Gallente should be the kings of Assault Rifles, and possibly Plasma cannons. Best idea I've heard is a bonus to rate of fire.

Caldari... I don't know, spool up time reduction? I don't use RR or anything.

But I know that for both of these, the current racial weapon skill is USELESS.

Please don't propose a bonus if you don't use the weapon suit combination. As for the current bonus of the Cal it is crap, you're right about that

I tried a few Gal Assault and Cal Assault suits after Charlie droped.

I went back to my cal/gal scouts in a day.

They still have no benefit to my gameplay and the scout (or the heavy) is still the better killer.

Please don't propose a bonus if you don't use the weapon suit combination. As for the current bonus of the Cal it is crap, you're right about that

I wish we could have all 3 characters with passive skill... I'd SO have a Gal Commando with a Duvolle.

eh. any other kind of weapon bonus on cal assault would be too OP. it has enough range and enough DPS.

maybe a bonus for damage to shields?

Yeah, that'd be fair since projectiles already get -5% to shields. Give Cal Assault a +1% hybrid rail damage to shields per level.

its more a problem with the gun than the bonus on both suits. the combat rifle and scrambler rifle outshine the rail and AR.

You're right but you're also wrong. There's an art to those weapons.

RR kills heavies and armor tankers at a safe distance, as well as low eHP suits like Logis.

AR is a scout killer. I've noticed since the buff, scouts fear me. It also performs well against Caldari suits.

People are just saying ScR is FOTM because first of all, all the Caldari and Minmatar humpers are getting their panties in a knot over it. You can just get more up close and personal with CR and ScR. Doesn't mean you'll have an easy time with heavies, or engaging at long range with CR and short range with ScR in general. Each weapon has its niche.

not really in competitive play. there just better overall. the scrambler rifle is a scout killer and the combat rifle is the best all around gun with range CQC damage to and kind of suit. that why i feel the caldari and gallente are poor suits because of the guns that go with them. if a slap a combat rifle on my caldari assault in PC it is just a better combo hands down. i should never have to think of useing a gun out my race on a assault suit because assaults are ment to use the races gun otherwise why use a assault.

Then Amarr and (maybe min) get buff no special treatment. I feel that my Am assault bonus isn't applying at level 2

It is because we like to be on the objective not sit back and miss half the match.. I can't stand not rushing points.

Ishukone Assault Rail/SR-10 Bolt Pistol, Allotek flux grenades.. I vary the modules depending if I want speed or endurance
But that weapon combo makes it a good suit for taking objectives from the enemy and going toe-2-toe with the enemy

I agree unless you run into a hmg or shotgun then you'll die before you're spool is done.. And switching to a Magsec like wtf kind of combo is that (I have tried) and I hate it you're at a huge disadvantage when pushing objectives. I go CBR and a Magsec (only sidearm I have skilled) I love cal assault but hate their weapons.

If anything, the bonuses should be swapped

Caldari should get the kick reduction if they don't get spool reduction.

It is because we like to be on the objective not sit back and miss half the match.. I can't stand not rushing points.

I sure do. From level 1 to 2, i feel a huge difference. Try using a different suit with the same weapon.

Ok i will BTW how bout uyou get what ever buff you guys want and Amarr gets less seize time aswell

I don't understand the problem.. I have all assaults proto and clearly Amarr and Min have good bonuses. So why shouldn't the other 2 get good bonuses instead of some half assed bs that's not even useful?

not sure what the fuss is all about, got the caldari assault on my alt and mini on my main.

although the caldari suit itself does not have great bonuses the regen both time and amount is enough to make me get hard.

how can you not love 433 sheilds with a 3.1 second recharge delay and 52 sheild rep per second on a basic suit? and it just gets better and better per teir. the suit itself is considerably better than the mini assault but the bonus is not as good.

havent used the gallente assault for a long time but having that passive rep imo is a big deal - and from reading the forums quite a few people like the bonus as is is.

if everyone is crying for better bonuses.

i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari.

i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal?

