst Combat Rifle:
Optimal:61m(+17m) Effective:77(+5m)
DPS:594(+141) TTE: 2.7 Secs (3.35 with Min Assault Lvl 5)
Assuming fire at full auto, is possible.

The BCR is too easy to abuse, when fired at full auto it has ridicuolus DPS and range, which in turn with the projectile damage profile ends in devastating results, I suggest a higher forced delay between burst, such that only 4 bursts per second is capable, then a damage rebalance to approximatly 410 DPS

You can't fire the BCR at full auto; there's a definite pause between bursts, making your critical paragraph meaningless.

It leaves a big question as to why the ScR is overperforming, yet the almost identical TAC is not.

Burst Combat Rifle:
Optimal:61m(+17m) Effective:77(+5m)
DPS:594(+141) TTE: 2.7 Secs (3.35 with Min Assault Lvl 5)
Assuming fire at full auto, is possible.

The scrambler rifle does more to armour than any other rifle (SR not included). If all your shots hit you wont overheat before the person you are shooting at is dead, (unless its a heavy) especially if its a shield tanked suit. And the fact it is a single shot gun has nothing to do with how effective it is in cqc when it fires as fast the ScR does.

It leaves a big question as to why the ScR is overperforming, yet the almost identical TAC is not.

I'd rather not see a ROF limit as that would make the overheat slower.

If the SCR needs a nerf I'd give it less ammo, possibly make it overheat faster (but cool down faster too).

S

Burst Combat Rifle:
Optimal:61m(+17m) Effective:77(+5m)
DPS:594(+141) TTE: 2.7 Secs (3.35 with Min Assault Lvl 5)
Assuming fire at full auto, is possible.

The BCR is too easy to abuse, when fired at full auto it has ridicuolus DPS and range, which in turn with the projectile damage profile ends in devastating results, I suggest a higher forced delay between burst, such that only 4 bursts per second is capable, then a damage rebalance to approximatly 410 DPS

Please buff my tac 5 assault rifle, increase rate of fire or magazine size would be welcomed.

Scrambler Rifle:
Optimal:72m(+28m) Effective:83m(+11m)
DPS: 572(+119) TTOH: 2 Seconds (2.5 Seconds with Am Assault Lvl 5)
...

Tactical Assault Rifle:
Optimal:55m(+11m) Effective: 77m (+5m)
DPS: 582(+129) TTE: 2.25 Secs (Assumes 8 rounds a second: Almost perfect fully automatic fire)
...

Finally is the tac, suprisingly if Rattati is correct, there is no reason not tomuse this weapon. It functions almost exactly the same as the ScR just without the charge shot. It also doesn't suffer the supposedly crippling overheat, but simply reloads instead.

It leaves a big question as to why the ScR is overperforming, yet the almost identical TAC is not. It may be in any case the range, or lack thereof.

wrong dps value because of fire delay between each burst is not taken into account



actually
RR does similar damage to armor as ScR
Combat Rifle does more damage to armor than ScR

actually
RR does similar damage to armor as ScR
Combat Rifle does more damage to armor than ScR

False premise. Scrams do heat per second not heat per shot. So over three seconds of continuous fire a scram that fires three shots (one per second) will have built up the same heat that 18 shots (6 per second) has built because the time mechanic from the laser rifle was copy/pasted to the scram.

Yes, because human will tap R1 12times in 1second. Reality says hi.
Turbo controles are the problem.

You cant just use raw dps values as you arent going to hit every shot every time. Also to calculate dps you have to use both RoF and damage per bullet. Right now the ScR does too much damage it has since it was first put into the game just no one has used it since whenever the CR was introduced.

There is no mystery about this, 572 DPS for the ScR is a miscalculation. The current figure for proto ScR is 841 DPS (705.88/60*71.5), while the proto Tac AR only manages 607 DPS (500/60*72.8). So the ScR performs so much better because it has much higher range AND much higher DPS.

there is a 0.06s pause between each burst, so you'll find that the dps is 424, not 594

isnt this just a copypaste from features and ideas

shameful

Otherway round, this is the orginal, although almost without exception the Disscusssions and Feedback variant has less conjecture and circumstantial evidence.

But if I didn't put it in both there would have been a serious mistake which was pointed out to me on this thread.
The thing is their are a few of us in GD who prefer to balance weapons with more than just the following arguments.

1. I used it and only did about average this clearly means it's not OP


2. I used it and absolutely slaughtered a selection of blueberries probably straight from the Academy, it's clearly OP


3. I think it FEELS too powerful, this clearly makes it OP


4. I think it FEELS just fine, obviously this means it's not OP


5. I've got a mate who only does reasonably with it, so how can it be OP?


6. I tried it once and liked it more than my current Protostomping fit, it is OP and must be nerfed to hell and back.

and so on and so forth.

This is the thing cruor, echo and every one else who says numbers don't mean squat. This ENTIRE game is built upon numbers. If numbers aren't important why are there so blasted many of them? No of course the game's not played in a vaccum.

But as has been said before. You cannot make an unbiased calculation of weapons balance on 2 people of different skill levels, you can say it's more difficult to hit/aim or whatever but so long as you can get rounds on target it must be assumed that someone somewhere will be able to get even more rounds on target.

You also can't account for Tank type either, since you can tank, either or both, you can't say it's balanced because it can't cut through such and such a tank, yet another weapon that does is suddenly OP, that's biased towards that tank type.

Cover is also a non-factor unless you are calculating regen on a dropsuit. Since in all but 3 (4 if you count the FG) cases, if you don't have line of sight to your opponent, which is required to apply damage, then neither do your opponent.

Reload times are only a factor if you are in an engagement which requires more than 1 magazine, since it's rather biased to balance a weapon assuming it's only ever got half it's mag at the beginning of the engagement.

So no the game is played in a vaccum where we are all standing in a large flat open field, standing still and shooting each other, but if you take a snapshot of an engagement, say the next time a heavy rounds a corner, that frozen moment of time, that's exactly what is happening.

The maths simply doesn't care, it only tells it like it is.