I specced Ck.0 Assault, along with profiency in Rail Rifles and Bolt Pistols... For the reload bonus
Good regen and fast reloads make it a fun combat suit and it gives you the abilty to keep enemies pinned down.

CCP i'm used to my gear being screwed over by you, but I specced the Ck.0 as a safe option (so I thought)
Yet numerous mercs complain about the bonus which IS awesome for the Rail-Tech weaponry ..
I'm wondering why the hate for the Cal bonus? is it because too many love their CR Cal Assault fits??

I'm all for running suits whichever way you choose... but c'mon ...
It is a Caldari Suit perfectly positioned to use a Caldari weapon.. working as intended ???

Srry i was trying to be greedy

Just my two isk, but Caldari needs those shield bonuses back. It just fits perfectly. The RR bonus is forgettable. Cal players need those shield bonuses out in the field. A reload bonus isn't something to moonwalk to.

I also think logi bonuses should be tied to the equipment and not the suit. So Caldari nanohives should be better and Amarr uplinks should be better even if the player changes suits/dies. I mean, If I lay proxy mines they don't disappear when I switch suits and the whole reason CCP claimed that they nerfed equipment and changed logi bonuses was to make logi's as good with equipment as pre equipment nerf so why can't logi equipment keep their bonus across suits?

Minmitar have the better dual tanking capability then the gallente and Caldari who are pretty much exclusively one or the other. You will feel differently when running a gallente and you get wiped out by armor profile weapons or Caldari when a charged ScR wipes out your only line of defense. If you are dual tanking Caldari instead of putting on regulators then you are using an inferior e/hp buffer suit with slow movement. Amarr and Minmitar just do dual tanking better, which is working as intended if you ask me. The trade off between Amarr and Minmitar is that Amarr have dat high e/hp but abysmal recharge and slow movement.

I used to run minmitar before 1.8, and since hotfix charlie's assault fix Minmitar assault got much better. Try not reducing your minmitar movement speed too much while abusing the higher low slot count then Caldari or slapping on a regulator and rechargers. Your goal as minmitar should be to move fast from cover to cover and flank enemies. If I could switch back to minmitar since the heavy and assault rebalance in charlie I would be running minmitar again. They are far better than they were pre-charlie. Speed is king on Winmitar.

not sure what the fuss is all about, got the caldari assault on my alt and mini on my main.

although the caldari suit itself does not have great bonuses the regen both time and amount is enough to make me get hard.

how can you not love 433 sheilds with a 3.1 second recharge delay and 52 sheild rep per second on a basic suit? and it just gets better and better per teir. the suit itself is considerably better than the mini assault but the bonus is not as good.

havent used the gallente assault for a long time but having that passive rep imo is a big deal - and from reading the forums quite a few people like the bonus as is is.

No, that's insane. Imagine getting proto stomped by red dots surrounding a supply depot that's got 3 and 6 second uplinks, nanohives that rep 100 armor a second and supply two clips' worth of ammo in one pulse, heavies getting OP minmatar reps AND OP gallente scans

and nanohives at 100 armor a second... what? I didn't say buff the equipment... I said make it to where the equipment bonus that does exist applies to the equipment and not the suit, so that if they die/switch it out their nanohive and uplink bonus stays. This wouldn't do **** to gallente scanners or minmitar reps, what are you on about?

on my alt i play caldari assault and yes i know scramblers are horrid for a pure shield tank, but on the balance of things its a great suit for getting back into the action fully healed ASAP. aslo not dual tanking the suit means you can keep a reasonable speed aswell.

when fitted the mini suit has considerably slower regen both rate and start time but similar speed and EHP this is why i consider it a inferior suit. yes the bonus is better but overall it is inferior. my worry is people always want their suit to be OP and cry until it happens not considering the pro's and cons of the rest of them and just looking at the stand out stat i.e a few more ammo per clip which really is not the blessing most people assume 95% of the time. If you look at the sugestions about how to buff the suits on this post or previous posts you will see that many are simply going to be OP such as extra sheilds per level or reduced movement on the RR when shooting which has the potential to make a strong weapon a ridiculous weapon when combined with the caldari assault.

i disagree with you two **** talking the rail rifle. I understand you like using guns that are easy mode.

but on the bridge map PC we just had against 1up they may or may not have been using rail rifles (i dont remember) but if they were thats probably why our heavy squad got slaughtered after we got lagged out of the city and spawned home point, because it would've been a much better idea than a CR

You guys need to realize that I'm an Amarr Sentinel and Gal Logi. Rail rifles scare the **** out of me because they chew me up and spit me out when my shields are down. Not everyone is shield tanking, no dropsuit is invincible.

This kind of sizing up everything to a golden standard is why no one lets people snipe in PC anymore even though they could easily be useful in something like a bridge map or to hold an outside point.

I'm sorry but for me the time of "everything but THIS in Dust is UP" has ended because this game is dying and you know what I'm going to squeeze as much fun out of it as I can. **** PC matches they're a joke.

oh i thought it was only when you switch between logis. i use gallente so it doesnt apply to me.

and yes caldari triage hives do just under 100 armor per second instead of 70

I suggested efficiencies for modules based on each suits version of assault. That's why I'm trying to steer it away from weapons as there won't really be a useful rail rifle bonus that matches say the overheating bonus of Amarr without making the RR OP. The shield extender bonus I don't agree with but I think a shield energizer/recharger bonus would work well on Caldari. Like I said my suggestions were already made in the thread.

As to the Caldari being better at dual tanking I simply don't agree. If you stack armor on the Caldari and ignore shield regulators your shields are going to recharge once in a blue moon defeating the purpose of having such a set up. On the other hand Minmitar can more easily balance both their shields and armor better than the Caldari as far as regen goes, because a Caldari with poor regen and lots of e/hp is just an inferior Amarr suit.

I can tell pretty easily that the Minmitar is a better dual tanker because my Caldari adv suit runs like this:

503 shields
197 armor
Total 700

Pro: Very quick regen
Con: Shield profiled weapons wreck this suit.

My Minmitar Neo Assault I have a few suits on that's only STD not even adv:

371 shields
356 Armor
Total 727 with a pretty even split

Pros: Even split on damage profiles, it moves slightly faster (5.04 speed as opposed to 5.00 on my Caldari), has more e/hp and it isn't even adv minmitar.
Cons: Slightly less shield regen (It has the base 25 regen as opposed to my Cal assaults 40 regen with its shield recharger)

The minmitar assaults used to be a lot worse by comparison but post charlie they have become much better. Remember although a Caldari can get a high e/hp it has to sacrifice all its regen potential to get that slightly higher e/hp while the Minmitar will have a much smaller penalty in comparison.

You have to consider all the pros and cons when building a suit, that regen on an Extender stacked Cal is useless without a good regulator taking up what little low slots you have, and no armor rep in my opinion is always a bad idea unless you're carrying a triage/compact nanohive, which keeps you from carrying an ammo nanohive with far more ammo resupply.

Edit: Also keep in mind the adv minmitar if fitted with a regulator it will have fast regen like my cal assault while if they drop an extender for an enhanced shield energizer they can end up with 37.5 shield regen compared to my 40 while taking a less hefty shield penalty for the energizer since they have a lower shield total then my Caldari. If built right and in my opinion, the Minmitar makes a far better balanced dual tank assault then the Caldari.

LOL heavys on the bridge map is just bad tactics. if corps actually did something so weird like put a slow squad on the bridge map then i guess my rail rifle would shine but sadly people don't do such a thing because they are trying to win.

Gallente should be the kings of Assault Rifles, and possibly Plasma cannons. Best idea I've heard is a bonus to rate of fire.

Caldari... I don't know, spool up time reduction? I don't use RR or anything.

But I know that for both of these, the current racial weapon skill is USELESS.